NSU vs LECOM-B

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Don't know. However, I'd like to hear more about clinical rotation experience from NSU students. Anyone care to share?

There's a myriad of hospitals in the area. I cannot possibly imagine why they would have any trouble with finding rotation sites.

AND I've never heard an NSU graduate complain about their education.
 
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skip, do you know if i can do south florida entirely for the last 2 years at lecom-b. i was hoping to do rotations in either miami, fort laud, or as far north as west palm beach. think thats possible for lecom-b?

Why not just go to NSU at the start? I'm seriously confused.
 
skip, do you know if i can do south florida entirely for the last 2 years at lecom-b. i was hoping to do rotations in either miami, fort laud, or as far north as west palm beach. think thats possible for lecom-b?

I do not know, sorry. I suggest you contact lecom-b and ask them. Maybe let them know that this particular factor is critical to your decision to attend lecom-b or not. Let them know it's important to you. Also ask lecom-b grads in sdn and outside sdn.

considering lecom-b is based in florida and has local ties there, I wouldn't be surprised if you could do that but please confirm.
 
Nova is great. If it was PBL i'd go there 100%. I just hate lectures. if i can't do my last 2 years rotations at LECOM-B in south florida i will prob choose nova though. i think either way, can't go wrong. both are great schools with great matches.

well i am trying to decide. i like PBL a lot but wanna do my clinical rotations last 2 years in south florida... bradenton is 3 1/2 hrs from fort lauderdale so its not very far but if i can't do my rotations last 2 years down south, i will likely choose nsu....
The majority, maybe the large majority, of core rotations at NSU are in south Florida. I think the majority of those spots are through Mt. Sinai, Broward Health, and the Palm Beach Consortium, which are all teaching hospitals or hospital systems with multiple residencies. I highly, highly doubt that one random dude on the internet with bad grammar is indicative of the quality of teaching. I have only ever heard of these sites as being one of the strong points of the NSU education.

I don't know anything about setting up third year here through LECOM-B, but it could be difficult. Miami, NSU, FAU, and FIU are all based here and have agreements with all of the teaching hospitals. Larkin is apparently opening an Osteopathic school, as well.
 
One of the hospitalists where I work went to Lecom-b. Said they actually chose Lecom over USF bc they had the option to live with parents at the time which saved money. If I recall correctly they rotated in st. pete and did residency in st. pete. According to this doctor, once you got into the thick of PBL you were only at school about 3 days a week. Something like monday PBL, next day review all topics at home, then PBL Wednesday, and repeat. This was very attractive bc they preferred to review at home and spend less time at campus anyways. For courses like anatomy that was a daily lecture based style though which was usually at the beginning of a block.. like x amount of weeks of those classes with some PBL and then you went into mostly PBL. Supposedly there were nontrads who even worked because of the PBL schedule. This doc didn't have anything terrible to say about Lecom-b just that it was a means to an end. It was the right pick for their situation ie I think location and saving money was a big factor. This is obviously just word of mouth but still interesting to hear.

Rules aren't really a big deal imo. Now if they make a fuss about your car breaking down and not making it I'd be a bit annoyed. Just make sure you're not breaking the rules consistently. I'm mostly a stickler for rules and I think that's because I played baseball the majority of my life. Show up looking professional, do your work and get the job done and do what you're told. Simple as that. And if you don't... well go run sprints until you throw up and then run some more 😛 I'm actually shocked at how many people around me in my prereq classes are rude, don't listen or follow rules well, show up late consistently... just overall act/seem unprofessional. I wouldn't want that person taking care of me.
 
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Don't know. However, I'd like to hear more about clinical rotation experience from NSU students. Anyone care to share?

Any NSU com students? Neko? @NeuroLAX All nsu com docs I met haven't said these things.

I'm an M2, so I haven't had any experience with rotations. But I can honestly say that I haven't heard M3's, M4's, or even NSU grads say anything that negative about their rotation experience here.

We recently had a rotations meeting where faculty gave us this info packet and went through the process of how you get assigned to rotations. They also went through all the Core Campus rotation sites. Some of them- like Mt. Sinai and Largo, are 700-bed statutory teaching hospitals with a good amount of affiliated residency programs. Larkin is another option in Dade County and is the largest osteopathic teaching hospital in the US. If you're interested in OMM, Orlando is supposed to be a good option. From the meeting it sounded like the rotations are solid and the upperclassmen I've talked to have had positive things to say about their rotation experience. Anyway, that's all I have. I'm sure NeuroLAX can provide more anecdotal experience.
 
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Do a search on Larkin's programs. It doesn't have a good reputation on here.
 
One of the hospitalists where I work went to Lecom-b. Said they actually chose Lecom over USF bc they had the option to live with parents at the time which saved money. If I recall correctly they rotated in st. pete and did residency in st. pete. According to this doctor, once you got into the thick of PBL you were only at school about 3 days a week. Something like monday PBL, next day review all topics at home, then PBL Wednesday, and repeat. This was very attractive bc they preferred to review at home and spend less time at campus anyways. For courses like anatomy that was a daily lecture based style though which was usually at the beginning of a block.. like x amount of weeks of those classes with some PBL and then you went into mostly PBL. Supposedly there were nontrads who even worked because of the PBL schedule. This doc didn't have anything terrible to say about Lecom-b just that it was a means to an end. It was the right pick for their situation ie I think location and saving money was a big factor. This is obviously just word of mouth but still interesting to hear.

