Nothing But Mammals

[Kitra101]

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So, lets say you were a ped and your 14 year old patient uses the defense that it is ok for him/her to be having sex because they are nothing but mammals...do you advise them that the song was right and it is ok, tell them to just use protection or make the absurd claim that we are not mammals and that people and other mammals do not share an evolutionary history because evolution is a fraud made up by lost souls?

Seriously, I watched a show once that seriously made the claim that dinosaur fossils are planted by disbelievers....

 

[pseudoknot]

You smoke marijuana, right?

 

[jbrice1639]

...so let's do it like they do on the discovery channel...

amazing, i never knew this song was about sex...i always thought they just wanted to go on trading spaces and redecorate each others' living rooms...

🙄

 

[GiantGiantsFan]

Well, as the patient's pediatrician, I'm not sure if I would be justified in giving her moral advice. That is her parent's job. In terms of health advice, I would surely urge her to use protection.

But if she did ask me for moral advice, then I would tell her that I believe we are separate from mammals, for we have souls and a higher level of consciousness, that other mammals do not have. So, no, I don't believe she should have sex based on the grounds that "we are all mammals."

 

[SitraAchra]

You would honestly tell a patient of yours that humans have souls? I thought docs worked in the physical world.

 

[jbrice1639]

Well, as the patient's pediatrician, I'm not sure if I would be justified in giving her moral advice. That is her parent's job. In terms of health advice, I would surely urge her to use protection.

But if she did ask me for moral advice, then I would tell her that I believe we are separate from mammals, for we have souls and a higher level of consciousness, that other mammals do not have. So, no, I don't believe she should have sex based on the grounds that "we are all mammals."

wait...the rest of mammals don't have souls?! Are you saying...there...is...no...doggie heaven?!

 

[Its_MurDAH]

So, lets say you were a ped and your 14 year old patient uses the defense that it is ok for him/her to be having sex because they are nothing but mammals...do you advise them that the song was right and it is ok, tell them to just use protection or make the absurd claim that we are not mammals and that people and other mammals do not share an evolutionary history because evolution is a fraud made up by lost souls?

Seriously, I watched a show once that seriously made the claim that dinosaur fossils are planted by disbelievers....

puff, puff, GIVE muthaf*cka
👍

 

[gujuDoc]

...so let's do it like they do on the discovery channel...

amazing, i never knew this song was about sex...i always thought they just wanted to go on trading spaces and redecorate each others' living rooms...

🙄

hahahhaha. Great minds think alike. When I read the title of this thread, that song was the very first thing that popped into my head.

 

[Gas0line Ali]

Do people seriously still listen to that song? (in a valley girl voice) :That song is so five years ago.

 

[redclover]

I'd explain that we are different from other mammals b/c of the unique evolutionary history of our brain. When we evolved on the plains of Africa into hunting machines our mental development raced ahead while our reproductive development lagged behind. Thus reproductively we are mature at 12, but mentally, not until the early 20's.

 

[gujuDoc]

Do people seriously still listen to that song? (in a valley girl voice) :That song is so five years ago.

Well my brother literally has 1000's of songs downloaded and Bloodhound gang's album is one of them. So I've heard it on his computer a few times when I've gone home. I actually kinda like it, even though it is dirty.

 

[Hoberto]

I thought of the They Might Be Giants tune, Mammals. I dig that song.

Oddly, I didn't think of the other song until jbrice's post.

 

[GiantGiantsFan]

This thread has 11 responses in 40 minutes? Damn, you people are horny. Well, I guess I should include myself too.

 

[Gas0line Ali]

It's not that I dislike the song or anything (for the record, I neither love it or hate it), but as soon as they stopped playing the song everywhere, I forgot about it.

Oh, and if some kid wants to engage in relations, IMHO, they need to use a more recent song to back up their arguments. (Remember: one of the rules in having a valid argument, is using a valid, reliable up-to-date source, not a 5-year old song that existed before the SARS scare) And, if I were a pediatrician, I'd probably refer the patient to discuss the issue with a gyno or any commendable physician that deals with sex-related issues on a regular basis, if she wanted professional (as opposed to moral) advice or guidance.

Well my brother literally has 1000's of songs downloaded and Bloodhound gang's album is one of them. So I've heard it on his computer a few times when I've gone home. I actually kinda like it, even though it is dirty.

