not reporting an F - bad move ?

[prone2xl]

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ok - I have a friend who I met while taking pre-reqs. great guy and also another non-trad so we help each other out with encouragement, motivation, etc. anyways, he recently took Organic Chem II at another school b/c the one at our comm. college was cancelled. Long story short, he didn't do well and will make an F in the course b/c he didn't drop in time. I asked if he would plan to retake it and he said yes, and he will just not request the transcript for that school when he applies and has to enter all grades.

My question is, is this allowed ? will it come to bite him in the end ? etc...
I'd hate to see him get screwed over something like this, but it's also an ethical issue I feel as well. I tend to be very careful and document everything, b/c this is a long path and any screwup along the way I feel could cost you later.
anyways, thoughts please.......

thanks

 

[whoknows2012]

You must provide all transcripts of ANY college you attended and completed courses, be it community or otherwise. Could your friend apply and specifically not request the transcript from that school? Sure, but it is not advised, and could very well come back and hurt him. If he should get into a Medical School and they found out that he didn't provide all transcripts, that is usually grounds for dismissal so I'd be very careful about this if I were him...

 

[mspeedwagon]

Let me introduce you to the National Student Clearinghouse: http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/dvev/default.htm.

If a social security number was provided to the school, then you can pull up every college that you have ever taken a class in. Medical schools don't really rely on student reporting (they verify everything). For example, they make you enter every class you took and than verify it against submitted transcripts and with schools.

If he chooses not to report, there is a small chance he will get away with it. But, even if he does and a school finds out after accepting him, they will withdraw his admission or, worse, dismiss him after he has started. More likely than not, they will know about the omission (I'm sure people have tried it before).

Further, if he signs and submits the AMCAS, he is committing fraud by acknowledging the accuracy of information submitted to the best of his knowledge. Let's just say that applicants with a history of fraud do not tend to get into medical school.

Similar to cheating on an exam, there is a chance that he won't be caught, but if he does, the punishment is pretty severe.

ok - I have a friend who I met while taking pre-reqs. great guy and also another non-trad so we help each other out with encouragement, motivation, etc. anyways, he recently took Organic Chem II at another school b/c the one at our comm. college was cancelled. Long story short, he didn't do well and will make an F in the course b/c he didn't drop in time. I asked if he would plan to retake it and he said yes, and he will just not request the transcript for that school when he applies and has to enter all grades.

My question is, is this allowed ? will it come to bite him in the end ? etc...
I'd hate to see him get screwed over something like this, but it's also an ethical issue I feel as well. I tend to be very careful and document everything, b/c this is a long path and any screwup along the way I feel could cost you later.
anyways, thoughts please.......

thanks

 

[sideways]

Subtle.

You ever do something wrong in your life where you sit worried you'll get caught? Every knock on the door, every ring of the phone, send shivers up your spine.

Let's pretend you get away with it and get into med school. Care to take any guesses on how long it'll take for that cloud of fear of discovery to clear from your mind?

Hint: imagine you're in your 4th year of medical school and you get an e-mail from your dean saying (s)he'd like to speak with you.

 

[red10]

Subtle.

You ever do something wrong in your life where you sit worried you'll get caught? Every knock on the door, every ring of the phone, send shivers up your spine.

Let's pretend you get away with it and get into med school. Care to take any guesses on how long it'll take for that cloud of fear of discovery to clear from your mind?

Hint: imagine you're in your 4th year of medical school and you get an e-mail from your dean saying (s)he'd like to speak with you.

totally reminds me of the Tell Tale Heart. haha

 

[GeneCoDoctor86]

You need to tell your friend that they need to provide a transcript from every school they attended, no matter how bad the grades were in the school. If they do not and admissions finds out later that your friend attended a school they did not provide a transcript for, it will come back and bite him in the behind. Its better to be honest and bare all then hide something and later be found out.

 

[prone2xl]

yeah I figured there was a way to pull a social report that's good info thanks.
obviously it's a bad move I feel and hope that he does the right thing, but I have a feeling it's not gonna happen. this is the only course this person has taken at the school and he said if anything came up that he would say that he was auditing the class and there must have been a mistake in the way it was recorded. he also said he would use the documentation of trying to enroll in the other school and they were full as proof that he had tried taking it elsewhere - at any rate it's wrong

gotta always hate that feeling though of always wondering if it's gonna come up.

