Not good enough for MD going DO

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I apologize I did not mean to suggest that DOs are inferior to MDs though from everyone posts it seems that is obviously what I did. I am concerned with the problem of the prospects for DOs being inferior to MDs in terms of match and influential positions.

Your title can be read as offensive to some and may give other pre-meds the wrong idea. I am willing to bet that your GPA/MCAT will not even be in the 90th, maybe even 80th percentile of your D.O. class this fall. There will be many people in your class who are more "qualified" than you. No need to worry about underselling yourself or "settling."

As far as influential positions... did you know there is a D.O. in the U.S. Congress?
Yeah, Rep. Joe Heck, DO (R-NV) is a PCOM grad and EM doctor.

If you didn't want to infer DOs aren't up to par with MDs, you should have titled your thread differently. Should you decide to matriculate, rest assured you will have plenty of classmates that said no to MD acceptances.

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I don't think preventative med/mph is shut out to DOs.

These programs are most certainly "DO-friendly."
 
Thanks for answering for me :/ I am going to go to DO school, and I will appreciate that I was given the opportunity. The problem I am having is that I honestly have no idea where my career in medicine is going to go. There are countless issues that I want to tackle and have yet to decide the one that I am going to dedicate my life to. The DO students and physicians I have talked to have all admitted that there are some "closed" doors to DO's though this may change in the near future, that is the reality of the situation currently. It is the thought of falling in love with a cause and then not being able to fully effect change because other people are looking at the letters after my name.

I think when a lot of people say, "Why did you even bother to apply to DO's if you didn't want to go", many people don't understand that a lot of people didn't really do their research until midway through the application cycle (including me) as applying to 25+ schools is pretty overwhelming in itself. It wasn't until I started reading more sdn and researching match lists and visions of schools while doing secondaries AFTER i submitted my primary application that I noticed how certain schools (both MD and DO) had certain emphases gor example, primary care, research, international focus... and that just gives you a different vibe if that school will provide you the flexibility and opportunities for your goals. When I shadowed DO and MD physicians, I literally saw no difference between them or in their competency, hence it made sense to apply to DO schools as well.

I can sort of see where the OP is coming from, in fact I shared a lot of his concerns. As an individual who applied to both MD and DO schools this cycle, my mentors began to tell me that though both paths will make you a doctor, going to a DO school will be a tad bit harder in gaining favor in specializing or landing a tough residency due to the stigma (though I understand no doors are obviously closed if you work hard for it). Now I very much appreciate the DO philosophy and the holistic treatment (in fact coming from working in a primary care office, I believe these are basic fundamentals to become any good physician, MD or DO), but coming from a big research institution and working in that primary care office during my gap year, I saw my vision for medicine shift (basically, my goals for pursuing medicine became much more ambitious....eg. instead of maintaining an individual's diabetes or heart disease as a PCP, I wanted to somehow advance medical research as I personally dealt with the deaths of patients I have grown close with) that I foresee that it may change drastically during medical school as well. I think it is a very valid concern for the OP to really analyze if going to a specific school may be more beneficial to one's goals and it may probably be smart to really research the school to see if it's worth trying for again (not necessarily MD vs DO, as there are certainly MD schools out there that have similar philosophies that prioritize being a great clinician, and MD schools that focus on more academic/research-oriented physicians). Then again it is a gamble to really pursue you think you want because then again, nothing's guaranteed, it's just up to you to sacrifice another year to reapply and risk starting your medical career a year late). If the OP really believes he might have an interest in many specialties (maybe a specialty with residency programs heavily biased toward MD's), then it'll probably be worth the gamble to perhaps consider go to a school that will offer greater flexibility.