 

[gujuDoc]

It's not that I dislike the song or anything (for the record, I neither love it or hate it), but as soon as they stopped playing the song everywhere, I forgot about it.

Oh, and if some kid wants to engage in relations, IMHO, they need to use a more recent song to back up their arguments. (Remember: one of the rules in having a valid argument, is using a valid, reliable up-to-date source, not a 5-year old song that existed before the SARS scare) And, if I were a pediatrician, I'd probably refer the patient to discuss the issue with a gyno or any commendable physician that deals with sex-related issues on a regular basis, if she wanted professional (as opposed to moral) advice or guidance.

I suppose I should get back to topic........Yes the original patient should go talk with a gynecologist.

 

[greendot]

what's a mammal?

 

[nightowl]

mammals apparently have sex even if it's not in their best interest. 🙄

 

[nebrfan]

One of us might lose his hair
But you're reminded that it once was there
From the embryonic whale to the monkey with no tail
So the warm blood flows
with the red blood cells lacking nuclei
Through the large four-chambered heart
Maintaining the very high metabolism rate they have

Placental the sister of her brother Marsupial
Their cousin called Monotreme
Dead uncle Allotheria

Mammal, mammal
Their names are called
They raise a paw
The bat, the cat
Dolphin and dog
Koala bear and hog

Wow - I haven't listened to TMBGs since high school....

 

[Kitra101]

More people reply to this post...it is great.

Personally, I think you should tell the person that it is not nice to place things into categories.... well, really to assign any word that may describe that being because there is not one word that can actually represent anyone...i mean, look at what people said about me.... pothead? Just because I talk philosophy or maybe make joke posts and laugh at how seriously someone may answer it...? Well, lets say for argument sake that I do smoke pot.... but what if I drink excessively too? Describing me as a pothead leaves out my raging alcoholism and therefore does not really tell the world who I am. What if I make outrageous claims like I invented the question mark - or Microsoft - or bill gates? Who would take me seriously? Now, if someone else, like al gore, makes a factual claim like he invented the internet, that would be taken seriously..right? I mean, he is president still today right? Anyway, I guess my point is that if I were a vampire and had to ingest blood for sustenance, I think I would not attack humans because it is just not nice...I may resort to small rodents or soy products - but definitely not human blood.

This post is hot damnit!

 

[tigress]

Oh, and if some kid wants to engage in relations, IMHO, they need to use a more recent song to back up their arguments. (Remember: one of the rules in having a valid argument, is using a valid, reliable up-to-date source, not a 5-year old song that existed before the SARS scare) And, if I were a pediatrician, I'd probably refer the patient to discuss the issue with a gyno or any commendable physician that deals with sex-related issues on a regular basis, if she wanted professional (as opposed to moral) advice or guidance.

Out of curiosity, what does having sex have to do with SARS?

 

[Kitra101]

Out of curiosity, what does having sex have to do with SARS?

SARS you ask? I think the answer to this is obvious madam.

 

[Flopotomist]

...so let's do it like they do on the discovery channel...

amazing, i never knew this song was about sex...i always thought they just wanted to go on trading spaces and redecorate each others' living rooms...

🙄

OK.. you just made me piss off the roommates when I woke them up with a loud chortle.

 

[Flopotomist]

I suppose I should get back to topic........Yes the original patient should go talk with a gynecologist.

Hmmm.. a bit sexist to assume that the patient talking about sex is a female, no? (or are you referring male pts to gyn?)

 

[mastamark]

Well, as the patient's pediatrician, I'm not sure if I would be justified in giving her moral advice. That is her parent's job. In terms of health advice, I would surely urge her to use protection.

But if she did ask me for moral advice, then I would tell her that I believe we are separate from mammals, for we have souls and a higher level of consciousness, that other mammals do not have. So, no, I don't believe she should have sex based on the grounds that "we are all mammals."

Ha. You know what I find funny? That us humans, with our larger cerebral cortex, and so called souls tend to behave in ways that are even lower than the animals. A lion(the meanest SOB in the Jungle) for example will not kill antelope or whatever prey there is at that moment unless it is starving. Lions will lie in a field full of prey and not lift one paw outside of hunger and neccessity. In contrast us with our "humanity", will shoot a deer and mount it's head on the wall for sport, and murder cows, pigs, chickens and so on because it is yummy. Of course we only do it 'cuz "it's yummy" because we can survive on fruits, vegetable, legumes, and seeds. Hmmm, If only lions could eat corn. Where is the humanity? 😕

 

[gujuDoc]

Hmmm.. a bit sexist to assume that the patient talking about sex is a female, no? (or are you referring male pts to gyn?)