Rules aren't really a big deal imo. Now if they make a fuss about your car breaking down and not making it I'd be a bit annoyed. Just make sure you're not breaking the rules consistently. I'm mostly a stickler for rules and I think that's because I played baseball the majority of my life. Show up looking professional, do your work and get the job done and do what you're told. Simple as that. And if you don't... well go run sprints until you throw up and then run some more 😛 I'm actually shocked at how many people around me in my prereq classes are rude, don't listen or follow rules well, show up late consistently... just overall act/seem unprofessional. I wouldn't want that person taking care of me.

That's insane and I honestly wouldn't believe her. The 2 schools are literally 45 mins away from each other. Aside from the fact USF is a much older and respected state school that is very cheap, you also have the option of rotating in Tampa General and other hospitals in the area as opposed to LECOM-B and their lottery system for rotations and the match lists for the 2 aren't comparable. I have a hard time believing someone passing up USF for LECOM-B because they wanted to save ~600$ a month even if their goal is primary care.
 
skip, do you know if i can do south florida entirely for the last 2 years at lecom-b. i was hoping to do rotations in either miami, fort laud, or as far north as west palm beach. think thats possible for lecom-b?

okay, according to @kinca005 who is a current LECOM-B student, you can set up all your rotations at your area of choice as long as you don't mind cold-calling. I'm glad you can still meet your heart's desire through LECOM-B (and save 100k to boot!!).
 
okay, according to @kinca005 who is a current LECOM-B student, you can set up all your rotations at your area of choice as long as you don't mind cold-calling. I'm glad you can still meet your heart's desire through LECOM-B (and save 100k to boot!!).
You are correct [emoji6]

Ive pretty much set up all my rotations in San Diego. I didn't get the year long rotation so I decided to do things myself.
It's pretty easy: Google whatever doctor specialty and start calling
Make sure to get an email and fax
And FOLLOW UP!
 

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You are correct [emoji6]

Ive pretty much set up all my rotations in San Diego. I didn't get the year long rotation so I decided to do things myself.
It's pretty easy: Google whatever doctor specialty and start calling
Make sure to get an email and fax
And FOLLOW UP!

Who knows what kind of quality you're getting with it? This sounds awful. Stick with nsucom.
 
okay, according to @kinca005 who is a current LECOM-B student, you can set up all your rotations at your area of choice as long as you don't mind cold-calling. I'm glad you can still meet your heart's desire through LECOM-B (and save 100k to boot!!).
Psychic already stating that he wouldn't be saving money because of living expenses at Tampa that aren't present at NSU. So not only is psychic not saving money but is less likely to get rotations in the preferred area of fort Lauderdale compared to nsucom. Its an easy decision for him. He is free to make a mistake though
 
Quality in what sense?

Quality of the rotations. Is it a teaching hospital? Do they have residents? Are you just following a doctor around? Is there something that you are being taught/lectured on every day? Or is it something where if you happen to see something when following a doc around. If you are just calling around hoping to get something then I would say that is no good since you are unsure of quality of what you are getting.
 
I have TONS of friends who graduated from USF med school around the same time I graduated from LECOM. I would NOT have changed place with them. My first two years were stronger...no question. PBL is simply a better learning pipeline than watching videos online all day. My buddies admitted that the lectures were pretty weak by our undergrad standards. PBL teaches you to learn on your own and develop your own system of learning. I used that methods throughout medical school, internship, now my utilization tour, and I'll do it again through residency.

They got to rotate through Tampa General Hospital for the entire third year. It was a sound learning environment. Meanwhile I got to go to a number of smaller teaching hospitals, along with large military teaching hospitals. Did I miss out on rare pathology? Maybe. But did I know bread and butter medicine? Absolutely. Was I behind when I got to internship in Internal Medicine? No...I was ahead because I had been through so many hospitals with so many hospital processes that I was able to quickly adapt to my new environment.

I believe that my USF buddies got a sound education but I would not have done my education any differently.
 
Its actually been pretty badass.

Doesn't matter where u do your rotations, it matters how hard u work to get the most out of it.
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I see where you're coming from but I still want good opportunities at the same time. I agree that what you put into it is what you're gonna get out though.
 
I see where you're coming from but I still want good opportunities at the same time. I agree that what you put into it is what you're gonna get out though.
What Ive found is that doctors that take on students that "cold call" actually want students. I would ask them if there are any research opportunities, if there were any interesting cases they would find a doctor working on the case and get me involved somehow. They really help to find educational opportunities. You also develop a more sincere relationship with your attending and they are more likely to write a good LOR.