....but I think for anyone who genuinely wants to be a doctor as badly as they say, then I'd say answer is clear when you look at the big picture:

When deciding between schools for me, its not necessarily MD vs DO that is important, but rather whether the school would be conducive toward being able to help me achieve my goals in medicine, regardless of the degree it offers, and it just happened that a lot of the schools I was interested in (in research and certain opportunities) happened to be MD. But in the end, these little preferences pale to the bigger picture, that any of these schools will make you a doctor. If there's any assurance for the OP, I have come to peace with whatever scenario I end up in, because I personally believe everything happens for a reason, and I want to be a physician. Like the above poster said, just because you have an interest in this specialty or a certain goal, does not mean you'll end up in achieving it--you may very well go to a top MD school, and do poorly on step 1 and bam that's it, and then you'll probably wish you took that DO acceptance instead of starting that MD school a year late. I'm sure there are many people out there that wanted to go to a certain specialty, but did poorly on their step 1....but you don't see them complain to the point it hinders their career. They just suck it up, and take what they get, even if it means going to a different specialty. Similarly, this MD vs DO struggle you have may represent that first obstacle in your medical career, maybe the first of many struggles you will face. Thus I think it's important to consider how far you've come, and maybe consider to just take what you have and move on with your career and not look back. For me personally, if I get accepted to one school over another, then I'll take it as a sign that my calling is to go to that school and see where it'll take me, and not complain no matter what my concerns were about the school before, because ultimately being a physician is more important than specializing, research, doing international work, etc (and remember, no doors are closed even though they may seem like it).If you enter medicine into the right reasons, then everything else will fall into place, and there is really nothing to worry about regardless of what school you go to. Remember the big picture!

Please excuse the grammar, I was a bit rushed in writing this.
 
Your title can be read as offensive to some and may give other pre-meds the wrong idea. I am willing to bet that your GPA/MCAT will not even be in the 90th, maybe even 80th percentile of your D.O. class this fall. There will be many people in your class who are more "qualified" than you. No need to worry about underselling yourself or "settling."

As far as influential positions... did you know there is a D.O. in the U.S. Congress?
Yeah, Rep. Joe Heck, DO (R-NV) is a PCOM grad and EM doctor.



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These programs are most certainly "DO-friendly."

I agree should've used a different title 🙁

What about matching in to a general surgery residency? Though I can see myself doing primary care in the future, should I find that I enjoy this field it seems that very few top DO schools match people in to these programs - is this more of a result of people entering DO school because they want to become PCPs or because of bias against DOs?
 
I think when a lot of people say, "Why did you even bother to apply to DO's if you didn't want to go", many people don't understand that a lot of people didn't really do their research until midway through the application cycle (including me) as applying to 25+ schools is pretty overwhelming in itself. It wasn't until I started reading more sdn and researching match lists and visions of schools while doing secondaries AFTER i submitted my primary application that I noticed how certain schools (both MD and DO) had certain emphases gor example, primary care, research, international focus... and that just gives you a different vibe if that school will provide you the flexibility and opportunities for your goals. When I shadowed DO and MD physicians, I literally saw no difference between them or in their competency, hence it made sense to apply to DO schools as well.

I can sort of see where the OP is coming from, in fact I shared a lot of his concerns. As an individual who applied to both MD and DO schools this cycle, my mentors began to tell me that though both paths will make you a doctor, going to a DO school will be a tad bit harder in gaining favor in specializing or landing a tough residency due to the stigma (though I understand no doors are obviously closed if you work hard for it). Now I very much appreciate the DO philosophy and the holistic treatment (in fact coming from working in a primary care office, I believe these are basic fundamentals to become any good physician, MD or DO), but coming from a big research institution and working in that primary care office during my gap year, I saw my vision for medicine shift (basically, my goals for pursuing medicine became much more ambitious....eg. instead of maintaining an individual's diabetes or heart disease as a PCP, I wanted to somehow advance medical research as I personally dealt with the deaths of patients I have grown close with) that I foresee that it may change drastically during medical school as well. I think it is a very valid concern for the OP to really analyze if going to a specific school may be more beneficial to one's goals and it may probably be smart to really research the school to see if it's worth trying for again (not necessarily MD vs DO, as there are certainly MD schools out there that have similar philosophies that prioritize being a great clinician, and MD schools that focus on more academic/research-oriented physicians). Then again it is a gamble to really pursue you think you want because then again, nothing's guaranteed, it's just up to you to sacrifice another year to reapply and risk starting your medical career a year late). If the OP really believes he might have an interest in many specialties (maybe a specialty with residency programs heavily biased toward MD's), then it'll probably be worth the gamble to perhaps consider go to a school that will offer greater flexibility.

