Nova vs TouroNY

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Which should I go to?

  • Nova

    Votes: 33 82.5%

  • TouroNY

    Votes: 7 17.5%
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Tried looking for a similar thread and couldn't find one.

Coming from the west coast, proximity to home isn't really an issue. Any help and input would be appreciated!!!

Nova:
Pros:
-S. Florida is amazing, with what seem like great hospitals all around.
-No attendance policy
-Students mentioned what sounded like a server that had a ton of notes, study sheets, and back work from previous years. This seemed like a huge asset and I loved the fact that students are willing to collaborate like this.

Cons:
-It does cost more
-There seem to be a lot of complaints with administration.. I was hoping someone could elaborate on this.
-Class size? (is this a con?)
-Attrition rate



TouroNY:
Pros:
-NYC. close to friends. lots of medicine related opportunities in the city and surrounding areas.
-Clicker sessions + watch lectures on itunes
-More research opportunities

Cons:
-potentially location. in nyc you are competing with a bazillion other medical student in many other schools (MD schools) located in the city...this might make getting residencies/specific rotations around the city more difficult
-reputation. newer school, perhaps not as well known when applying to residencies, etc
 
NSU is well established. The living doesn't get better than here in SoFla. Med schools in proximity are FIU, UM, and FAU (all MD and each roughly 40-50min away from NSU) and they each have their own affiliations so rotation clutter is usually not an issue. I love NYC, to visit… I could not live there. To each their own I suppose.
 
I interviewed at both schools. Although I love NYC (live in jersey), TouroNY just seems iffy. They claim to be very selective during admissions process, but I felt like they had nothing to show for it. Plus living in NYC is so congested and such a hassle...something you don't want while you're trying to study. Nova is where it's at. Plus who wouldn't want to live near Miami 🙄 and warm weather all year round?

Nova has better hospital affiliations, and so many more amenities than TouroNY. Just my opinion. Although I felt like the students at TouroNY seemed more attractive than at Nova. Idk if that's a factor for you ..
 
Def. choose NSU. I'm sure Touro is a great school, but NSU is more established and they have better rotations. Plus, I'm currently dating a 1st year at Touro-NY and she hates it there and wishes she went anywhere else.
 
How much more is NSU? Don't forget to factor cost of living into the money factor... I know NYC is quite expensive, no idea in that part of Davie.
 
PM me if you want more details/opinions about TouroNY.

I choose it for location and personal reasons over multiple other med school offers. Price is around $43k and rent varies greatly depending on what you think is adequate, where in the city you want to live, and if you have roommates or significant other. I'd say NYC is the exact opposite of a hassle as you can either walk or quickly take the subway to school for drastically less than in takes to maintain a car. One of the highlights of NYC is convenience.
 
Go to touro if you must match in NYC. Otherwise, go to NSU.
 
I say Nova too. It's got a well established program and good rotation sites. Even if you are really want to be back in NY, Nova has rotation sites there.
I have a friend who goes there and he says the administration is just very non-involved and you have to harp them for most things in general. At the same time, my friend loves to complain. What I take is that you just have to be extremely proactive.
 
Depends on where you want to practice. Wanna be in Florida or New York? Obviously you're not LOCKED into that area.

Also--the most important factor---cost. If over 4 years the tuition cost difference is >$25k, then cheaper wins for me.
 
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Lol pick Nova and never look back.

No offense but why did it come down to NSU vs. TouroNY?
I can see if it was NSU vs. Western-P or vs. KCUMB or DMU or even Rowan. But TouroNY?? 😕 lol
 
Despite my discontent with Nova's admission process this year, I would pick it over TouroNY in a heart beat. It's much more established, tons of affiliations with local hospitals, owns lots of residency positions, and very well-known school.
 
Go online and google picture images of the two schools. 'Nuff said.

TouroNy doesn't even look like a school, let alone a medical school.
 
happypremed1 said:
Go online and google picture images of the two schools. 'Nuff said.

TouroNy doesn't even look like a school, let alone a medical school.
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Everday I thank God I got accepted to Nova. It was my only acceptance, but it's ONLY one I needed. Such an amazing school. Can't wait until July when I move down there!
 
