Numbers don't seem to add up.

[IvanMDMD]

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Hey guys. I am fairly new here, learning about his forum ~few weeks ago.

I was reading through Ross website and found this.

"[FONT=Arial,Sans-Serif]Ross University School of Medicine (and Ross University in general) will celebrate our 30th anniversary in 2008. Our first class was comprised of 11 students. Our 2007 graduating class numbered almost 700 students!"

700 students??? OMG??

But when I check their match results for 2007.. I only see ~360 matches. That's only ~50% match..

How about other 340 students? Did they not match? Is that an average match numbers for caribbean school? 50%??

Can anyone explain this for me? Thanks in advance.
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[IvanMDMD]

Bump for some clarification and your input.

thanks

 

[Faebinder]

Hey guys. I am fairly new here, learning about his forum ~few weeks ago.

I was reading through Ross website and found this.

"[FONT=Arial,Sans-Serif]Ross University School of Medicine (and Ross University in general) will celebrate our 30th anniversary in 2008. Our first class was comprised of 11 students. Our 2007 graduating class numbered almost 700 students!"

700 students??? OMG??

But when I check their match results for 2007.. I only see ~360 matches. That's only ~50% match..

How about other 340 students? Did they not match? Is that an average match numbers for caribbean school? 50%??

Can anyone explain this for me? Thanks in advance.
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That's about right for all carribean schools... check www.nrmp.org You'll see that for US IMGs only 50% match successfully. It's a coin toss to go to the carribbean.

 

[Meatwad]

Also realize students can attain a residency outside of the match, meaning they won't contribute to that. From what I've read, seems like a lot of Caribbean students go this route.

 

[IvanMDMD]

Also realize students can attain a residency outside of the match, meaning they won't contribute to that. From what I've read, seems like a lot of Caribbean students go this route.

I am sorry but would you mind clarifying that for me? Even if you don't match through the usual process, you can still attain residency? Are these primary care positions (FP, IM, Peds etc.)??

Thanks.

This process of becoming a physician can be a serious pain in the arse. 🙂

 

[McGillGrad]

To add to Billy Sexcrime's post, there are two main reasons why only 300-360 people show up on the match list.

First, the previously mentioned pre-match allows people to sign outside of the match.

Secondly, and more importantly, Ross students volunteer their match information to the school for publication. That means that if half of the class does not want to tell Ross where they matched, then Ross will leave those people out, even though they matched somewhere.

 

[McGillGrad]

That's about right for all carribean schools... check www.nrmp.org You'll see that for US IMGs only 50% match successfully. It's a coin toss to go to the carribbean.

You are misconstruing the statistics. This 50% includes all foreign med school grads who enter the match. This includes people from all over the world and those who cannot speak English that well and those who went to sketchy med schools. If the statistics were redone for the better 4-6 Carib schools, the match rate would be much higher.

 

[Meatwad]

I am sorry but would you mind clarifying that for me? Even if you don't match through the usual process, you can still attain residency? Are these primary care positions (FP, IM, Peds etc.)??

Thanks.

This process of becoming a physician can be a serious pain in the arse. 🙂

It's just that; accepting a residency before the match. Either you could ask the hospital if they would consider you for a reisdency position outside of the match, or if you were a really strong candidate, the hospital could ask you if you'd like a position outside the match.

I don't see why this would be limited to primary care, however, it seems most likely. I wouldn't expect derm, plastics, rads, ent, ortho, ophtho, neurosurg, etc. that desperate to get some decent people into their program to the point where they'd pre-match someone from the Caribbean. I'm sure it's been done before, though.

 

[Faebinder]

You are misconstruing the statistics. This 50% includes all foreign med school grads who enter the match. This includes people from all over the world and those who cannot speak English that well and those who went to sketchy med schools. If the statistics were redone for the better 4-6 Carib schools, the match rate would be much higher.

Page 11 clearly says 50% of US IMGs. Sure that can include a US citizen who graduated from India, but most of the US citizens that go to foreign schools are carribean.. now if you want to narrow it down to 4 schools... well in that case you need to pick up some of the green cards and non-US citizens that also go to the schools and that are present in the data below the data I referenced on page 11. The unreported matching are a minority especially since the schools try to help (or claim to try) their graduates get positions, so they know who didnt match.

 

[bulletproof]

Hey guys. I am fairly new here, learning about his forum ~few weeks ago.

I was reading through Ross website and found this.

"[FONT=Arial,Sans-Serif]Ross University School of Medicine (and Ross University in general) will celebrate our 30th anniversary in 2008. Our first class was comprised of 11 students. Our 2007 graduating class numbered almost 700 students!"

700 students??? OMG??

But when I check their match results for 2007.. I only see ~360 matches. That's only ~50% match..

How about other 340 students? Did they not match? Is that an average match numbers for caribbean school? 50%??

Can anyone explain this for me? Thanks in advance.
.

I agree with others that some of those individuals may have prematched or matched outside of the NRMP match.
I am not sure about this, but when Ross states they have 700 students graduating in 2007, they are probably also including those set to graduate in November 2007 (myself included). Most everyone from my starting class ( jan 2004 ) are graduating at this time, and we will be in the 2008 match cycle, even though technically we will have graduated in 2007.

I am busy with ERAS info. at the moment, so hopefully someone with more time can give you a definitive answer. In any event I can assure you we did not have 340 individuals go through the match and end up unmatched in 2007.

 

[McGillGrad]

Page 11 clearly says 50% of US IMGs. Sure that can include a US citizen who graduated from India, but most of the US citizens that go to foreign schools are carribean.. now if you want to narrow it down to 4 schools... well in that case you need to pick up some of the green cards and non-US citizens that also go to the schools and that are present in the data below the data I referenced on page 11. The unreported matching are a minority especially since the schools try to help (or claim to try) their graduates get positions, so they know who didnt match.

Right under it is says non-US grads were at 54% unmatched. My statements still stands since 50% is not significantly different than 54%.

Unreported matches apply to school match results posted on their websites, not on the NRMP site since they own that stats. Once again, due to privacy issues (according to the schools) the reporting is voluntary).

 

[alphahelix]

Hey guys. I am fairly new here, learning about his forum ~few weeks ago.

I was reading through Ross website and found this.

"[FONT=Arial,Sans-Serif]Ross University School of Medicine (and Ross University in general) will celebrate our 30th anniversary in 2008. Our first class was comprised of 11 students. Our 2007 graduating class numbered almost 700 students!"

700 students??? OMG??

But when I check their match results for 2007.. I only see ~360 matches. That's only ~50% match..

How about other 340 students? Did they not match? Is that an average match numbers for caribbean school? 50%??

Can anyone explain this for me? Thanks in advance.
.

It actually includes the number of grads from the Ross U. Vet School also. If you'd look into the statement, it said " Ross University School of Medicine (and Ross University in general)". Also, some grads from the SOM prefer not to send their match results back to Ross.