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AANA withdraws 'nurse anesthesiologist' trademark applications after ASA opposition - Becker’s ASC

The American Association of Nurse Anesthesiology has withdrawn two trademark applications incorporating the term “nurse anesthesiologist” following opposition proceedings brought by the American Society of Anesthesiologists before the U.S. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board. AANA filed motions to...

www.beckersasc.com

 

[aneftp]

If u read the aana website they said individuals nurses can still use the term at the state level.

“
Would the marks have protected individual members?

No. The marks would have applied only to an AANA business entity operating under the protected names. They would not have applied to individual AANA members, state associations, or other organizations. “

https://www.aana.com/news/update-on-trademark-registrations-and-faq/

 

[cittykat]

Too bad the ASA didn’t trademark the word “anesthesiologist” decades ago. That’s the world we created for ourselves.

 

[amyl]

Yea the AANA Facebook post about this was quite snarky.

 

[aneftp]

Yea the AANA Facebook post about this was quite snarky.

When the nurses operate at a point where they can’t lose. They don’t really care. They push the limits what they think they can ask for

It’s like me throwing some random I want 10k a day for 8-10 hrs of work. If they say no. I don’t care. It may piss off some people but at the end of the day I lose nothing

That’s the way the aana acts. “Practice to the top of their license ideology”. If the top of the top do their license is to practice exactly like an anesthesiologist which they want to be called. So be it is their motto.

 

[NPJR]

It's all so dumb and emblematic on how this country is managed.
How on God's green earth is a nurse better trained than an Anesthesiologist (DOctor of Medicine) and treated on equal footing? and better yet people have no compunction legislating and writing in public journals on this topic like it's a foregone conclusion. Worse even is the NP issue. That is even nuttier.
How does one look at these issues and see how they are treated by our politicians and leadership and still take anything that these ass clowns say seriously? on any subject. How can one be bullish on the future if they cant even handle this issue- which is ****ing easy to deal with.

Happy 4th. I gotta go, Trump is coming on.

 

[Teillard]

No dog in this fight...at all...retiring a multi-millionaire very soon (thank you MDA's). But on a socio-cultural, 35,000 ft view, if you endorsed the delusional race/gender ideology that has consumed cultural hubs across the world, let alone the medical profession, you only have yourselves to blame. It's more absurd within some medical staff offices than a lot of far left state legislatures. Once identity is whatever the individual says it is, it is. Nothing is contained in a vacuum. The progressive zeitgeist doesn't care what it destroys. If a nurse says she's a 'doctor', doctor it is.

“...at the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe and of the mystery of human life.” Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[painquestions8989]

Every day we push the best & brightest further away from medicine. Finance it is.

 

[Gern Blansten]

No dog in this fight...at all...retiring a multi-millionaire very soon (thank you MDA's).

Wait…you took money intended for Jerry’s kids?!?!

 

[cittykat]

No dog in this fight...at all...retiring a multi-millionaire very soon (thank you MDA's). But on a socio-cultural, 35,000 ft view, if you endorsed the delusional race/gender ideology that has consumed cultural hubs across the world, let alone the medical profession, you only have yourselves to blame. It's more absurd within some medical staff offices than a lot of far left state legislatures. Once identity is whatever the individual says it is, it is. Nothing is contained in a vacuum. The progressive zeitgeist doesn't care what it destroys. If a nurse says she's a 'doctor', doctor it is.

“...at the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe and of the mystery of human life.” Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Mman]

No dog in this fight...at all...retiring a multi-millionaire very soon (thank you MDA's). But on a socio-cultural, 35,000 ft view, if you endorsed the delusional race/gender ideology that has consumed cultural hubs across the world, let alone the medical profession, you only have yourselves to blame. It's more absurd within some medical staff offices than a lot of far left state legislatures. Once identity is whatever the individual says it is, it is. Nothing is contained in a vacuum. The progressive zeitgeist doesn't care what it destroys. If a nurse says she's a 'doctor', doctor it is.

“...at the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe and of the mystery of human life.” Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Sorry, not sorry.

what I feel everybody somebody types out "MDA". The rest of the post confirmed.

 

[Teillard]

what I feel everybody somebody types out "MDA". The rest of the post confirmed.

Started my practice in a care team at a time and place where 'MDA' was not a pejorative. Physicians called themselves that. Kind of a dog whistle now and it ties in to the point of my OP which is the medical establishments embrace of progressive ideology just enabled the blurring of reality that people are taking such issue with now. And complete lack of self awareness is a defining characteristic of progressive ideology. Own it or don't, but that's the origin of Nurse Anesthesiologists.