Whoa there. Who are you to accuse me of being sexist?? I didn't notice that they said him/her. I'm sorry. Next time I should look at that more carefully, but there is no reason you have to be calling me sexist. Also, if you read, you'd have seen the poster above mine said something about gynecologist, and that's where I got that idea from.

I was just agreeing with someone else's post, not creating any new ideas.

So BACK OFF and DON'T FALSELY ACCUSE ME of things that I AM NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Avalanche21]

Ok, I was really starting to wonder what was wrong with the OP until I realized that "ped" was pediatrician and not pedophile 😳

 

[redclover]

Ha. You know what I find funny? That us humans, with our larger cerebral cortex, and so called souls tend to behave in ways that are even lower than the animals. A lion(the meanest SOB in the Jungle) for example will not kill antelope or whatever prey there is at that moment unless it is starving. Lions will lie in a field full of prey and not lift one paw outside of hunger and neccessity. In contrast us with our "humanity", will shoot a deer and mount it's head on the wall for sport, and murder cows, pigs, chickens and so on because it is yummy. Of course we only do it 'cuz "it's yummy" because we can survive on fruits, vegetable, legumes, and seeds. Hmmm, If only lions could eat corn. Where is the humanity? 😕

FYI, a male lion that take over another male lion's pride will KILL all the baby cubs from the previous lion that the lioness may have.

Lions and tigers, when fed and cannot hunt in zoos, attack humans. The instinct to hunt is separate from the instinct to eat. Humans are built to hunt also. And while we can survive without meat, we evolved to incorporate meat in our diet, not because its "yummy", its in our genes.

 

[Reimat]

More people reply to this post...it is great.

Personally, I think you should tell the person that it is not nice to place things into categories.... well, really to assign any word that may describe that being because there is not one word that can actually represent anyone...i mean, look at what people said about me.... pothead? Just because I talk philosophy or maybe make joke posts and laugh at how seriously someone may answer it...? Well, lets say for argument sake that I do smoke pot.... but what if I drink excessively too? Describing me as a pothead leaves out my raging alcoholism and therefore does not really tell the world who I am. What if I make outrageous claims like I invented the question mark - or Microsoft - or bill gates? Who would take me seriously? Now, if someone else, like al gore, makes a factual claim like he invented the internet, that would be taken seriously..right? I mean, he is president still today right? Anyway, I guess my point is that if I were a vampire and had to ingest blood for sustenance, I think I would not attack humans because it is just not nice...I may resort to small rodents or soy products - but definitely not human blood.

This post is hot damnit!

It's a good day to be crazy 😛

 

[tigress]

FYI, a male lion that take over another male lion's pride will KILL all the baby cubs from the previous lion that the lioness may have.

Lions and tigers, when fed and cannot hunt in zoos, attack humans. The instinct to hunt is separate from the instinct to eat. Humans are built to hunt also. And while we can survive without meat, we evolved to incorporate meat in our diet, not because its "yummy", its in our genes.

Yup, a lot of animals will kill for reasons other than hunger, including, apparently (we can't actually poll them) for fun. I wouldn't use this to argue that humans are "better" or "worse" than animals, or that we should or shouldn't eat meat. It's just a fact. But the argument above (that humans "behave in ways that are lower than animals") is simply not valid.

 

[tigress]

Whoa there. Who are you to accuse me of being sexist?? I didn't notice that they said him/her. I'm sorry. Next time I should look at that more carefully, but there is no reason you have to be calling me sexist. Also, if you read, you'd have seen the poster above mine said something about gynecologist, and that's where I got that idea from.

I was just agreeing with someone else's post, not creating any new ideas.

So BACK OFF and DON'T FALSELY ACCUSE ME of things that I AM NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guju, you don't have to be so defensive...he just pointed out that people started assuming this was a female patient. Also, he said this statement was a bit sexist, not that YOU are sexist. I actually agree with him. And I know that you aren't sexist.

 

[mastamark]

Yup, a lot of animals will kill for reasons other than hunger, including, apparently (we can't actually poll them) for fun. I wouldn't use this to argue that humans are "better" or "worse" than animals, or that we should or shouldn't eat meat. It's just a fact. But the argument above (that humans "behave in ways that are lower than animals") is simply not valid.

