Not being perm resident/citizen and applying

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I've heard this can only hurt you if you're applying for fin aid.
I go to college in the U.S

Otherwise it won't make any impact on admissions will it?

My parents work in the U.S ... I've been living here for 6 years... I guess you could call me an "International" applicant
 
most schools only consider applicantions from american citizens/perm. residents

double check with their websites

Being international definitely limits the number of schools you can apply to, but with good stats, you still have a decent shot (apply early!)
 
most schools only consider applicantions from american citizens/perm. residents

double check with their websites

Being international definitely limits the number of schools you can apply to, but with good stats, you still have a decent shot (apply early!)

are you serious... jeez.. had no idea you couldn't even apply to some
 
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are you canadian? b/c sometimes Canadians are considered differently than International students (some schools like SUNY upstate ..and OHSU (i think).. welcome Canadian applicants as well!)
 
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are you canadian? b/c sometimes Canadians are considered differently than International students (some schools like SUNY upstate ..and OHSU (i think).. welcome Canadian applicants as well!)

nah I'm not
 
Since I went to high school in the U.S as well... a college (columbia) rejected me b/c I had applied for financial aid.

This time, when applying to med schools, I was planning to take out student loans instead.. hoping that it wouldn't hurt me. My father's a physician here.. I have a weird visa/status ... but for college, I was considered to be "International" even though I had been living here for a while.
 
Since I went to high school in the U.S as well... a college (columbia) rejected me b/c I had applied for financial aid.

This time, when applying to med schools, I was planning to take out student loans instead.. hoping that it wouldn't hurt me. My father's a physician here.. I have a weird visa/status ... but for college, I was considered to be "International" even though I had been living here for a while.

How long until your dad gets green card status? I'm a green card holder, and its only because of that, that I am eligible everywhere in the states. In fact, most of the schools I applied to required me to submit proof of my green card status. Alot of schools will only consider green card holders or citizens, and those that will consider international students only have a limited number of seats available to them.

What you should do, however, is send proof of your time in the united states, and a separate letter indicating your family's visa status, and your intentions to remain in the US and eventually gain permanent residency.
 
Sorry man, don't bother wasting your money applying. Only a handful of schools might look at you. Just apply to those.
And when it comes to this s#$% either you have perm. res./citizenship or your letter explaining your situation/intentions is not worth anything.
 
Sorry man, don't bother wasting your money applying. Only a handful of schools might look at you. Just apply to those.
And when it comes to this s#$% either you have perm. res./citizenship or your letter explaining your situation/intentions is not worth anything.

From reading around, many medical schools are reluctant to accept non perm residents due to doubts about whether they can afford medical school.

If proof is shown that all monetary fees will be taken care of, will it still be a problem?
 
Sorry man, don't bother wasting your money applying. Only a handful of schools might look at you. Just apply to those.
And when it comes to this s#$% either you have perm. res./citizenship or your letter explaining your situation/intentions is not worth anything.

I don't know if I totally agree. Yes it is very difficult but not totally imposible.

I applied last year as an international student, no green card/ citizenship. If you have good grades and a good MCAT score, you have a chance. However, so many people have good grades and MCAT scores so the only way to have a great chance is to totaly distinguish yourself in ECs. Be an outstanding researcher, leader, commuity service, whatever you like to do. win some awards, have your letter writers say incredible things about you, etc. This is the best way to rise above the competition IMO, especially if you are considered international.

Yes financial Aid is tough as hell if you are international. Had I had a green card last year, I would have gotten a lot more aid. One finaid director told me that herself. I was luckier than most coz the few internationals that get in usually have to borrow the entire amount.

Research your schools well so you dont waste money applying to schools that won't accept you. I was very successful last year. won't elaborate unless someone is bored and wants to know. My grades and MCAT were good but not spectacular. My ECs and letters were

Like I said, its really hard but not impossible. From my experience, a 3.5, 30 MCAT with outstanding ECs with a couple of awards and amazing LORs will get you much much further that a 3.8, 35 MCAT with average ECs and LORs. The latter will probably get you an acceptance somewhere, the former will make you a top 10 school (usnews) candidate.