 

[VOP]

you're uh "friend" would be in some hot doo doo. So don't do it eh i mean tell your friend not to do it.

 

[sideways]

he said if anything came up that he would say that he was auditing the class and there must have been a mistake in the way it was recorded. he also said he would use the documentation of trying to enroll in the other school and they were full as proof that he had tried taking it elsewhere

Oh yeaaaah, that'll fly. Because they've never heard of such elite levels of creativity.

Your friend will still get kicked out because he didn't report that he "audited" the class. You have to send transcripts for EVERYTHING. Even if you didn't get any grade at all. Your friend would be SOL.

Get it?

 

[prone2xl]

VOP I would never even think to do something that would jeopardize my future. Once my professor accidentally switched his and my lab books in a Bio lab and as soon as I discovered it I drove back to the school and he wasn't there, started calling his home number, emailed, etc just to make sure that he got back his book and that I would be in no way accused of taking something like that. I'm as careful as it comes to stuff like that

 

[shiftingmirage]

I thought there was a thread (maybe in allo or osteo) about a 3rd year that got dismissed because it was later discovered he/she lied on his/her app.

But lying on the app is grounds for dismissal and withdrawal of an acceptance.

 

[trustwomen]

I have heard of schools withdrawing a granted MD when the person was found to have been fraudulently admitted - and when the MD is withdrawn, there goes the license too.
Best to simply be honest.
Not sure they would go that far for one class with an F - the fraud above was larger - but still, that's some scary stuff.

 

[amygdaloideum]

You need to report ALL grades on ALL your transcripts.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

the audit crap will never work because why else would he take ochem II. ochem is not one of those classes you take to learn more on it because it interests you. nobody takes ochem that doesn't need it in some way. med schools know that. there is no way he will get away with that.

and my guess is that a school isn't going to question it. if you enrolled in ANY classes at a given college, and you don't report it, it is lying. there are a few mods on this site that sit on adcoms and have watched numerous times when students get kicked out of their 3rd and 4th year of medical school because of stuff like this. it is one thing to try to get away with cheating on a test, but it is another thing to get caught and thrown out with $200k debt. the F is going to look bad, yes, but that is the dumbest move he could possibly do.

 

[flip26]

Tell your "friend" it is pro move.

 

[Elpenor]

naah man it's cool they don't even check

i just put down my **** as all A+'s n ****

don't forget bout saving babies in Africa, and make sure to lie about volunteer hours too👍

 

[da8s0859q]

ok - I have a friend who I met while taking pre-reqs. ... long story short, he didn't do well and will make an F in the course b/c he didn't drop in time. I asked if he would plan to retake it and he said yes, and he will just not request the transcript for that school when he applies and has to enter all grades.

"Your friend" is out of his mind. I'm not saying that people never get away with pulling the wool over medical school admissions' eyes -- I'm sure it's happened -- but it is the minority. Playing the odds on that one makes you an idiot.

 

[mspeedwagon]

You're welcome. Just for background (as to how I know about the service), my college checks enrollment of accepted students to verify their enrollment at their high school and to make sure that every aspect of the application is accurate as they presented. They also check to see if students took college classes and did not include them on their application (they request that student forward transcripts from all institutions).

If a college goes out of their way to make sure a high school student represented their application accurately, you can only imagine the extent a medical school would go to (there is much more at stake for a med student).

yeah I figured there was a way to pull a social report that's good info thanks.

 

[aho]

so when including all grades do you have to include the grades from classes you took as a non-degree seeking student too?

 

[mspeedwagon]

Yes. Every grade for a class you have ever taken (after high school).

so when including all grades do you have to include the grades from classes you took as a non-degree seeking student too?

 

[aho]

But if I took college classes as a HS senior would I have to include that on the amcas?

 

[mspeedwagon]

I believe so. You should re-post that question as another thread to make sure you get an accurate answer. I do believe that AMCAS policy states all classes ever taken at the college level. So that would include college classes taken in high school.

But if I took college classes as a HS senior would I have to include that on the amcas?

 

[da8s0859q]

But if I took college classes as a HS senior would I have to include that on the amcas?

I had to for the TMDSAS. Would imagine that AMCAS is the same, but I'm not sure.

 

[aho]

Thanks for the answers! Now i guess i will really have to buckle down to make up for those horrible grades I thought I'd never have to see again lol.