Sorry Im gonna have to disagree with the both of ya on this one, and I'm gonna put you on the spot as well. Name the animal species that kills for fun? Sound like the movie predator to me. If you do find an instance of this it is not typical behavior. Just as the "humans" that kill for fun such as Dahmer. And for the lions that kill the cubs of another pride is something totally different, to them it is out of some kind of neccessity not for fun(like the deer head hangers). These lions do this for the purpose of preventing an uprising. I also heard of stories of human women that have murdered and poisioned their own children. Also, it is not proven in any way that the reason we eat meat is in our genome, we are all scientist proof pah-leeze. I am constantly approached by idiots that claim, "I can't quit meat, I love ribs." Trust me people eat meat now not out of neccesity, not out of genetic predisposition, and not out of any other excuse one may pose; it's because of convenience and the greasy, full feeling they get. 🙄


Also, humans do behave in ways that are both above and below some animals. I however do believe that humans are not only capable of but should act in ways above the animals. One example is...Lust. Not many animals operate on this primal instinct, yet we do. Dogs only mate when it's time to procreate, so as with birds, and dolphins, and other creatures. A vast majority of humans screw for the simple pleasure of it. Pleasure is the reward for procreating, not the reason for it. When you seek the rewards without doing the work it's like stealing. All negetive things(such as stealing) all have consequences: AIDS and other STDs and unwanted pregancies. Now I don't follow this ideal that I am speaking of , but I do believe in it. Nothing good will yield bad results or vice versa.

 

[LJDHC05]

Mastamark,

Careful on the lust thing, there's a little too much anthropromorphism in your statements. Dolphins infact do have lots and lots of sex for no reason other than for having sex. And dont even get me started on your claim of AIDS as the scourge of human sexuality...it was a virus that jumped to humans from monkeys in Africa and it's transmitted in ways other than promiscuous sex like many other viruses (like eating monkeys).

As far as the meat eating thing goes, lets compare ourselves to baboons one of our nearest genetic relatives: they'll eat anything put in front of them, it just so happens that they live in trees where fruit is abundant, but in times of drought they'll eat a baby gazelle or two to survive (just saw it the other day on National Geographic channel...pretty gross stuff). Sure with the advent of the supermarket and agriculture (~6000 years old) fruits and veggies and grains are all over the place, but we come from a few (~40) million years of being hunter-gatherers. There is no gene for "eating meat" but there certainly are digestive enzymes for breaking down its high protein content (trypsin, etc) which are activated in our gut in response to your tummy being full. And look what happens to so many vegitarians when they start losing their hair and end up looking like skeletons with iron deficiencies. They're eating good food, but bad results are happening due to the lack of proper nutrition. Then again I know a pretty overweight vegitarian who has none of those problems and will probably die of a heart attack (he really likes butter/cream sauces). So I'm going to go eat a nice bowl of sea turtle soup and some veal cooked rare, while wearing a fur coat and sitting in my leather chair in my hunting themed den with the heads of endangered animals on the wall.

(J/K on the last sentence...I dont have a fur coat and I love animals as much as the next liberal tree-hugger)

But seriously there are more pressing issues on this earth than the plight of the baby chickens that will someday be in a bucket of KFC (MMMM). People are killing their family members for enough land to sustain their children in Sudan, China has all the environmental awareness of the American Industrial revolution in 1890 and there are hundreds of thousands of americans in Iraq trying to hold the country together that they destabilized in the first place.

 

[redclover]

Actually...the strong sexual pleasure that humans have probably evolved to solidify the relationship b/w the human male and female, to create a bond that will help them raise the children. Why do you think human females are constantly responsive, unlike other animals who have heat periods, even when she is pregnant/infertile????

Liek i said, zoo animals like tigers will kill not for food but because they have an instinct to hunt. humans do it for the same reason.

yes, we can control our programmed behavior to an extent, but its often detrimental when we do....ie when we stop eating meat and have all sorts of health problems....not saying we shouldn't though...but we need to be careful about it (ie play video games instead of going out on random shooting sprees, etc.)

 

[Kitra101]

bump...

 

[GiantGiantsFan]

mastamark, having heightened consciousness/awareness does not imply benevolence. The fact that humans kill for sport, or have sex using condoms, or feel compassion for nonrelatives, or appreciate artwork simply shows that they have likes and dislikes that aren't directly tied to their survival or gene propagation, much more so than any other animal. I would look at such things as evidence for humans having increased consciousness, not against it.