Nova

and FWIW, they are expanding their research and unlike other classes, NSU has kept the same class size for a while. Also, this is biased, but I feel like NSU's name is something thats just plastered in a bunch of satellite schools; It is very well recognized and established in FL (unlike the dime-a-dozen Touro schools that exist).

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can do away rotations over there if you want to for your fourth year.
 
victoriax87 said:
Tried looking for a similar thread and couldn't find one.

Coming from the west coast, proximity to home isn't really an issue. Any help and input would be appreciated!!!

Nova:
Pros:
-S. Florida is amazing, with what seem like great hospitals all around.
-No attendance policy
-Students mentioned what sounded like a server that had a ton of notes, study sheets, and back work from previous years. This seemed like a huge asset and I loved the fact that students are willing to collaborate like this.

Cons:
-It does cost more
-There seem to be a lot of complaints with administration.. I was hoping someone could elaborate on this.
-Class size? (is this a con?)
-Attrition rate



TouroNY:
Pros:
-NYC. close to friends. lots of medicine related opportunities in the city and surrounding areas.
-Clicker sessions + watch lectures on itunes
-More research opportunities

Cons:
-potentially location. in nyc you are competing with a bazillion other medical student in many other schools (MD schools) located in the city...this might make getting residencies/specific rotations around the city more difficult
-reputation. newer school, perhaps not as well known when applying to residencies, etc
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who told you about the attrition rate at Nova? Unlike NYCOM, people don't fail out of Nova at the same rate.
 
You can do your core rotations in NY if you want. Nova has an affiliation with South Hampton. This year 7 students are going to South Hampton.
 
NeuroLAX said:
You can do your core rotations in NY if you want. Nova has an affiliation with South Hampton. This year 7 students are going to South Hampton.
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That's cool Nova has an affiliation with a hospital in Long Island, I didn't realize that.

I wanted to point out for others reading that South Hampton is by no means NYC and wouldn't really help you with a NYC area residency or give you a taste of the NYC experience as it is a 3 hour trip from the city in perfect conditions.

darklabel said:
It is very well recognized and established in FL (unlike the dime-a-dozen Touro schools that exist)
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TouroNY wouldn't be known in FL that is true. However, as someone whose lived in multiple states across the country and NYC, I never heard of Nova until reading SDN. It makes total sense if you want to be in FL - no question. Everyone in the NYC medical community is aware of TouroNY just like those in FL are aware of Nova. I doubt anyone in the MD community outside of either location gives two ****s.

Does Nova has pre-clinical class rank?
 
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DrEnderW said:
TouroNY wouldn't be known in FL that is true. However, as someone whose lived in multiple states across the country and NYC, I never heard of Nova until reading SDN. It makes total sense if you want to be in FL - no question. Everyone in the NYC medical community is aware of TouroNY just like those in FL are aware of Nova. I doubt anyone in the MD community outside of either location gives two
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Yeah you're right, I did say I was biased for the school though haha.

But since OP wants to work/live in NY, Touro is their best bet. Though I have read on here that it is kind of difficult to match in NY for a DO as opposed to other places. Not sure how true that is though coming from Touro.
 
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darklabel said:
Yeah you're right, I did say I was biased for the school though haha.

But since OP wants to work/live in NY, Touro is their best bet. Though I have read on here that it is kind of difficult to match in NY for a DO as opposed to other places. Not sure how true that is though coming from Touro.
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Looking at match lists for DO schools across the country, I don't think that's true. Looking at Nova's 2013 list, they matched 13 in New York, 6 of which were in NYC. New York has an enormous number of residency spots both in the AOA and ACGME.
 
If I want to practice in NY after (i.e. get residency there) I would have better luck if I went to Touro NY?

What if I wanted to practice in California/get residency there? Would Nova be the better choice?

Thank you so much everyone for your input so far!
 
victoriax87 said:
If I want to practice in NY after (i.e. get residency there) I would have better luck if I went to Touro NY?

What if I wanted to practice in California/get residency there? Would Nova be the better choice?

Thank you so much everyone for your input so far!
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Touro mostly rotates in North Jersey, not NYC. It will be somewhat easier to schedule away rotations in NYC I guess, but I doubt it will help tremendously if you want to match allo.

