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i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4


Wow I cant believe you didnt get an acceptance based on your stats. Less than stellar no doubt, but competitive for DO if you have good EC's and LORs..
 
also surprised..my stats are comparable..and i got accepted somewhere.but i was complete a month or 2 before you...that could have made the difference
 
I applied last year with similar stats (24T, 3.4) and hit the big fat nothing as well. I also, as it happens, completed my applications in November. I re-applied this year and was accepted before Thanksgiving. Here's what I changed.

1)I had already graduated undergrad, so obviously my GPA was basically set in stone (unless I wanted to do a post-bacc, which I absolutely did NOT). I didn't have time to add to my extracurriculars because the end of one application cycle basically runs right into the beginning of the other. The only number available to me to change, as I saw it, was my MCAT score. I traveled to Europe over the summer and retook the MCAT in August, using EXAMKRACKERS and AUDIO OSMOSIS. I ended up with
VR-11
PS-11
BS-8
P

2)I had all of my letters of rec, and AACOMAS finished by mid-July, and got my first secondary filled out and sent (via Priority Mail 2-3 days) in the beginning of August. All my secondaries were sent in and completed by the beginning of September, and I had my first interview September 20th (Touro NV). My second interview came November 2nd(Touro CA), and I was accepted by November 18th. Consequently, this date coincides with the exact date the previous year that AACOMAS mailed out my application. Obviously I was critically late last year! Also, at the Touro-California interview, they had already given out over half of their seats!

Obviously there is a learning curve to applying, and I didn't pick up on it until the second round. I could have saved myself a lot of money, ulcers and time by simply applying early. I'm not sure if my first MCAT would have been strong enough to get in the first time if I had applied earlier, but I guess we'll never know. My advice is to apply the VERY FIRST DAY that you can next year, if you don't get in this year.

Sadly, this late in the cycle, most if not all of the schools are going to become very selective about who to interview/accept, and that means taking applications from off the top(meaning high GPAs and MCATs). You could call the schools and see what's going on, but my guess is that you'll get the standard line they tell everyone who's already been rejected, but the rejection letter hasn't been generated yet: "Your file is under review, and a decision regarding your status has not been made."

Apply REALLY early in June (which, actually, is sort of coming up). Start pestering your recommenders for new letters of rec, take the April MCAT (Believe me, you'll have plenty of time to get ready), and make sure all your applications are complete by August at the latest. Good luck!
 
apply to more schools and do not forget LECOM - Erie. I think you will have good chance there.
 
dIvErDoC said:
Wow I cant believe you didnt get an acceptance based on your stats. Less than stellar no doubt, but competitive for DO if you have good EC's and LORs..

I don't feel that a 23 MCAT is "competitive" for DO medical school, especially with a just average GPA. The average MCAT for most schools until today is 25/26 which means an MCAT score around that average is competitive. It also seems that this year there are more applicants so the competition is getting fierce.
 
Nate said:
I don't feel that a 23 MCAT is "competitive" for DO medical school, especially with a just average GPA. The average MCAT for most schools until today is 25/26 which means an MCAT score around that average is competitive. It also seems that this year there are more applicants so the competition is getting fierce.

Well maybe "competetive" isnt the proper term, thats opinion based really. But I personally feel that they should have had more than 1 interview with that score... Do an MD applicants search with those stats and theres a page full. so....? again like i said before it might come down to EC's and LORs to make ^ standout
 
dIvErDoC said:
Well maybe "competetive" isnt the proper term, thats opinion based really. But I personally feel that they should have had more than 1 interview with that score... Do an MD applicants search with those stats and theres a page full. so....? again like i said before it might come down to EC's and LORs to make ^ standout

You are right these are our opinions but pardon me for saying so, MD applicants is full of crap. People can and do enter anything they want into that. Sure, people get in with low numbers but usually one stat makes up for the other or they are just very lucky or “know someone”. I think the best advice for the OP is to retake the MCAT, good luck.
 
