Nova's "28 average MCAT" ?

[studentp0x]

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I know someone who totally BSed their ECs because they had connections and people vouched for them through LORs.

It's getting more and more competitive to have impressive ECs because people BS a lot.

Ya but those applicants are quite rare. It's best to excel at something you like while having the basics (clinical volunteering, shadowing etc.). Doing that alone puts you above most other applicants EC wise.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Ya but those applicants are quite rare. It's best to excel at something you like while having the basics (clinical volunteering, shadowing etc.). Doing that alone puts you above most other applicants EC wise.

Yah, well in the real world people lie and cheat. And more than not these types of people end up on top of very high chairs.

 

[studentp0x]

Yah, well in the real world people lie and cheat. And more than not these types of people end up on top of very high chairs.

That's just part of reality. Best to get used to it.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

All these schools are trying to make themselves look like the Harvard of DO schools. In the end, who really cares? As long as the school has solid clinical affiliations and prepares the students well, these matriculant stats really don't matter much. They may even make a better impression on prospective students if they had more transparent admissions standards and stated what they're looking for.



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I know right.

Unfortunately it's so easy to get caught up in the stats game when the cycle is starting out. It took me a few interviews to look past the BS and evaluate the product for myself. I'm still not sure I can do it without bias.

Do you think allo schools do this as well then? Keep in mind the official msar only states accepted and not matriculant averages

I honestly don't know. I looked up the process and for the most part it's self reported but there should be good oversight.

If it happens in undergrad (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/...issions-data-more-decade#sthash.OaFk1wWg.dpbs) then why not med school?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...437876-6b17-11e2-af53-7b2b2a7510a8_story.html

People like organized lists where they can quickly make judgement calls. Having a ranking system is like crack.

Programs have to build a reputation and be at the top. After a while I just stopped digging through muck and don't care anymore.

I have a couple of friends who didn't even bother to think about the mission of a school. They thought if a school interviewed them then it was a good school but if they were rejected it was because the school was too good for them.

It's just idiotic how people think and make decisions sometimes.

A survey of 576 college admissions officers conducted by Gallup in the summer for the online news outlet Inside Higher Ed found that 91 percent think other colleges had falsely reported standardized test scores and other admissions data. A few said their own college had done so.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

I mean, if I wanted to raise the average stats of my school and I was reporting accepted students only then it wouldn't be too hard. Interview applicants and waitlist anyone below the average. Automatically accept anyone above the average. If the waitlisted applicants are REALLY interested in the school then their updates will show it. Accept them later on down the road.

One school gives a big range for their MCAT average. Good for them, they might not be interested in playing the stats game.

 

[NettleHead]

Does anyone have the Nova secondary app prompts? That would be so amazing. My AACOMAS app is taking forever to get verified.

 

[Fargofargo]

Does anyone have the Nova secondary app prompts? That would be so amazing. My AACOMAS app is taking forever to get verified.

lucky for you, Nova doesn't have secondary questions to answer, simply fill in your contact info, and then pay!

 

[orangeman25]

lucky for you, Nova doesn't have secondary questions to answer, simply fill in your contact info, and then pay!

No they do have prompts. Along the lines of "your understanding of osteopathic medicine" and "clinical exposure"

 

[NettleHead]

lucky for you, Nova doesn't have secondary questions to answer, simply fill in your contact info, and then pay!

yay!!!!!

 

[Mad Jack]

Tons was the wrong word.... Perhaps lots or many is more appropriate. Either way, letting these "averages" drive application decisions is a horrible idea.

I find it very hard to believe that a schools MCAT average has truly increased 3.8pts(14%)* in the past 5 years when the overall mean MCAT has only risen 0.5pts(<2%).

*This according to Touro-ny's demographics pages.

Touro and Nova tend to interview high MCAT applicants early on. My bet is that their average accepted MCAT includes many of the high stat students that they accepted but chose not to attend, whereas their average matriculant MCAT is much lower.

 

[Fargofargo]

yay!!!!!

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/official-secondary-application-thread-2013-2014.1002478/
This should be helpful! 90% of these are the same for this year

 

[orangeman25]

Touro and Nova tend to interview high MCAT applicants early on. My bet is that their average accepted MCAT includes many of the high stat students that they accepted but chose not to attend, whereas their average matriculant MCAT is much lower.

Then where did all those high MCAT applicants end up going?

 

[Fargofargo]

Then where did all those high MCAT applicants end up going?

MD schools probably...haha florida has 6+ MD schools

 

[Mad Jack]

Then where did all those high MCAT applicants end up going?

MD schools or other DO schools. I chose to not go to Touro Manhattan with a 35, so that's an extra few points over their matriculating average that boosts their accepted average. Screw NYC though, ain't nobody got cash fo that.

 

[orangeman25]

MD schools or other DO schools. I chose to not go to Touro Manhattan with a 35, so that's an extra few points over their matriculating average that boosts their accepted average. Screw NYC though, ain't nobody got cash fo that.

Oh nice. Did interviewers at DO schools comment on your MCAT?

 

[Mad Jack]

Oh nice. Did interviewers at DO schools comment on your MCAT?

No. I was very clear that I only applied DO though, so they didn't need to get a feel as to whether DO was my backup.

 

[Gundam00]

Does NOVA really have 49% OOS matriculants? How big is their class?

 

[Fargofargo]

Does NOVA really have 49% OOS matriculants? How big is their class?

250 i blieve

 

[Gundam00]

250 i blieve

AACOM published that they had like 169 Florida matriculants for entering class of 2013 though..hmmm

 

[orangeman25]

No. I was very clear that I only applied DO though, so they didn't need to get a feel as to whether DO was my backup.

Oh okay cool. Were you always interested in the DO philosophy? Or did you have a low GPA or something? Not trying to pry just curious about an applicant with your MCAT only applying DO.

 

[Mad Jack]

Oh okay cool. Were you always interested in the DO philosophy? Or did you have a low GPA or something? Not trying to pry just curious about an applicant with your MCAT only applying DO.

I got my MCAT back too late in the MD cycle to bother applying, so I went DO to save myself a year of my life. I was planning on going on DO and only second-guessed it because of my MCAT score- I always loved the DO philosophy and actually really like OMM so far (it's not as crazy as I thought it would be, it's pretty much just a different take on physical/sports/massage therapy and it works pretty well). GPA was 3.8 and I had some strong ECs, so getting into an MD program was fairly likely if I applied to a good number of schools.

I love my school, and I'm pretty happy with my choice, but we'll see how I feel about it come match time.