Neither will help substantially for residency in CA.

So long as you match into a decent allo program, you should basically be able to go to either part of the country post residency.
 
Nycom and touro send graduates to the better NYC programs. Albert einstein takes DOs from other DO schools, but it's rare to see a DO at NYU, Cornell or Columbia who isn't from nycom or touro. Not that it's common for DOs to match at any of those hosptials...
 
cliquesh said:
Nycom and touro send graduates to the better NYC programs. Albert einstein takes DOs from other DO schools, but it's rare to see a DO at NYU, Cornell or Columbia who isn't from nycom or touro. Not that it's common for DOs to match at any of those hosptials...
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It's a great hospital too. Good to know
 
cliquesh said:
Nycom and touro send graduates to the better NYC programs. Albert einstein takes DOs from other DO schools, but it's rare to see a DO at NYU, Cornell or Columbia who isn't from nycom or touro. Not that it's common for DOs to match at any of those hosptials...
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I will be the DO that gets accepted to NYU.
 
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FutureGlobalDoc said:
Question #10: "though interns in internal medicine are spearheading the effort to create one!" you should know by now...

I will be the DO to spearhead the effort. #epicwalkaway
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Heh, the other 10.

10. Do you accept Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates?
We are sorry, but we do not accept Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates
 
cliquesh said:
Heh, the other 10.

10. Do you accept Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates?
We are sorry, but we do not accept Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates
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Low blow bro, way to hurt my feelings. But in all honesty, they will make an exception 😉
 
cliquesh said:
Heh, the other 10.

10. Do you accept Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates?
We are sorry, but we do not accept Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine graduates
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That's fine. Their program probably sucks anyways.
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But seriously, that sucks. At least they come right out and say it though.
 
Looking at their 2012 match list, I'm not too thrilled by their matches at the more competitive hospitals. Columbia/Cornell was a PM&R match, and NYU was PM&R and pathology. I'd rather do a more competitive residency at a less prestigious institution.
 
Mad Jack said:
Looking at their 2012 match list, I'm not too thrilled by their matches at the more competitive hospitals. Columbia/Cornell was a PM&R match, and NYU was PM&R and pathology. I'd rather do a more competitive residency at a less prestigious institution.
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Whether it's PM&R or Rad Onc, getting a residency in an Ivy League-esque hospital is commendable. I wouldn't devalue a match at NYU or Cornell regardless of specialty of choice.

You are looking at the match list the wrong way. Not everyone aims for competitive residencies. Many people rank based on location too and not prestige. The way a match list should be looked at is whether these students got matched at any of their top 3 choices--but that's something clearly impossible to determine as an outsider.

That's why everyone says not to look at a match list when choosing a school. It does not represent the strength of the student body but simply the tastes and preferences.
 
Dr. Zombie said:
Whether it's PM&R or Rad Onc, getting a residency in an Ivy League-esque hospital is commendable. I wouldn't devalue a match at NYU or Cornell regardless of specialty of choice.

You are looking at the match list the wrong way. Not everyone aims for competitive residencies. Many people rank based on location too and not prestige. The way a match list should be looked at is whether these students got matched at any of their top 3 choices--but that's something clearly impossible to determine as an outsider.
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I am aware that there are some people that want these specialties, I'm just saying that the competition probably wasn't that fierce, even with the location. If you really want path or PM&R as a DO, I don't think there are any programs that will outright refuse to even look at your app. I would be more impressed by competitive matches in the specialties that weren't so DO friendly to begin with. I mean, given the choice between a low tier EM or anesthesia in Wyoming or path in NYC, I'm taking Wyoming erry time. But everyone is different. If someone is down with the less competitive specialties and wants to live in NYC then these results should be encouraging. To most people they are probably just meh.
 