....but I think for anyone who genuinely wants to be a doctor as badly as they say, then I'd say answer is clear when you look at the big picture:

When deciding between schools for me, its not necessarily MD vs DO that is important, but rather whether the school would be conducive toward being able to help me achieve my goals in medicine, regardless of the degree it offers, and it just happened that a lot of the schools I was interested in (in research and certain opportunities) happened to be MD. But in the end, these little preferences pale to the bigger picture, that any of these schools will make you a doctor. If there's any assurance for the OP, I have come to peace with whatever scenario I end up in, because I personally believe everything happens for a reason, and I want to be a physician. Like the above poster said, just because you have an interest in this specialty or a certain goal, does not mean you'll end up in achieving it--you may very well go to a top MD school, and do poorly on step 1 and bam that's it, and then you'll probably wish you took that DO acceptance instead of starting that MD school a year late. I'm sure there are many people out there that wanted to go to a certain specialty, but did poorly on their step 1....but you don't see them complain to the point it hinders their career. They just suck it up, and take what they get, even if it means going to a different specialty. Similarly, this MD vs DO struggle you have may represent that first obstacle in your medical career, maybe the first of many struggles you will face. Thus I think it's important to consider how far you've come, and maybe consider to just take what you have and move on with your career and not look back. For me personally, if I get accepted to one school over another, then I'll take it as a sign that my calling is to go to that school and see where it'll take me, and not complain no matter what my concerns were about the school before, because ultimately being a physician is more important than specializing, research, doing international work, etc (and remember, no doors are closed even though they may seem like it).If you enter medicine into the right reasons, then everything else will fall into place, and there is really nothing to worry about regardless of what school you go to. Remember the big picture!

Please excuse the grammar, I was a bit rushed in writing this.

THANK YOU, this is exactly what I have gotten out of everyone's posts summarized in a very articulate manner!
 
I agree should've used a different title 🙁

What about matching in to a general surgery residency? Though I can see myself doing primary care in the future, should I find that I enjoy this field it seems that very few top DO schools match people in to these programs - is this more of a result of people entering DO school because they want to become PCPs or because of bias against DOs?

Gen surg is a pretty "DO friendly" field, even on the ACGME side. Not the easiest, by any means, but it's not uncommon for DOs to match into MD surg. There are also plenty of AOA surgery positions.

As for the second part of your question, yes many DO students go into school intending on going into primary care (and the majority do end up in those residencies). Whether that's the main cause of match results vs. MD schools...well, at that point you're just playing with statistics and can manipulate them to say what you want.
 
Judging solely from your posts in this thread, I do not think you should enroll into an osteopathic medical school. I am not convinced that you are 'appreciative' of your acceptance. This is important to notice for yourself because when you start medical school - whether it be in a DO or MD program - you need to be in a place where you are not only happy but also 'pumped up' in order to do well. In your current state of mind, you are setting yourself up for disaster once school starts. Reapply next cycle...just my advice.
This. Take this advise, maybe someone more assertive about their abilities will take that spot.
 
