Now what?

[MasterDebater]

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I can say I've royally screwed up. I've totaled 2 F's (one for Academic Dishonesty), 3 C's, quite a few B's,and 3 withdrawals for my two-year degree in Bio Sciences, and I am about to transfer to a 4-yr school for my Bachelor's in Chem or Maths after realising Bio Sciences was making me not only miserable to the point of depression, but even past it. GPA now is like 3.4 or something (science is prob like 2.5, though) and I am not sure if I'll be able to get into Dental School even if I get a 4.0 these next two years even considering the GPA from this local 2-yr college not transferring. And the thing is, these next two-years will be all science courses (maths and chem) so I should get the sciences up around a somewhat decent number, but I think it's simply too late for me to be a Dentist with the amount of horrible grades and withdrawals I've gotten, and I think the academic dishonesty is well, just overkill...opinions?

 

[Mohrisbetr]

I definitely agreed that you've royally screwed up - but only in your 2-year program, not all your chances of becoming a dentist. If you continue your education and do well, I think it would be an easy argument to make that you were very unhappy, unsure about what you really wanted, and thus uncommitted.

You'll definitely have to work hard and you probably can't afford any more withdrawals or academic dishonesty's but getting into dental school can be a long and hard road. Two unfocused years can just be a rough patch at the beginning of your road. I hope that you'll enjoy studying chem/math more than bio sciences.

Hopefully others will stop in to give some advice.

 

[Vicviper]

I think you can still stand a chance, although it will definitely be difficult. What you need to do is transfer, and then totally kick ass, and that will go a long way to show that you've changed. You'll also need some LOR's attesting to how good of a student you are and how you've made progress eventually. The dishonesty is really a big issue, but if you've really overcome that, and you talk at length on how you've done that and turned around, I think you still stand a shot if you work really hard.

 

[MasterDebater]

I think you can still stand a chance, although it will definitely be difficult. What you need to do is transfer, and then totally kick ass, and that will go a long way to show that you've changed. You'll also need some LOR's attesting to how good of a student you are and how you've made progress eventually. The dishonesty is really a big issue, but if you've really overcome that, and you talk at length on how you've done that and turned around, I think you still stand a shot if you work really hard.

I guess I probably shouldn't mention that douchebag liberal p.o.s Al Gore then? The man's the biggest forger in the world and everyone believes him and his multi-billion-dollar-a-year-alternative-energy-to-combat-the-global-warming-that-doesn't-exist-bs. All I did on the other hand was make up some (quite accurate) numbers about some owls,pidgeons, or whatever that no one cares about (especially not anyone in their right mind) and got an F in both the lab and the lecture for it as a result, even though I worked my arse off in the course.

On a separate but probably more important note, I'm not sure whether or not it even went on my permanent record. That worthless 'professor' of mine that got a degree for just attending (or so it seems) said it would be, but on the contract she made me sign, I signed that I would appeal the issue within 14 days as it said. decided not to though because think about it. How pointless would it be showing up early in the morning hours to a room of God knows how many disastisfied-with-their-life/wife/job-employees eager to get-home-and-cheat-on-their-wives-with-their-even-hotter-sisters-or-what be-it with absolutely no evidence in my defense, also considering the fact that if I did and lost my case before the appealment comittee, that it would be an even heavier mark?

 

[Vicviper]

Haha, as much as I agree with you on that first point, maybe this isn't the best place for it. I didn't mean to sound accusatory, but the way you said it, as Academic Dishonesty, sounded like you cheated on a test. The application my ask if you've ever been accused of academic dishonesty, but you can cross that bridge when you come to it - and it's not as bad as if you did cheat on a test, you just fudged some numbers on a report, and it's not like you stole those from someone else.

Again, just do your best, and I think you'll still have a shot.

 

[Doc Smile]

Haha, as much as I agree with you on that first point, maybe this isn't the best place for it. I didn't mean to sound accusatory, but the way you said it, as Academic Dishonesty, sounded like you cheated on a test. The application my ask if you've ever been accused of academic dishonesty, but you can cross that bridge when you come to it - and it's not as bad as if you did cheat on a test, you just fudged some numbers on a report, and it's not like you stole those from someone else.

Again, just do your best, and I think you'll still have a shot.

Agreed,

You miss one hundred percent of the shots you dont take. Except for you, this seems to be a little bit more difficult of a shot. . .

It sounds like you were supposed to attend a hearing of sorts. I am on my university's honor council - deal with academic dishonesty and penalize according to the problem - and when the accused dont show, it usually means an F on their transcript, but no details why.

So if that is your case, you could just tell Dschools that you were deathly ill and your dog got ran over by a theif while stealing your car. So you were so distraught you couldnt even go to class. But that wouldnt really be the ethical thing to do.

 

[DrKumar43210]

Why don't you just go to a school and start all over? If you can spend and extra two years you can definitely go to dental school. Apply to a school and don't have your credits transfer from the other school. It's like getting a fresh start.

 

[Vicviper]

Why don't you just go to a school and start all over? If you can spend and extra two years you can definitely go to dental school. Apply to a school and don't have your credits transfer from the other school. It's like getting a fresh start.

You can't do that because you are required to send in transcripts from every school you've ever taken any college level classes from, and some of the dental schools do background checks based on your SS#, so they could find out everywhere you've gone rather quickly. If you do that and get found out, you'd be more or less banned from any Dental School.

 

[iwannabadentist]

what if you move to canada, get a canadian ssn, and start all over there, and then apply as a canadian applicant to US schools? sure its a pain in the butt, but if i had the choice of either that or applying with an academic dishonesty label on my record, i might really honestly consider the canadian deal.

