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Anyone else see this commercial between YouTube videos?
Now we're just making up degrees
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So I know a professor that moonlights at this University for extra money. She has said that the professor side of things is very accommodating; however, they are very religious and require you to affirm christian ideals. Even scarier than that youtube video, if you go to their website and look at psychology degrees they have a plethora of degrees with multiple doctoral degrees in psychology. These degree's make no mention of job attainment post graduation, or report their lack of accreditation. There should be more oversight on Universities and Colleges as I feel many unknowing or less researched students would sign up for these degrees only to be let down post graduation.
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After watching that, I have no idea what that degree would even lead to. I don't understand how students end up in some of these programs - what do they think they will be hired to do once they're done? I didn't take the time to look at the website, but I wonder how these schools try to sell these programs.
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I was all in when they said "master your craft" and showed someone petting a rabbit. I don't know what this program is going to teach me, but that bunny was cute.
You could replace every time they said "performance psychology" with almost any other catch phrase and re-use the commercial without any modification. Seriously - try "business", "social work", "educational leadership", "advertising", or hell make something up like "innovative consultation" or "industrial economics" to get the same result. That should tell you something about what you're buying.
You could replace every time they said "performance psychology" with almost any other catch phrase and re-use the commercial without any modification. Seriously - try "business", "social work", "educational leadership", "advertising", or hell make something up like "innovative consultation" or "industrial economics" to get the same result. That should tell you something about what you're buying.
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@Justanothergrad If I were trying to sell some seemingly intellectual stuff, petting a rabbit wouldn't be something I want associated with my product.
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They claim to be non-profit in this ad, but according to other sources, they just lost that status (and only had it for a short time).
www.insidehighered.com
That aside, my favorite-sounding offering is the PhD in Psych Tech (sounds fun and exciting but when you read more, it’s actually an education doctorate integrating technology into learning/teaching) followed by the doctorate in Counselor Education and Supervision, made for those who already practice and have a master’s degree. It makes me wonder which companies will hire someone with master’s licensure and a doctorate that didn’t lead to practice supervising other people (but cannot supervise psychologists). Why would you hire someone with such limited supervisory capacity when you could just hire a master’s level practitioner who took some supervision CEs?
www.gcu.edu
This reminds me of the programs that offer a doctorate in marriage and family therapy that doesn’t lead to licensure but a “deepening practice” one already engages in. If it’s a doctorate that requires a prior advanced degree and doesn’t lead to a new licensure path, it should be a major red flag. Also should be a red flag if it has too many words and/or brick and mortar schools don’t offer it. Unfortunately, the folks who need to see this may not, which is why I believe we need the government to step in and crack down on these programs. Or APA in the service of protecting our field?
Education Department calls Grand Canyon a for-profit, raising questions about conversion bids
Trump administration's Education Department says the Arizona university remains a for-profit, a surprising decision that may dump cold water on other nonprofit conversion bids.
That aside, my favorite-sounding offering is the PhD in Psych Tech (sounds fun and exciting but when you read more, it’s actually an education doctorate integrating technology into learning/teaching) followed by the doctorate in Counselor Education and Supervision, made for those who already practice and have a master’s degree. It makes me wonder which companies will hire someone with master’s licensure and a doctorate that didn’t lead to practice supervising other people (but cannot supervise psychologists). Why would you hire someone with such limited supervisory capacity when you could just hire a master’s level practitioner who took some supervision CEs?
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This reminds me of the programs that offer a doctorate in marriage and family therapy that doesn’t lead to licensure but a “deepening practice” one already engages in. If it’s a doctorate that requires a prior advanced degree and doesn’t lead to a new licensure path, it should be a major red flag. Also should be a red flag if it has too many words and/or brick and mortar schools don’t offer it. Unfortunately, the folks who need to see this may not, which is why I believe we need the government to step in and crack down on these programs. Or APA in the service of protecting our field?
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They claim to be non-profit in this ad, but according to other sources, they just lost that status (and only had it for a short time).
Education Department calls Grand Canyon a for-profit, raising questions about conversion bids
Trump administration's Education Department says the Arizona university remains a for-profit, a surprising decision that may dump cold water on other nonprofit conversion bids.
That aside, my favorite-sounding offering is the PhD in Psych Tech (sounds fun and exciting but when you read more, it’s actually an education doctorate integrating technology into learning/teaching) followed by the doctorate in Counselor Education and Supervision, made for those who already practice and have a master’s degree. It makes me wonder which companies will hire someone with master’s licensure and a doctorate that didn’t lead to practice supervising other people (but cannot supervise psychologists). Why would you hire someone with such limited supervisory capacity when you could just hire a master’s level practitioner who took some supervision CEs?
Online PhD Programs | PhD Online
Discover online PhD programs that can help inspire learners who are passionate about their field of study. Enroll today at GCU.