Remember that if you are considered international, you can't just go to your state school You don't have one officially, unless you live in texas, and most state schools won't accept your application. Your best bet are private schools. Also, If you want any form of financial aid at all as an international student, top 20 (usnews) schools are your best bet so I will tailor my application towards these if I were you. That means that research is more important to you than the average US applicant. Even better if you are very good at it and have some awards/ presentations etc to back it up. Don't know any international students that have gotten in without research.

Finally, the most important factor if you are considered international. I said MOST important, that is, from my experience. APPLY EARLY. I mean have all secondaries sent before August 1st of the application year. July is even better. Notice I said secondaries, not primary. That should be sent the very first day. You will greatly improve your chances.

Once again, difficult but not impossible. Sorry for the long post. You probably didnt want all that but oh well, Best of luck!👍
 
I think you need to investigate how you'll pay for medical school as well. A person on SDN last year who was into wayne state couldn't go because they couldn't afford it.

Most US students take loans out based on a Federal Stafford loan. I'm pretty sure US citizenship is a requirement for this. These loans, if I remember correctly, covered up to about $40,000 or so (Anything beyond this, we were told at a financial information meeting, needs to be met via private loans, financial aid, or scholarships). What was nice about the government loans is that you could defer their payment past residency, which is necessary, because as a first year resident you wouldn't be making much more than $35-40,000. I strongly suggest you investigate how international students pay for medical schools (school really only give out only so much financial aid).
 
I think you need to investigate how you'll pay for medical school as well. A person on SDN last year who was into wayne state couldn't go because they couldn't afford it.

Most US students take loans out based on a Federal Stafford loan. I'm pretty sure US citizenship is a requirement for this. These loans, if I remember correctly, covered up to about $40,000 or so (Anything beyond this, we were told at a financial information meeting, needs to be met via private loans, financial aid, or scholarships). What was nice about the government loans is that you could defer their payment past residency, which is necessary, because as a first year resident you wouldn't be making much more than $35-40,000. I strongly suggest you investigate how international students pay for medical schools (school really only give out only so much financial aid).
Actually, you must be either a US citizen or "eligible noncitizen", which is pretty much being a permanent resident.
 
Actually, you must be either a US citizen or "eligible noncitizen", which is pretty much being a permanent resident.

that's good. this non-citizen must've not wanted to go to Wayne State because OOS tuition and costs would require quite a bit of those non-government loans. It's still pretty serious to figure out if you're an "eligible non-citizen", though, so I'd investigate.
 
Well I'm under a h4 dependant visa

according to our lawyer though, I am not considered to be an international student. She said that it was simply false.
She said that it shouldn't be a problem at all.

I'm still going to investigate/call schools and find out though.
 
From wikipedia's description of H4, it seems like most schools will not consider you an eligible non-citizen. Do you have a social security number? have you ever gotten a job before? I believe H4s do not have SS#. In terms of loans, non-immigrants are not allowed to take federal loans and schools expect you to put the full 4 yr amount of tution in escrow before matriculation, thats a lot of $$
 
I have a weird visa/status ... but for college, I was considered to be "International" even though I had been living here for a while.

I agree with the above advice. I think what matters is if you're a US citizen/permanent resident/green card holder, or at least have a special visa status (i.e. you have a Social Security number, etc.).

Best to check with the individual schools.
 
I do NOT have a SS number yet. But from talking to our immigration lawyer, she said I had nothing to worry about when applying to medical schools. I am NOT considered to be an international student according to her.

My father is eligible to take out federal loans.
 
Do a search for my previous posts. There have been many discussions on this forum over the years on this subject and i promise, you will find all the answers you need. Just do the search.
 
what visa are you on? and do you have your visa number (green card number)?
 
H4...hahhaha. Sucks for you. How do i know? because i am on the same visa..H4

Have you applied for I-485? Has your I-140 been approved? Have you applied for ead?

Unless you have the physical card in your hand, most school will consider you a international student. I say most because some school will consider you a local if you have a visa number (green card number) while they process your app. If you were to get accepted then you have to show them the card (assuming you get it by matriculation).

I have been battling this issue for a long time now too, i have been here for over 5 years. I have been looking into it all. The whole ssn is only a small portion of your concern, you need to get your visa number so you can adjust your status.

Be careful, some immigration attorneys are useless. They don't know what they are doing sometimes!

if you want to know more about this stuff pm me..