 

[mastamark]

Actually...the strong sexual pleasure that humans have probably evolved to solidify the relationship b/w the human male and female, to create a bond that will help them raise the children. Why do you think human females are constantly responsive, unlike other animals who have heat periods, even when she is pregnant/infertile????

Liek i said, zoo animals like tigers will kill not for food but because they have an instinct to hunt. humans do it for the same reason.

yes, we can control our programmed behavior to an extent, but its often detrimental when we do....ie when we stop eating meat and have all sorts of health problems....not saying we shouldn't though...but we need to be careful about it (ie play video games instead of going out on random shooting sprees, etc.)

I have been vegan for 3 years now. No health problems whatsoever, not even a cold. My cholesterol levels and CBC were all in normal ranges. As a matter of fact my bad cholesterol was awesomely low, while my good cholesterol was at its optimum level. So those that claim that they are sick or got sick after switching to vegetarian diets are just finding reasons to get back to the bacon. Or didn't do their research.

 

[mastamark]

mastamark, having heightened consciousness/awareness does not imply benevolence. The fact that humans kill for sport, or have sex using condoms, or feel compassion for nonrelatives, or appreciate artwork simply shows that they have likes and dislikes that aren't directly tied to their survival or gene propagation, much more so than any other animal. I would look at such things as evidence for humans having increased consciousness, not against it.

I totally agree with you on this. That was my argument. I am not putting humans above animals, since we all know about our more developed brains and conciousness. I think that we are capable of far greater things than the animals because of this; however we are also capable of things that are more immoral than them. I didn't say that our genes were responsible for killing animals, someone else did and I was just responding.

 

[mastamark]

Mastamark,

Careful on the lust thing, there's a little too much anthropromorphism in your statements. Dolphins infact do have lots and lots of sex for no reason other than for having sex. And dont even get me started on your claim of AIDS as the scourge of human sexuality...it was a virus that jumped to humans from monkeys in Africa and it's transmitted in ways other than promiscuous sex like many other viruses (like eating monkeys).

As far as the meat eating thing goes, lets compare ourselves to baboons one of our nearest genetic relatives: they'll eat anything put in front of them, it just so happens that they live in trees where fruit is abundant, but in times of drought they'll eat a baby gazelle or two to survive (just saw it the other day on National Geographic channel...pretty gross stuff). Sure with the advent of the supermarket and agriculture (~6000 years old) fruits and veggies and grains are all over the place, but we come from a few (~40) million years of being hunter-gatherers. There is no gene for "eating meat" but there certainly are digestive enzymes for breaking down its high protein content (trypsin, etc) which are activated in our gut in response to your tummy being full. And look what happens to so many vegitarians when they start losing their hair and end up looking like skeletons with iron deficiencies. They're eating good food, but bad results are happening due to the lack of proper nutrition. Then again I know a pretty overweight vegitarian who has none of those problems and will probably die of a heart attack (he really likes butter/cream sauces). So I'm going to go eat a nice bowl of sea turtle soup and some veal cooked rare, while wearing a fur coat and sitting in my leather chair in my hunting themed den with the heads of endangered animals on the wall.

(J/K on the last sentence...I dont have a fur coat and I love animals as much as the next liberal tree-hugger)

But seriously there are more pressing issues on this earth than the plight of the baby chickens that will someday be in a bucket of KFC (MMMM). People are killing their family members for enough land to sustain their children in Sudan, China has all the environmental awareness of the American Industrial revolution in 1890 and there are hundreds of thousands of americans in Iraq trying to hold the country together that they destabilized in the first place.

Again the monkey brain eating was done by humans once. Some tribes believed that these were delicacies, it wasn't for survival. Also the disease that was spread by eating monkey brains is known as Kuru(which was caused by prions). Aids is actually belived to be passed to humans through a tainted polio vaccine. I aggree with you on the plight of many of our human counterparts, my case is that humans do things that are below the animals and we suffer for this. Sure hyenas steal meat from lions when there not looking, but people will steal your whole livelyhood while pretending to be your friend, not to survive but to get more than they really need. Let's not jump on the instability on the middle east please, just over a century ago our own country was just as unstable. Not only riddled in civil war, but was a major player in the slave trade.