 

[Vicviper]

what if you move to canada, get a canadian ssn, and start all over there, and then apply as a canadian applicant to US schools? sure its a pain in the butt, but if i had the choice of either that or applying with an academic dishonesty label on my record, i might really honestly consider the canadian deal.

ha....ha?

 

[Mohrisbetr]

what if you move to canada, get a canadian ssn, and start all over there, and then apply as a canadian applicant to US schools? sure its a pain in the butt, but if i had the choice of either that or applying with an academic dishonesty label on my record, i might really honestly consider the canadian deal.

I really hope this isn't serious....

 

[iwannabadentist]

I really hope this isn't serious....

LOL! its stupid but don't tell me it wouldn't work as a last resort. obviously its extremely far fetched but desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[Vicviper]

Well, other than the fact that it's MAJOR academic dishonestly, I'm sure it's a lot harder to do, and probably illegal.

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

I can say I've royally screwed up. I've totaled 2 F's (one for Academic Dishonesty), 3 C's, quite a few B's,and 3 withdrawals for my two-year degree in Bio Sciences, and I am about to transfer to a 4-yr school for my Bachelor's in Chem or Maths after realising Bio Sciences was making me not only miserable to the point of depression, but even past it. GPA now is like 3.4 or something (science is prob like 2.5, though) and I am not sure if I'll be able to get into Dental School even if I get a 4.0 these next two years even considering the GPA from this local 2-yr college not transferring. And the thing is, these next two-years will be all science courses (maths and chem) so I should get the sciences up around a somewhat decent number, but I think it's simply too late for me to be a Dentist with the amount of horrible grades and withdrawals I've gotten, and I think the academic dishonesty is well, just overkill...opinions?

I do have a question. The math doesn't add up here. If you have 2 F's, 3 C's and quite a few B's after only 2 years, HOW can you have a 3.4 gpa? You had to have rocked the rest of the classes. Even then, mathematically, it seems improbable unless you had an ungodly number of credits each semester. Assuming each class was 3 credits (saying this solely for easier math) and quite a few equals 5 (for calculation purposes since he didn't specify - could be more), then you would need 9 classes with A's just to balance out the F's and C's to bring them to a B average. Then that would mean you would have the equivalent of 19 classes of B average work (2 F's, 3 C's, 5 B's and 9 A's - brings you to a 3.0 average). Then you would need 12 more classes of A's to bring the gpa to about a 3.4. Therefore, you would have needed to have taken 31 courses (93 credits) in 2 years to make up for the 2 F's, 3 C's and quite a few B's to achieve a 3.4 average.

That said, the only way people here can give sound advice that may actually help is to be forthright with all info. We can give you all the advice you want with incorrect info, but the only way we can really help is knowing the whole facts. My 2 cents.

 

[iwannabadentist]

"Well, other than the fact that it's MAJOR academic dishonestly, I'm sure it's a lot harder to do, and probably illegal."

hahaha i totally agree. i am not condoning the legality of this matter, i'm just saying its possible. but in all seriousness, i guess an easier/more plausible route would be a kickass PS talking abt yor academic dishonesty issue and why you got it and stuff. i'm thinking that if you, as it said in some book i read, 'hang a lantern on your problem,' and sorta twist it in a way to reflect how your character and morality has changed based on the experiences of your youth, perhaps there is a chance that some schools may be willing to overlook your previous flaws. other than that, gluck with everything

 

[Blarelli]

I do have a question. The math doesn't add up here. If you have 2 F's, 3 C's and quite a few B's after only 2 years, HOW can you have a 3.4 gpa? You had to have rocked the rest of the classes. Even then, mathematically, it seems improbable unless you had an ungodly number of credits each semester. Assuming each class was 3 credits (saying this solely for easier math) and quite a few equals 5 (for calculation purposes since he didn't specify - could be more), then you would need 9 classes with A's just to balance out the F's and C's to bring them to a B average. Then that would mean you would have the equivalent of 19 classes of B average work (2 F's, 3 C's, 5 B's and 9 A's - brings you to a 3.0 average). Then you would need 12 more classes of A's to bring the gpa to about a 3.4. Therefore, you would have needed to have taken 31 courses (93 credits) in 2 years to make up for the 2 F's, 3 C's and quite a few B's to achieve a 3.4 average.

That said, the only way people here can give sound advice that may actually help is to be forthright with all info. We can give you all the advice you want with incorrect info, but the only way we can really help is knowing the whole facts. My 2 cents.

lol, I was just doing the math as well. Something isn't right here, or we are both making the wrong assumption about credit hours.

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

lol, I was just doing the math as well. Something isn't right here, or we are both making the wrong assumption about credit hours.

We must be wrong.

 

[Doc Smile]

Or, perhaps, the F in the class isnt his only point of dishonesty.

My personal opinion, OP, is that you need to really take a step back and survey things. I personally would not want my dentist to have the attitude that you have, nor my classmate. I dont think you are the right candidate for D School. Your attitude and lack of concern is just not what I see getting into school. I am just a lowley-pre-dent-dont-no-nothing-with-nothing-better-to do-type-of-guy anyway, right?

If you are really desperate, you could go this route:

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...ccused_of.html

 

[MasterDebater]

I have 2 F's (1 from the lab -- 1cr., 1 from the lecture -- 3cr.) and 3 C's from 1 lab class (1 cr) and a lab class + lecture (4 cr.) while the B's are from mostly 3 cr. classes (there was one 2cr. elective, though). Rest are A's (3 and 4cr courses).

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All advice here was appreciated. Doc Smile's was the most helpful.