This reminds me of the programs that offer a doctorate in marriage and family therapy that doesn’t lead to licensure but a “deepening practice” one already engages in. If it’s a doctorate that requires a prior advanced degree and doesn’t lead to a new licensure path, it should be a major red flag. Also should be a red flag if it has too many words and/or brick and mortar schools don’t offer it. Unfortunately, the folks who need to see this may not, which is why I believe we need the government to step in and crack down on these programs. Or APA in the service of protecting our field?
The doctorate in Counseling Ed & Sup has a use for people who wish to be faculty in CACREP counseling programs. These programs require this degree for their faculty; they do not allow psychologists unless they’ve been grandfathered in. The whole system of requiring this specific degree is dumb, but that’s another conversation.
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I can't lie...I kinda want to know more about the rabbit. Does it come with the degree? Is it extra? Can I upgrade the rabbit to an animal more fitting of my personality? How much would it be for a Honey Badger? If I wanted a support octopus, could I get one?
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In all fairness, the girl petting the rabbit is not getting the PhD. The dad randomly hitting keys on the computer is getting the degree. So, you too can get a PhD by sitting in your living room and hitting keys on a computer while your daughter pets a rabbit and watches television a few feet away. This will lead to handshakes at a career fair, maybe not a job, but definitely handshakes from the GCU doctoral program rep after you are apparently already enrolled in the program. I don't know why you stop by a career fair when you are already enrolled, but okay. Then, you can continue doing the same job you seem to already have been doing (likely for a long time with your new student loan debt). Sounds awesome!
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I believe the person that said, And I get to tend the rabbits!" got shot in the back of the head by the smart person in Steinbecks' work.
(thought posting a video of Lenny getting it would be inappropriate)
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Conversely, petting a rabbit is the best case outcome for this degree.
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I was not aware of this! Do you know how widespread this requirement is? All CACREP MA programs?
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The best part is the BS chart in the background when he's giving a presentation at the end.
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Tressie McMillan Cottom has done research about who and how for-profit institutions target as their target market. A lot of it has to do with the belief that educational credentials, especially graduate degrees, lead to upward social mobility, and, for a variety of reasons, the cost-benefit analysis may appear to favor attending a for-profit institution like this one over a traditional brick-and-mortar institution. As for how they sell the programs, the video is pretty transparent: here's a degree that will enable you to be a leader. Whether or not it actually delivers on that promise is something else.
I tried looking for Grand Canyon University's gainful employment disclosures, and the only mention of "gainful employment" that I could find was a FAQ defending their decision to apply for non-profit status in 2018, which, apparently, was totally not about avoiding stringent regulations of for-profit schools that aren't really applicable to GCU anyway (/s)! I did, however, find student learning outcomes data. Some highlights:
- Doctoral 1-year retention rate: 74%
- Doctoral 6-year graduation rate: "Trending 33%"
- Alumni survey - salary > $45,000: 64.1% online, 17.5% traditional
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My craft is making bunnies as comfortable as possible and I have a doctorate to prove it
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Wait, are those emotional support bunnies? Now it's starting to make sense...
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SECTION 1: THE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT - CACREP
The following Standards apply to all entry-level and doctoral-level programs for which accreditation is being sought unless otherwise specified. THE INSTITUTION The academic unit is clearly identified as part of the institution’s graduate degree offerings and has primary responsibility for the...
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Standard W speaks to the requirement for core faculty.
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The requirement, typically, is that the majority of faculty have to be counselors (not psychologists). This is one of the reasons the APA is getting into masters accreditation. Otherwise, CACREP is pushing psychology out of masters-level training.
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Really unfortunate to hear that psychologists, who are uniquely trained and well-equipped to supervise MAs, LCSWs, and MFTs are getting pushed out of these programs via requiring a highly specialized niche doctoral degree that may not lead to doctoral-level licensure. In my program, supervision class/practicum were required parts of the psychology training/curriculum toward the end of the course sequence (for advanced students).
It sounds like there are multiple turf wars going on right now over psychotherapy practice and supervision....and assessment, even.
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This is why we don't have rights. We've parted out our profession like a busted up 1980's Buick.
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Who is the "we" and what rights to do you speak of? What do you mean "parted out" and what is "our profession." Mental health treatment is made up of many allied health professions. It has been the position of APA for a long time that Psychology is a doctoral profession.
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Woah...slow down lol. I was kind of joking but kind of not. It's my opinion that we have parted out the profession of psychotherapy. You may disagree, and that is fine. We all have opinions on the matter. No need to draw this out into some major philosophical debate 😛 While the APA as an organization may hold that belief...alas, not everyone has to be on board with it 🙂
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Didn’t think my post sounded fast and I’m not looking for a philosophical debate either. Just don’t understand what you mean by parted out psychotherapy.
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Probably referring to the fact that psychotherapy is largely a masters-level craft nowadays. Counselors and social workers in terms of sheer numbers are doing more psychotherapy than psychologists. And counseling as a profession (hello ACA) has vehemently separated itself from psychology to the point that it is almost hostile.
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I am familiar with some of their programs. Avoid GCU at all costs.