I know there is no gene for eating meat. My point exactly. I am sorry if I am all over the place. This is a pretty good subject and everyone brings up some good points. In my rbuttal I am having a hard time with each subject raised. 😳

 

[C.P. Jones]

Of course we only do it 'cuz "it's yummy" because we can survive on fruits, vegetable, legumes, and seeds. Hmmm, If only lions could eat corn. Where is the humanity? 😕

Too bad our canine teeth aren't there to chew on corn.

 

[Xian]

I'd explain that we are different from other mammals b/c of the unique evolutionary history of our brain. When we evolved on the plains of Africa into hunting machines our mental development raced ahead while our reproductive development lagged behind. Thus reproductively we are mature at 12, but mentally, not until the early 20's.

👍

Also I think because we are aware to the depth of romantic one to one love, which is expressed through sex, we should not have sex with people we don't love. When you do that you are making it something less than what it actually is to us. Other mammals only do it for the feeling and they, for the most part, don't fall in love the way we do.

Peace.

 

[Xian]

Trust me people eat meat now not out of neccesity, not out of genetic predisposition, and not out of any other excuse one may pose; it's because of convenience and the greasy, full feeling they get.

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Too bad our canine teeth aren't there to chew on corn.

But they can right? Since they are able to, why shouldn't they?

 

[Gas0line Ali]

Not to leave gujudoc hanging there, but he was just agreeing with what I said, without saying everything I said in my post:

"Oh, and if some kid wants to engage in relations, IMHO, they need to use a more recent song to back up their arguments. (Remember: one of the rules in having a valid argument, is using a valid, reliable up-to-date source, not a 5-year old song that existed before the SARS scare) And, if I were a pediatrician, I'd probably refer the patient to discuss the issue with a gyno or any commendable physician that deals with sex-related issues on a regular basis, if she wanted professional (as opposed to moral) advice or guidance."

My post was not intended to be sexist (hence why I added "or any commendable physician that deals with sex-related issues on a regular basis")If i knew the exact word for the male version of a gyno, I would have added the word as well. I just think if someone wanted professional advice, even though a pediatrician has the same basic med school training that would suffice like a gyno (or ahem, whomever a male would see...I honestly don't know what they're called 😕 ), it would make sense to send them to someone who spent their residency specializing in that area.


Just felt obligated to clear that up. 😀

guju, you don't have to be so defensive...he just pointed out that people started assuming this was a female patient. Also, he said this statement was a bit sexist, not that YOU are sexist. I actually agree with him. And I know that you aren't sexist.

 

[C.P. Jones]

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But they can right? Since they are able to, why shouldn't they?

you chew corn with your canines? I personally use my molars and tear meat with my canines as that is their purpose.

 

[Gas0line Ali]

Like, OMG! You mean to tell me that you don't know! <gasp!> 😱

Scandalous!! (j/k)

Out of curiosity, what does having sex have to do with SARS?

 

[C.P. Jones]

Name the animal species that kills for fun? Sound like the movie predator to me. If you do find an instance of this it is not typical behavior.

Cats kill mice and birds with no intention in eating them...and this is not atypical. And if you say that it is out of instinct, sure, but why not eat them.

Foxes kill many more hens then they could eat.

People say dogs, but this I won't agree with since if they kill someone or an animal it is most likely out of being terretorial.

The above does not mean that I love hunting or something, I still think it's dumb, especially when it's not done in a fashion to decrease pain to the animal (people using weapons such as bow and arrows, etc.).

 

[mastamark]

Too bad our canine teeth aren't there to chew on corn.

Canine teeth? It's an evolutionary leftover. That term is only to describe an anatomical similarity between species. Ostriches have wings yet can't fly, neither can penguins. Lions, tigers and bears oh my: these animals have special bactertia in their mouth that starts to digest meat(in particular) before it hits the colon where even more specialized bacteria can digest the meat. I never heard of a kimodo dragon getting E-coli or salmonella poinsoning from eating raw flesh. You can try it, but as your doctor I don't recommend it. Of course you can cook it; but then you may potentially release known carcninogens from the muscle tissue. Hmm, tasty though isn't it?

 

[mastamark]

😳

Cats kill mice and birds with no intention in eating them...and this is not atypical. And if you say that it is out of instinct, sure, but why not eat them.

Foxes kill many more hens then they could eat.

People say dogs, but this I won't agree with since if they kill someone or an animal it is most likely out of being terretorial.

The above does not mean that I love hunting or something, I still think it's dumb, especially when it's not done in a fashion to decrease pain to the animal (people using weapons such as bow and arrows, etc.).