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Nate said:
You are right these are our opinions but pardon me for saying so, MD applicants is full of crap. People can and do enter anything they want into that. Sure, people get in with low numbers but usually one stat makes up for the other or they are just very lucky or “know someone”. I think the best advice for the OP is to retake the MCAT, good luck.


I agree with Nate. OP, you should start preparing for a retake and just wait on those schools that you still need to hear from. That way you'll be prepared for anything and everything. Do you have good LORs, extracurrics and experiences? Sometimes a not so great MCAT score may be offset by an excellent LOR.

Good luck! 😛
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4
If you don't get in this year, make sure you get your AACOMAS application in the first day it opens. It makes a HUGE difference.
 
Nate said:
I don't feel that a 23 MCAT is "competitive" for DO medical school, especially with a just average GPA. The average MCAT for most schools until today is 25/26 which means an MCAT score around that average is competitive. It also seems that this year there are more applicants so the competition is getting fierce.


I agree, I think it depends on a lot of different factors. I got in with a 22Q but, a 3.92 GPA. Also, if you look at the OP, they had some interviews. Thus, they may need a little work selling themselves at the interview. I had a hell of a time convincing the adcoms that a 22 MCAT would not hold me back. While I have been accepted to all but one school I interviewed at, the OP my have run into this problem and not faired so well. To the OP then, a low MCAT and/or GPA is only as low as you sell it. You need to make them realize you are more than a group of numbers. If you would like help, pm me and I will try as best I can. 👍
 
oh dear that sucks...so basically i should be ready for a pile of rejection letters come march...🙁
 
Mz.Doctor said:
oh dear that sucks...so basically i should be ready for a pile of rejection letters come march...🙁

It isn't over until it's over but you should definitely be prepared for the worse that can happen and that means really concentrating on retaking the MCAT. This is the hardest part of becoming a doctor, getting into medical school so try your best and don't give up.
 
Apply right away to vcom,pscom,wsvom and unecom.
 
why? are they easy to get into?
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4


Since in two out of three of the schools that you got rejections from happened after your interview, I would say that your main problem would be with your interview skills. Your application isn't exactly "early", but people have gotten acceptances with their apps completed even later then that. If the problem was with your GPA and MCAT, than they wouldn't have given you an interview in the first place. Do some research and ask your pre-medical advisor for help in interview, it might help you out.
 
I would humbly agree with the above poster. How did you feel about your interviews? Did you feel reasonably confident going in? It might be time to step back and critically analyze how you're presenting yourself in the interview - dress, atitude, answers to questions, motivation, everything. I found this site had some helpful info about the interview from the interviewers perspective - especially some information about what not to say/do.

http://www.thealo.com/maloblog/index.asp?ci=8&s=category

Personally, I think the question "why do you want to be a DO?" is pretty important. My interviewers seemed impressed when I talked about my experiences with osteopathic medicine, the history of the profession, how I learned about osteopathic medicine, what I want to do with it in the future, how I see DOs as being different than MDs, etc.

I talked to one student who told me that when they ask why you want to be a DO to "throw the word holistic in a buch. They love that". I recommend not taking this advice.
 
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Duchess said:
Since in two out of three of the schools that you got rejections from happened after your interview, I would say that your main problem would be with your interview skills. Your application isn't exactly "early", but people have gotten acceptances with their apps completed even later then that. If the problem was with your GPA and MCAT, than they wouldn't have given you an interview in the first place. Do some research and ask your pre-medical advisor for help in interview, it might help you out.


I would agree with this comment. The GPA/MCAT combination gets your foot into the door (interview) and the rest is up to you to make you stand out. I don't think your stats are the problem. Applying earlier could have helped a lot but since you didn't you will have to sit back and wait to hear from the others. You will probably be getting some more interviews soon based on your stats.
 