 

[Lab Lover]

Started my practice in a care team at a time and place where 'MDA' was not a pejorative. Physicians called themselves that. Kind of a dog whistle now and it ties in to the point of my OP which is the medical establishments embrace of progressive ideology just enabled the blurring of reality that people are taking such issue with now. And complete lack of self awareness is a defining characteristic of progressive ideology. Own it or don't, but that's the origin of Nurse Anesthesiologists.

Eh, maybe. But turf frictions between MD/NP/AA/PA have been a much more of a thing in recent decades in all specialties. The animosity between MDs and CRNAs is about the most acrimonious. Almost all anesthesiologists see there terms MDA, Nurse anesthesiologist, CRNA trainees referred to as "residents", etc. as disrespectful and hostile. Some docs , particularly those in weak departments let ti go. But I assure you that most of us really don't like it. Be honest, the only reason that CRNAs and other NPs use those terms is because they sound better and might be useful of convincing others of their skills. "Anesthesia nurse" and anesthesia nursing student are tit for tat and out there.

 

[Mman]

Started my practice in a care team at a time and place where 'MDA' was not a pejorative. Physicians called themselves that. Kind of a dog whistle now and it ties in to the point of my OP which is the medical establishments embrace of progressive ideology just enabled the blurring of reality that people are taking such issue with now. And complete lack of self awareness is a defining characteristic of progressive ideology. Own it or don't, but that's the origin of Nurse Anesthesiologists.

It was a pejorative 20 years ago and I have never seen a physician use it to describe themselves ever. Are DOs supposed to be DOAs? The origin of nurse anesthesiologist is the same as the drive for CRNA programs to be DNP so they can call themselves doctors.

 

[Teillard]

It was a pejorative 20 years ago and I have never seen a physician use it to describe themselves ever. Are DOs supposed to be DOAs? The origin of nurse anesthesiologist is the same as the drive for CRNA programs to be DNP so they can call themselves doctors.

I started more than 30 years ago and I did hear it, often, and I don't care and am not trying to justify one way or the other about the term. Not my point and I'm sorry for using it as it just distracted from what I was saying in the first place which was ignored anyway...and I guess I just don't care. Good luck with your fight.

 

[Iso4ane]

If cRNas are so proud of their background, they should have no qualms if it was required that everyone had to wear a badge tag with which Board they report to. MD/DO/AAs would wear a Medicine tag, and cRNas would wear a Nursing tag.

 

[aneftp]

If cRNas are so proud of their background, they should have no qualms if it was required that everyone had to wear a badge tag with which Board they report to. MD/DO/AAs would wear a Medicine tag, and cRNas would wear a Nursing tag.

Most crnas I know think the nurse anesthesiologist name is silly.

U would be surprised many crnas do not like the aana either. As always the 10% who are pro independent practice /pro nurse anesthesiologist are always the loudest in the room creating chaos.

Very similar to common anesthesiologists
who don’t browse these boards often and they think every doc should be making 700-800k and working 40 hrs a week with 10 weeks off

Or making 2 million a year as locums.

 

[NPJR]

Most crnas I know think the nurse anesthesiologist name is silly.

U would be surprised many crnas do not like the aana either. As always the 10% who are pro independent practice /pro nurse anesthesiologist are always the loudest in the room creating chaos.

Very similar to common anesthesiologists
who don’t browse these boards often and they think every doc should be making 700-800k and working 40 hrs a week with 10 weeks off

Or making 2 million a year as locums.

Ive heard this sentiment before of only a minority of crnas wanting independent practice. I work solo now sitting the stools 100 percent of the time but my last job i worked with crnas. Most of them were over confident independent types who embraced the koolaid of the AANA. So dont be fooled many of them want independent practice.

 

[aneftp]

Ive heard this sentiment before of only a minority of crnas wanting independent practice. I work solo now sitting the stools 100 percent of the time but my last job i worked with crnas. Most of them were over confident independent types who embraced the koolaid of the AANA. So dont be fooled many of them want independent practice.

They only want independent practice along with md money.

When you adjust crna income with doctor hours. The delta is very similar

Can you image asking a crna to work 84 hrs in one week with 2 weeks off. They would demand 44 hours at 1.5x each week they would.

So it’s all a game with independent practice.