Have you actually "applied" yet? Look, things are getting worse every year in terms of competitiveness. If you think its somehow "easy" to garner an acceptance to medical school (osteopathic or allopathic), you're delusional. Somehow on SDN, people always make it seem that getting accepted to a DO school is a walk in the park with a 27 on the MCAT- nope its not. I thought the same thing based off these notions until i went through the process myself.. as i am doing right now. Let me tell you, there are just as many intelligent people (30+ mcat) interviewing at the "inferior" DO schools as there are at MD schools. There was a guy with a 38 at my last DO interview. The only reason i can imagine that DO schools STILL have lower than 30 mcat averages (its reaching 30 ever more quickly) is that they deliberately choose candidates that have 28-29 MCATs over 30+. This means that you shouldn't let a schools average scores somehow keep you from wanting to attend it.

If osteopathic schools historically accepted students with higher GPA/MCATs than MD schools, i guarantee that the DO degree would be more "prestigious" today- they just haven't done so. Now its time for you to evaluate the big picture. You are correct in saying that there are specialties that you will not be able to likely obtain as a DO student (Derm, Plastics, NS) come to mind... but come on. Be realistic with yourself. Are you intelligent enough to even be competitive for those programs as an MD student? Possibly, but probably not. If you were, you would have been a shoe in at MD. Theres nothing humiliating or wrong about this. You'll simply settle for something in between that you're both competitive for and interested in- and guess what? You'll be able to get it from a DO school too. Interested in Anesthesiology? Sure. Surgery? Sure.

So at the end of the day, i decided for myself that even with my 35 on the MCAT which i thought was a complete saving grace, i've become humbled by the admissions process and seen what i really care about and want in life. To be a doctor. So decide this for yourself too. You can spend more years of your life re-applying, wasting more money, being depressed- or you can start learning medicine
 
I've become humbled by the admissions process and seen what i really care about and want in life. To be a doctor. So decide this for yourself too. You can spend more years of your life re-applying, wasting more money, being depressed- or you can start learning medicine

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you people need to grow some thicker skin if some ignorant pre-med was capable of putting your panties in this much of a bunch.
 
well i'd have to say that i'm in a very similar situation as you are ArtOfWar...i've been given MD interviews, no acceptances yet with similar stats as you, and given multiple DO acceptances. i used to ask myself the same questions all the time "will going to a DO school hold me back from my full potential and keep me out of the top MD residency programs?" or even "will going to a DO school prevent me from working at "premiere" hospitals?" so i understand what you're saying. the main reason i was so uncertain about going DO was because i am interested in surgery and would like to go to a very reputable MD surgical residency. the ugly truth about going DO is that you're chances of getting into a competitive MD residency does decrease significantly and there is no hiding this fact. it's just the way it is. why does a DO with phenomenal USMLE scores get overlooked by highly competitive MD residencies? the main answer is because they have a DO next to their name. now there a lot of great MD residencies who accept DO students every year, but if you're looking at getting into a highly competitive MD residency, hate to say it, but you're chances aren't too good. but after doing countless hours of research on this topic i have come to a pretty indisputable conclusion and that's this: the medical school you attend isn't going to make or break you as a physician (MD or DO). sure going DO may have some extra challenges with getting a highly competitive MD residency, or getting that job at John Hopkins, but how good of a physician you will be and your reputation amongst other physicians is all on YOU. if you get the high COMLEX/USMLE scores YOU WILL be going to a very solid and reputable residency program (as long as you're not a weirdo at the interviews) that will teach you everything you need to know to be a great physician. therefore, the name you make for yourself as a physician will be based on your performance as a physician and this is 100% all on YOU (MD or DO). sure there may be some top research hospitals that may not want you because of your DO title but at the same time they turn down 99% of other MD's that apply to work there as well. i believe you'll find out that going DO (if you decide to do so) won't hold you back at all from fulfilling your dreams of becoming a great physician, no matter the specialty. trust me on this because i have a 3.77 sGPA with 33 MCAT, looking at going into general surgery, and strongly considering going DO over MD even if i receive an acceptance within the next few months from an MD program because i love the DO schools i've been accepted to so much more that the MD programs i've been to and i'm not worried at all with the "possible" limitations of being a DO instead of an MD. good luck to you
 
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