i know my pcom interview went awful, they asked questions such as why did u get a C in bio chem, and how will u change ur study habits and i was quite confused.
but lecom-fl i was relaxed confident, and i really thought i'd at least get waitlisted...maybe i smiled too much, they kept asking me how i deal with conflict with other people and what I would do if i had a problem with someone, i told them i'd talk to the person and i would change some of my actions to work with the pbl groups ppl and i told them i'm the type of person who gets along with everyone and i smiled alot...
they also asked me what i do to relieve stress and i said watch tv and they were like what shows, i was like sex and the city and the lady started laughing and the other interviewer was like now lets not get off topic now...i thought they liked me oh well...any other interview tips would be helpful 🙂
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4

Hey, I don't know if that gpa is your cum/science or what, but my stats are not much different from yours (just a lil higher mcat/gpa) and I just got an interview from UNECOM today! I also didn't complete my secondary till end of november, and I had one LOR missing till early last week (blah!). Hang in there, an interview isn't an acceptance, but I wouldn't say you are out of the game!!! Good Luck 🙂
 
They look at the whole person and not so much at mcat. good luck1
 
thanks...i've been drowning myself in selfpity and i feel a little better now, i also am applying to touro/west virginia lecom in pen and oklahoma...🙂
 
unecom said my application is still on review...and they have everything hhhmm...how did u get the interview invite?
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4


I think that there might be 2 big things that you could improve next year if you are not accepted this year. First is your personal statement. Obviously I havent read it, but the lack of interviews most likely reflects something you have written either in your PS or your secondary apps.. or both. One of my good friends was in the same situation the last 2 years. She is applying only allo with a 3.8, 33 MCAT She only had a couple of interviews and no acceptances. Our state school told her that her PS was not good and she should change it. She changed it this year and applied in December. She has had one acceptance already, and has an interview at a couple of the top ranked public schools next week. My advice is to try to improve it. Maybe get some help from 4 or 5 different sources that know a little something about personal statements.
The second thing you can improve has already been mentioned: Interview skills. True, some people are just not good at interviews, but you can improve. Practice with a friend and just try to be relaxed during your interview. Osteo schools are looking more for someone who is compassionate and has good social skills.

Raising your MCAT is something you can consider, but I really think that the 2 things I have mentioned can trump a below avg. MCAT.

Good luck
 
Mz.Doctor said:
unecom said my application is still on review...and they have everything hhhmm...how did u get the interview invite?

E-mail. The subject line was something like 'Invitation to Interview at UNECOM on X date', which is nice because then you don't get your hopes up only for it to be a generic e-mail to all the applicants, hehe. Also, I am not sure what your ECs or LORs are like. As someone said previously, schools like UNE look at the whole person, not just the scores. Good Luck, there is still time! 🙂
 
thanks...i went ahead and applied to touro/wvcom/oklahoma, but if i dont hear nething this week from the other schools i'll just assume i'm getting rejected...why raise ur hopes for no reason...and then next week i can drown in self pity on the fact that i have to go to ross...
 
Mz.Doctor said:
thanks...i went ahead and applied to touro/wvcom/oklahoma, but if i dont hear nething this week from the other schools i'll just assume i'm getting rejected...why raise ur hopes for no reason...and then next week i can drown in self pity on the fact that i have to go to ross...


Hey. Suck it up and drive on. Furthermore, do not direct your fear and hostility toward Ross, because it is very insulting to those who actually go/work/instruct there. 👎

I empathize with your suffering due to the situation that you are in, but do not give up. I have only one interview at this point scheduled for March, and I realize that I may not get in this cycle, but should my worst-case scenario occur, I will just strengthen my profile and try again next year.

If you want it bad enough, you will NOT fail.

Respectfully,
Gray Hooper

PS: 3.28GPA/3.2 Science, 26P mcat (10V/9PS/7BS)
 
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Mz.Doctor said:
thanks...i went ahead and applied to touro/wvcom/oklahoma, but if i dont hear nething this week from the other schools i'll just assume i'm getting rejected...why raise ur hopes for no reason...and then next week i can drown in self pity on the fact that i have to go to ross...