H4 is a rare visa to be in school and most poeple are on student visas. This is a huge problem because poeple don't know much about the h4 visa and it becomes hard to find poeple to ask advice/know more about it...
 
I have heard of international students being required to pay all four years of tuition at the beginning. I don't know how common this is, but it might be something to ask schools about if raising 160-200 thousand dollars is a problem for you.
 
I've heard this can only hurt you if you're applying for fin aid.
I go to college in the U.S

Otherwise it won't make any impact on admissions will it?

My parents work in the U.S ... I've been living here for 6 years... I guess you could call me an "International" applicant
I have a different type of visa and it allows me to stay in US indefinitely. However, I still do not have a Green Card yet(I-485 already filed - 4 years ago - processing - they have a huge backlog). But I have a SSN, valid EAD, I-94 and a state Driver's license. I have been getting state aid and federal aid for the last three years. I go to a State university and at first they were so adamant, they refused to accept me as a state resident. It is only after the USCIS notice, they reluctantly accepted me. It is a painstaking fight to prove your eligibilty. Now again pleading with the Medical schools. Anyway...good luck to you🙂. Are you applying for 2008 cycle ?.
 
I'm a junior right now... I'm applying this summer.. thing is my parents are eligible to take out loans. We have done it in the past. The funding isn't the issue for us. I even went to high school here in the U.S. There's a chance we might get the greencard before I apply. I'm crossing my fingers... but we'll see.

The details of my visa and number... etc.. I'm not too sure of. My parents purposely try and not tell me so I don't worry about it and so that I can concentrate on school + MCATs.

I just know that we WERE scheduled to obtain the greencard this month.. but there was a backlog.. and so it went back. We're doing a separate "special circumstance" slot thing for now... it's a fast process. They will either approve/disapprove of it by February. We're backing on that. If approved, I get the greencard... if not, I wait in line. Something like that.
 
I am a permanent resident and green card holder, and I will be a citizen in a couple of years. I want to know - Is their ANY difference between a citizen or permanent resident/green card holder when it comes to applying to medical school? Are permanent residents at any disadvantage?
 
I am a permanent resident and green card holder, and I will be a citizen in a couple of years. I want to know - Is their ANY difference between a citizen or permanent resident/green card holder when it comes to applying to medical school? Are permanent residents at any disadvantage?
No
 
They will either approve/disapprove of it by February. We're backing on that. If approved, I get the greencard... if not, I wait in line. Something like that.

sounds like consular processing! That would mean that you already have your green card number which is a good thing.
 
I am a permanent resident and green card holder, and I will be a citizen in a couple of years. I want to know - Is their ANY difference between a citizen or permanent resident/green card holder when it comes to applying to medical school? Are permanent residents at any disadvantage?

being a pr is just as good as being a citizen regarding med school apps.
 
I am a permanent resident and green card holder, and I will be a citizen in a couple of years. I want to know - Is their ANY difference between a citizen or permanent resident/green card holder when it comes to applying to medical school? Are permanent residents at any disadvantage?
None whatsoever - unless it's the Mayo Clinic.
 
None whatsoever - unless it's the Mayo Clinic.
Is there a list compiled of which American med schools accept Canadian residents without green cards? I'm interested in this as well.
 
I am in the same boat with the H4 visa. Just that I've been here 7 years and I recently got my EAD and SSN (finally...). The backlogging was really too bad, it sucks. I still don't have my permanent residency though, and god knows when that'll come 🙁 I'm also a junior and planning to apply this summer, I really hope I'll get my green card before then.... Otherwise, yeah, I'll be an "international" student though I went to 4 years of high school here and all of my undergraduate work here 👎... and yeah, that means I'll have a very limited number of shcools I can even apply to...
 
I am in the same boat with the H4 visa. Just that I've been here 7 years and I recently got my EAD and SSN (finally...). The backlogging was really too bad, it sucks. I still don't have my permanent residency though, and god knows when that'll come 🙁 I'm also a junior and planning to apply this summer, I really hope I'll get my green card before then.... Otherwise, yeah, I'll be an "international" student though I went to 4 years of high school here and all of my undergraduate work here 👎... and yeah, that means I'll have a very limited number of shcools I can even apply to...

yeah.. let's hope for the best... but does anyone have a list of these schools?
 
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