This doesn't prove anything. As humans we should be capable of more humane thinking. Why does a creature with such capacity for compassion kill for sport? That is the question. We as people are soo open to violence that it causes pain everywhere. Maybe if we had used our compassion for all creatures it would reverberate into human love. Showing compassion is always good. We should not hold back because some being doesn't look like us, or can't tell us when it's hurt, or is less intelligent than us. Trust me, they suffer just as we do. What about a mentally ******ed person that is definatly not as smart as the rest of us? Maybe a deaf mute that can't communicate with us? are these people not given the right to not be abused and shot at for fun?(I know it does happen), but there would be no arguement. I can't see why anyone would argue on the side of cruelty. Why not just say "Lets do unto others as I would want for myself, all others?" Why even use one inspired breath to justify anything that can be deemed cruel? We cause so much in the way of destruction, pain, and strife as people adn we don't even know we are doing it. Don't ask why, when an innocent person is murdered in cold blood for no apparent reason other than cruelty. It came from somewhere. We live in a cause and effect universe, all actions have equal reactions. No matter how small a deed wheter you chose to litter on the street, or how large, you drop a bomb on innocents to get to the goverment, there will be a price to pay. Maybe the littering will have a cumulative and catastrophic effect on an ecosystem which will hurt us all, or the killing of innocents lead to insurgencies and terrorism. I don't condone any violence, but immorality breeds immorality. I apologize for not practicing brevity in my response, and I thik I might have went off on a tanget. It's hard debating on a message board.

 

[mastamark]

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Also I think because we are aware to the depth of romantic one to one love, which is expressed through sex, we should not have sex with people we don't love. When you do that you are making it something less than what it actually is to us. Other mammals only do it for the feeling and they, for the most part, don't fall in love the way we do.

Peace.

And all people have sex with people they love. Dogs have sex with a female dog only when the female dog is able to conceive(heat). If a dog is neautured he can care less. Or if a female dog is spayed the male dog has no interest. Sex for love is a good gesture, but I feel too much emphasis is placed onto it and not enough on pure companionship. So many marraiges and relationships go south after the sexual practices go cold. Men cheat and so do women. The purpose of intercourse is procreation. The pleasure you get is only there to stimulate the expelling of semen for conception. Women also have a greater ability to conceive when they are stimulated(proven). When you do what you are supposed to do in life, you get a reward. When you seek the reward without doing the deed, you are stealing, which is bad and will lead to problems(disinterest in spouse, cheating, perversions, etc).

 

[mastamark]

you chew corn with your canines? I personally use my molars and tear meat with my canines as that is their purpose.

Humans have flat teeth. Canines have longer and more pointy canines. If your canines actually look like a canines, or a vampire for that matter you have a comon disorder which comes from crooked lower teeth that sharpened the top teeth. If you find yourself biting the inner aspect of your lower lip I would consult my dentist, as this can be a serious issue. And you pre-meds out there remember the proper term for so called canine teeth in humans is "eyetooth" not because of its similarity to canine teeth, but because of its alignment. Dogs, bears, cats, and so on use there long canine teeth as weapons to deliver often fatal blows to prey such as deer, mice, birds what have you. I'd like to see you try that with your mouth. Just run up to a wild animal of anysize and try to sink your teeth into it and kill it. Good Luck. You won't catch smaller prey I promise, you may catch a deer though but the kill would be funny.

 

[gujuDoc]

guju, you don't have to be so defensive...he just pointed out that people started assuming this was a female patient. Also, he said this statement was a bit sexist, not that YOU are sexist. I actually agree with him. And I know that you aren't sexist.

Yes actually I did need to be defensive because Flop took my post the wrong way and made it sound like he said I was being sexist.

As I pointed out, my response was based on the post right above mine which mentioned a gynecologist. Based on the post above mine, I thought the patient that they were referring to was a female. I was not aware that it said him or her, and not her in the original question and did not bother to go back and look at the original question in full to see that.

I already apologized about that, but there is no reason to quote me and accuse me of being sexist based on my response to someone right above me.

That said..........

Regardless of whether the person in this situation is a female or male, they should talk to the gynec or male counterpart proctologist (isn't that what they are called?? At least that's what I thought, but I don't know what the male counterpart is of a gynecologist.) or for that matter, family practice doctors usually are able to discuss these issues because they often are able to do some of the things like physicals, etc.