One of the docs I worked with wrote me a LOR to GET INTO MED SCHOOL. Now I came back to rotate with him. I will most likely ask him for a LOR later this year.
A surgeon I worked with: I just emailed randomly and just asked nicely if I could rotate with him. 2 months later I wanted to be a surgeon, and at the same time, rip his guts out, and not be a surgeon, and thank him for all the humiliation he gave me in the OR. He was my first 2 months of rotation and I still keep in touch with him. We are currently working on research.

Another doc I found because I was introduced by the surgeon.

WOM bro.

My case may be unique and I may have been lucky with physicians but that's me.
 
What Ive found is that doctors that take on students that "cold call" actually want students. I would ask them if there are any research opportunities, if there were any interesting cases they would find a doctor working on the case and get me involved somehow. They really help to find educational opportunities. You also develop a more sincere relationship with your attending and they are more likely to write a good LOR.

One of the docs I worked with wrote me a LOR to GET INTO MED SCHOOL. Now I came back to rotate with him. I will most likely ask him for a LOR later this year.
A surgeon I worked with: I just emailed randomly and just asked nicely if I could rotate with him. 2 months later I wanted to be a surgeon, and at the same time, rip his guts out, and not be a surgeon, and thank him for all the humiliation he gave me in the OR. He was my first 2 months of rotation and I still keep in touch with him. We are currently working on research.

Another doc I found because I was introduced by the surgeon.

WOM bro.

My case may be unique and I may have been lucky with physicians but that's me.

I think its awesome you have had good experiences and I am happy for you. I was hoping for slightly different experiences however.
 
Like what? I don't understand what experiences you're looking for.

I was hoping to be in a teaching hospital with residents with more of a structured curriculum of what we would be learning as opposed to hanging around a doctor.
 
That's insane and I honestly wouldn't believe her. The 2 schools are literally 45 mins away from each other. Aside from the fact USF is a much older and respected state school that is very cheap, you also have the option of rotating in Tampa General and other hospitals in the area as opposed to LECOM-B and their lottery system for rotations and the match lists for the 2 aren't comparable. I have a hard time believing someone passing up USF for LECOM-B because they wanted to save ~600$ a month even if their goal is primary care.

As someone who has driven from tampa to fort myers and everywhere in between many a time for my job I will say the commute from Lecom-b to tampa or fort myers is closer to an hour and a half. Maybe 15-20 minutes less coming from Tampa. But that's not including when we are in season. And that drive every day or even a few times a week can become exhausting. I've been doing Fort Myers to Sarasota and Tampa to Sarasota for over a year and I'm beat. But anyways, I did find it surprising what they said about choosing usf over the other. But as a non trad I would never underestimate the power of saving any bit of money you can. Plus, they may have simply felt it was a better fit for them academically or they felt they could've attained their goals at either school so they chose the closer one. Every day I'm learning that I value my time and money more and I would take an acceptance at whatever school is most convenient in a heartbeat. Anyways, I don't really see any reason for this person to straight up lie to me at 11 at night at work. What benefit is it to them if some random nurse knows they could've had their choice between usf or lecom? Every person is different and while I don't think the majority of people would've chosen lecom over usf, I don't find it so hard to fathom that someone did.

Also, I fill my tank pretty much every week. 50-60 dollars right there bc of the commute. Tampa is definitely more expensive than Bradenton or Fort Myers so lets say 600/month which is what I pay here vs zero living with family. Plus the time driving a minimum of an hour fifteen every day. Like I said, I drive at least an hour and half to go to work and it sucks. That's a ton of time and money wasted especially if you've taken out loans and add in interest. Also, I leave early to make sure I don't arrive late because of traffic or whatever. I wind up getting to work at least an hour early. So much time wasted. I dunno if that's just a me thing or if nontrads maybe value time more but man I hate more than anything how much time I waste on the road at this point in my life. I would without a doubt pick the most convenient and cheapest option available to me.

But anyways, the meat of my original post was supposed to be about the curriculum. PBL 3 days a week (if that's actually how it is) sounds quite interesting and appealing to me and that's something that this doctor said they really liked as well. They weren't very interested in sitting in a classroom all day and going to low yield lectures.
 
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I was hoping to be in a teaching hospital with residents with more of a structured curriculum of what we would be learning as opposed to hanging around a doctor.
Well if that's what you're looking for, I'm not your man. Lol!
The only time I will be doing that is when I go to military hospitals. I haven't been lucky with teaching hospitals here. Although I was able to follow a couple family med residents when I was with the surgeon. He was like: "go with the residents for today to see what it's like." I honestly felt like I got more with the attending but that's just me.
Then again, it was a limited time I was with the residents.
 
Well if that's what you're looking for, I'm not your man. Lol!
The only time I will be doing that is when I go to military hospitals. I haven't been lucky with teaching hospitals here. Although I was able to follow a couple family med residents when I was with the surgeon. He was like: "go with the residents for today to see what it's like." I honestly felt like I got more with the attending but that's just me.
Then again, it was a limited time I was with the residents.

I get what you're saying and am glad you got what you wanted. I'm sure I'm gonna be in both situations through out medical school but was hoping to find a good teaching hospital and stick around there for as long as I can. I think that would be what's best for my overall education.
 
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