No news is not necessarily bad news. You should never assume a rejection. The worst thing that could happen would be for you to not get in anywhere this cycle, and that isn't such a horrible situation...just apply again. You won't be the first medical student, nor the last, to have done so. Keep your chin up, and if you don't get in anywhere, work on strengthening your application and interview skills for the next round.
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i know my pcom interview went awful, they asked questions such as why did u get a C in bio chem, and how will u change ur study habits and i was quite confused.
but lecom-fl i was relaxed confident, and i really thought i'd at least get waitlisted...maybe i smiled too much, they kept asking me how i deal with conflict with other people and what I would do if i had a problem with someone, i told them i'd talk to the person and i would change some of my actions to work with the pbl groups ppl and i told them i'm the type of person who gets along with everyone and i smiled alot...
they also asked me what i do to relieve stress and i said watch tv and they were like what shows, i was like sex and the city and the lady started laughing and the other interviewer was like now lets not get off topic now...i thought they liked me oh well...any other interview tips would be helpful 🙂


I think that saying you watch TV to relieve stress is probably not the best move (despite the fact that it's probably true for 99% of us, including myself...it adds nothing of interest and makes you sound lazy and boring...not saying that you are, because I watch waaaaayyy to much to...but still, it doesn't sound good). I'm not saying to lie, but think of some things you do (maybe not all that often) that sound more "cultured" eg, sports, outdoorsie things, cooking, hobbies, crafts, music etc. Also, if you are going to say you watch tv, I'd stick with the evening news (not sex and the city). I'm a 24 and American Idol addict but I just wouldn't bring that up in an interview.
 
Mz.Doctor said:
i applied to kirksville-rejected
pcom-ga-interview/rejected
lecomfl-interview rejected
nsu-hear nothing
msucom-nothing
nycom-nothing
new england-nothing
new jersey-nothing
chicago-nothing
pcom-pa-nothing

i completed applications end of nov. does this mean that these schools are g oing to flat out reject me
mcat-23
gpa3.4

First of all, don't give up hope just yet.

For example, PCOM, I'm told can be one of those schools that likes to wait wait wait and wait before they tell you if your in or not.

If you don't get in this year, try again next year. And retake the MCATs like what some of the others have said.

People have gotten in with a 23 before. They tend to be folks with very strong and verifiable extra curricular activities like the Peace Corp etc. Or the community service freaks at my school's student center.

But even if you are not one of those people, you can still get in. It's not the end of the world.

And to what I understand, with ACCOMAS you can selectively send only the MCAT scores you want the schools to see. (But I could be wrong on that)




Also apply early early early! You should have things all complete at most of the schools you are appying to by late September at the latest.

Best of luck and God Speed,

C&C
 
thanks, i haven't heard nething from pcom yet bc they supposedly never received my 2ndary(which was sent early nov.) and then they "found" it last week...i was like ok weird, and they only found it after i called pcom to see what was up, or else iwould have never known it was "lost".
i hate waiting, but thanks for ur support...i just want to get in somewhere, this year, i really dont feel like waiting a year...
 
You have to let them know you are passionate about medicine. My story: I applied to 3 schools, Baylor, OSU, and OU. I've had no contact with Baylor since they accepted my secondary. I have good stats for both OSU and OU, but not for Baylor so that rejection isn't a surprise. My first interview was at OU in early December. I thought the interview went great, but there was a critical turning point that led to my rejection. When asked what my plans would be outside of medicine, I replied PhD in genetics. They then asked me to expound on why and I did. Then I was asked why not apply MD/PhD, I stumbled a little because I wasn't prepared for it. I said while I had thought of it in the past (#1 big mistake, but true) I didn't want to be that long in school (#2 big mistake, makes them question my commitment to the long process of school and residency) in addition to not really being qualified to apply for it (#3 big mistake, I have no research background but my answer makes them question my confidence in myself). OSU same sequence of questions again, but this time I was prepared. Same answer about a higher degree in genetics, and they came right back with why not a DO/PhD (which OSU is one of the few schools to offer), and I said that the PhD is secondary and would only come after med school was no longer an option. To be a doctor was my passion and I wanted to become a doc as soon as possible. That was the right answer and thankfully, I'm going to be an OSU DO.
 
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