 

[aneftp]

These are the things brand new not even graduated srna post on locums forums

Just posted
“
I’m currently a senior in my CRNA training. I'm approximately 9 months away from graduating.

Most of my clinical training has taken place on the west coast, primarily at independent, CRNA-only practice sites. This experience has allowed me to become comfortable with a broad range of anesthetic techniques and practice with a high degree of autonomy.

To date, I have completed >120 labor epidurals, >100 spinal anesthetics, and >100 peripheral nerve blocks (mostly; TAP, adductor canal, popliteal, interscalene with and without catheters, supraclavicular, and rectus sheath blocks). I still have 9 months of clinical training remaining and am eager to continue expanding my skills before graduation.

I am beginning to explore CRNA opportunities starting late summer 2027 within a reasonable distance from New York City. Ideally, I would be interested in a 2-weeks-on, 2-weeks-off schedule. I would also consider a position involving 6-7x 24-hour shifts per month doing mostly OB.

Although I may be starting my search early, my goal is to find a supportive practice where I can continue developing clinically, and where I can stay long-term.

Please feel free to reach out if you are aware of any opportunities that may be a good fit.”

 

[cittykat]

These are the things brand new not even graduated srna post on locums forums

Just posted
“
I’m currently a senior in my CRNA training. I'm approximately 9 months away from graduating.

Most of my clinical training has taken place on the west coast, primarily at independent, CRNA-only practice sites. This experience has allowed me to become comfortable with a broad range of anesthetic techniques and practice with a high degree of autonomy.

To date, I have completed >120 labor epidurals, >100 spinal anesthetics, and >100 peripheral nerve blocks (mostly; TAP, adductor canal, popliteal, interscalene with and without catheters, supraclavicular, and rectus sheath blocks). I still have 9 months of clinical training remaining and am eager to continue expanding my skills before graduation.

I am beginning to explore CRNA opportunities starting late summer 2027 within a reasonable distance from New York City. Ideally, I would be interested in a 2-weeks-on, 2-weeks-off schedule. I would also consider a position involving 6-7x 24-hour shifts per month doing mostly OB.

Although I may be starting my search early, my goal is to find a supportive practice where I can continue developing clinically, and where I can stay long-term.

Please feel free to reach out if you are aware of any opportunities that may be a good fit.”

Very reasonable post. Too bad for that poster that tri state area (NY/NJ/CT) is not opt out.

 

[aneftp]

Very reasonable post. Too bad for that poster that tri state area (NY/NJ/CT) is not opt out.

It’s not reasonable.

Re read what they wrote. They need a supportive environment. That’s not independent practice. It’s insane these soon to be new grads are making these demands. Wanting 24 hr locums gigs and needing help.

 

[Lab Lover]

It’s not reasonable.

Re read what they wrote. They need a supportive environment. That’s not independent practice. It’s insane these soon to be new grads are making these demands. Wanting 24 hr locums gigs and needing help.

"supportive environment" means fire department and liability lightning rod

 

[NPJR]

Very reasonable post. Too bad for that poster that tri state area (NY/NJ/CT) is not opt out.

vermont is. Lead them that way

 

[NPJR]

These are the things brand new not even graduated srna post on locums forums

Just posted
“
I’m currently a senior in my CRNA training. I'm approximately 9 months away from graduating.

Most of my clinical training has taken place on the west coast, primarily at independent, CRNA-only practice sites. This experience has allowed me to become comfortable with a broad range of anesthetic techniques and practice with a high degree of autonomy.

To date, I have completed >120 labor epidurals, >100 spinal anesthetics, and >100 peripheral nerve blocks (mostly; TAP, adductor canal, popliteal, interscalene with and without catheters, supraclavicular, and rectus sheath blocks). I still have 9 months of clinical training remaining and am eager to continue expanding my skills before graduation.

I am beginning to explore CRNA opportunities starting late summer 2027 within a reasonable distance from New York City. Ideally, I would be interested in a 2-weeks-on, 2-weeks-off schedule. I would also consider a position involving 6-7x 24-hour shifts per month doing mostly OB.

Although I may be starting my search early, my goal is to find a supportive practice where I can continue developing clinically, and where I can stay long-term.

Please feel free to reach out if you are aware of any opportunities that may be a good fit.”

she drank the AANA Kool aid

 

[aneftp]

"supportive environment" means fire department and liability lightning rod

While getting 400-500k 1099 still learning on the job pay.