Mad Jack said:
I am aware that there are some people that want these specialties, I'm just saying that the competition probably wasn't that fierce, even with the location. If you really want path or PM&R as a DO, I don't think there are any programs that will outright refuse to even look at your app. I would be more impressed by competitive matches in the specialties that weren't so DO friendly to begin with. I mean, given the choice between a low tier EM or anesthesia in Wyoming or path in NYC, I'm taking Wyoming erry time. But everyone is different. If someone is down with the less competitive specialties and wants to live in NYC then these results should be encouraging. To most people they are probably just meh.
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Are you saying that you'll pick a specialty based on tier and competitiveness? Because if I like EM more as a better fit for me, I'm not gonna drop it to pick Anesthesia at Harvard.
 
Dr. Zombie said:
Are you saying that you'll pick a specialty based on tier and competitiveness? Because if I like EM more as a better fit for me, I'm not gonna drop it to pick Anesthesia at Harvard.
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I'm not saying I am interested in these specialties because they are competitive.
I'm saying that I am interested in more competitive specialties than the ones that these Touro grads matched to, and thus their results don't get me excited in the slightest.

For me specialty>prestige of institution>location
 
Mad Jack said:
I'm not saying I am interested in these specialties because they are competitive.
I'm saying that I am interested in more competitive specialties than the ones that these Touro grads matched to, and thus their results don't get me excited in the slightest.

For me specialty>prestige of institution>location
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What are you thinking then?
 
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Mad Jack said:
I'm not saying I am interested in these specialties because they are competitive.
I'm saying that I am interested in more competitive specialties than the ones that these Touro grads matched to, and thus their results don't get me excited in the slightest.

For me specialty>prestige of institution>location
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I see. But i feel that you can't judge a graduating class based on what they wanted to do vs. what you want to do.

For example, if I wanted to do let's say....Dermatology. I won't say "no thanks Touro" because I didn't see anyone match to it. Rather, I'd pick a school based on other elements (i.e. location, average COMLEX score, OPTI...etc)

If I want to match into Derm, I won't depend on a school's match list to produce this prior to my matriculation. I will make sure to make it happen for myself regardless of what their historical match list says.
 
cliquesh said:
What are you thinking then?
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I'm thinking I would like to go into just about anything that isn't PM&R, FM, or Path, and have my eye on EM, anesthesia, and mid-tier IM. Touro had some solid matches to good programs outside of NYC in these specialties in the past four years, so I'm not saying they aren't decent at matching their applicants to good programs, it's just they aren't going to give you stellar chances of doing any of the three at top NYC hospitals is all I'm saying. Sure, you can land path, FM, or PM&R most likely, but I doubt this is a function of going to Touro so much as it is a function of people from Touro are more likely to apply to these sorts of programs in NYC in order to stay there. Do you think you would have trouble getting in to PM&R at Cornell with awesome scores from Nova?
 
Dr. Zombie said:
I see. But i feel that you can't judge a graduating class based on what they wanted to do vs. what you want to do.

For example, if I wanted to do let's say....Dermatology. I won't say "no thanks Touro" because I didn't see anyone match to it. Rather, I'd pick a school based on other elements (i.e. location, average COMLEX score, OPTI...etc)

If I want to match into Derm, I won't depend on a school's match list to produce this prior to my matriculation. I will make sure to make it happen for myself regardless of what their historical match list says.
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I totally agree. PCOM is a good example of this. They tend to select heavily for primary care from what I've heard, and their match list reflects that. You've got a lot of specialty matches, sure, but a TON of their students go into FM and IM, because that is what the school is looking for.

All I was saying is people shouldn't see that somebody matched into two of the least competitive specialties at Cornell and NYU and think that that means that the floodgates are open and they'll be doing ortho or something there because they went to Touro.
 
Touro NY's 2013 Match List I got from a current student is as follows (#'s are number of people who matched at that location for that specialty, no number after means just 1 person). Does this change anything from above?

NYU-PMR-2
NUMC-Psychiatry
URochester-Radiology
Einstein Montefiore-Pediatrics
Einstein Montefiore-PMR
Einstein/Jacobi Med Ctr-EM
Staten Island-Surgery
Staten Island-Psych
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-Psychiatry
North Shore/LIJ-Psych
North Shore/LIJ-FM
Wilson Memorial-IM
NYMC Westchester Med Center-Pediatrics-3
NYCOM/Flushing-
NYCOM/Nassau-FM
NYCOM/Nassau-Traditional Rotating
NYCOM-Trinitas-IM
NYCOM/Jamaica-FM
NY Hospital Med Center-IM
NYCOM/Sisters of Charity-IM
NYP Hospital Columbia and Cornell-PMR
Long Beach-Traditional Rotating
St. Barnabas-Traditional Rotating
St. Barnabas-EM-2
St. Barnabas-Radiology
Stony Brook-PMR
Stony Brook-FM
Stony Brook-Pediatrics
Palisades-IM-4
Palisades-General Surgery
Palisades-Traditional-3
Palisades-FM-3
Overlook-FM
TUCOM-CA/Valley-IM
UMDNJ-EM
UMDNJ RWJ-FM
UMDNJ-Pediatrics
Meadowlands-Radiology
Meadowlands-Traditional Rotating
Meadowlands-Orthopedic Surgery-2
St. Josephs-Anesthesiology
UNECOM/St. Michaels-IM
St. Luke's Roosevelt-IM
Peconic Bay-Traditional Rotating
UMDNJSOM/Christ..-Traditional Rotating
UMDNJSOM/Christ..-FM
UMDNJSOM/Kennedy-IM
UMDNJSOM/AHS-FM
Lenox Hill-OB/GYN
St. Johns-General Surgery
St. Johns-FM
Maimonides Med Center-Anesthesiology
Cooper-Pediatrics
PCOM/Warren-FM
UBuffalo-EM-2
LECOM/Arnot Ogden-FM
 
victoriax87 said:
Touro NY's 2013 Match List I got from a current student is as follows (#'s are number of people who matched at that location for that specialty, no number after means just 1 person). Does this change anything from above?

NYU-PMR-2
NUMC-Psychiatry
URochester-Radiology
Einstein Montefiore-Pediatrics
Einstein Montefiore-PMR
Einstein/Jacobi Med Ctr-EM
Staten Island-Surgery
Staten Island-Psych
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-Psychiatry
North Shore/LIJ-Psych
North Shore/LIJ-FM
Wilson Memorial-IM
NYMC Westchester Med Center-Pediatrics-3
NYCOM/Flushing-
NYCOM/Nassau-FM
NYCOM/Nassau-Traditional Rotating
NYCOM-Trinitas-IM
NYCOM/Jamaica-FM
NY Hospital Med Center-IM
NYCOM/Sisters of Charity-IM
NYP Hospital Columbia and Cornell-PMR
Long Beach-Traditional Rotating
St. Barnabas-Traditional Rotating
St. Barnabas-EM-2
St. Barnabas-Radiology
Stony Brook-PMR
Stony Brook-FM
Stony Brook-Pediatrics
Palisades-IM-4
Palisades-General Surgery
Palisades-Traditional-3
Palisades-FM-3
Overlook-FM
TUCOM-CA/Valley-IM
UMDNJ-EM
UMDNJ RWJ-FM
UMDNJ-Pediatrics
Meadowlands-Radiology
Meadowlands-Traditional Rotating
Meadowlands-Orthopedic Surgery-2
St. Josephs-Anesthesiology
UNECOM/St. Michaels-IM
St. Luke's Roosevelt-IM
Peconic Bay-Traditional Rotating
UMDNJSOM/Christ..-Traditional Rotating
UMDNJSOM/Christ..-FM
UMDNJSOM/Kennedy-IM
UMDNJSOM/AHS-FM
Lenox Hill-OB/GYN
St. Johns-General Surgery
St. Johns-FM
Maimonides Med Center-Anesthesiology
Cooper-Pediatrics
PCOM/Warren-FM
UBuffalo-EM-2
LECOM/Arnot Ogden-FM
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I think if you are 100% set on doing residency in NY then you should choose Touro since its more well-known in the area...you should also think of which location you prefer to live in...
 
Teeheehee @ being certain of residencies before going to med school.

Maybe it's just me but I change my mind on what I envision myself doing weekly.
 
I haven't read the full thread. If it were my choice, I'd probably lean towards nsu tbh. Established school with great facilities. Which are you leaning towards op?
 
Is it just about the opportunities available? I would think they have roughly the same resources rightt??
 
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