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dodo24 said:
does anyone know nycom's first time passing rate for the comlex????????????????
Be very careful when judging a school by it's pass/fail rate. A more accurate indicator may be the average mean. I sat through a presentation by the NBOME last year and they had anonymous rankings of the schools and demographics, the schools themselves were of course unlabeled. The school with the highest pass rate was actually like #12 in terms of average mean, which lots of people passed, but few actually did really well. The school with the highest mean was like #7 or 8 in terms of pass rate, which meant many did well, but some failed also... more of a wide-spread curve.

You will pass the boards at any school you go to, granted YOU do the work. You can go to harvard and fail the boards if you do nothing. Medical school is what YOU make out of it... go somewhere, be happy, and you'll do very well on the boards. Nuff said.
 

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Around 40 people failed the COMLEX last year.
 

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It is a relevant question. I did hear that this year NYCOM students fared poorly on the COMLEX Level 1 examination. This, combined with the continued hemorrhaging of quality clinical rotation sites suggest to me that NYCOM is on a decline.
 

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And this thread is from 2005...
It's well known at the school, administration and faculty have not kept it a secret. This year, they introduced more PBL style active learning into the second and first year curricululm, hoping to avoid so many failures again. The new Dean just announced that officially, classroom attendance is no longer mandatory, and there will be more self-guided, independent learning (watch the prerrecorded lectures on your own, read more textbooks, spend less time physically in the classroom).

I don't know why so many people failed the boards in the Class of 2014 but it's no secret that NYCOM's preclinical years are rough and too detail-oriented, and they "do not teach to the boards." NYCOM refuses to do what other schools have begun doing, which is do away with Professor-written exams and move toward NBME/NBOME style exams, which actually test a student on relevant information and hence prepare one for the boards.
 

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Do you have any advice for students in the entering class of 2013?
Your curriculum may change even more, so the only advice I can give you first and foremost is: be organized, and reference board review books here and there as you go along, but don't make it a priority in first year because obviously you need to pass your courses first.
Everyone has different opinions on how to study for boards so I will just say don't even think about that at this point, too soon. Except, it's nice to get a First Aid book just to keep it handy and reference throughout the year, but obviously the notes your professors give you should always supersede any other info. in terms of passing NYCOM exams and getting a question correct.

There is a new dean that was just installed a month ago so time will tell how further the curriculum will change and how that will impact board scores. NYCOM is not easy but if you manage your time really well, stay organized, and study hard you should be okay for doing well at the school. As for boards, I think the USMLE is very popular at the school but what people don't realize is that COMLEX and USMLE are different tests and need to be approached differently...you can kill the USMLE but if you fail the COMLEX, well, you're screwed lol. So, maybe so many people failed last year because they were preparing more for USMLE but not the COMLEX? Not sure. Either way, don't worry about board studying now. Again, be organized at school and reference First Aid to get familiar with it if you have time. If not, don't stress it. As people always told me, no point in studying for boards too early if you can't pass the classes first.

Hopefully the new dean will make positive changes and the pass rate will be higher once again.
 

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Your curriculum may change even more, so the only advice I can give you first and foremost is: be organized, and reference board review books here and there as you go along, but don't make it a priority in first year because obviously you need to pass your courses first.
Everyone has different opinions on how to study for boards so I will just say don't even think about that at this point, too soon. Except, it's nice to get a First Aid book just to keep it handy and reference throughout the year, but obviously the notes your professors give you should always supersede any other info. in terms of passing NYCOM exams and getting a question correct.

There is a new dean that was just installed a month ago so time will tell how further the curriculum will change and how that will impact board scores. NYCOM is not easy but if you manage your time really well, stay organized, and study hard you should be okay for doing well at the school. As for boards, I think the USMLE is very popular at the school but what people don't realize is that COMLEX and USMLE are different tests and need to be approached differently...you can kill the USMLE but if you fail the COMLEX, well, you're screwed lol. So, maybe so many people failed last year because they were preparing more for USMLE but not the COMLEX? Not sure. Either way, don't worry about board studying now. Again, be organized at school and reference First Aid to get familiar with it if you have time. If not, don't stress it. As people always told me, no point in studying for boards too early if you can't pass the classes first.

Hopefully the new dean will make positive changes and the pass rate will be higher once again.
Thank you for all of this information. Im glad classes are no longer mandatory. I will get all the prep books early and start to review them.
Did you take USMLE/ COMLEX yet? How would you study for the differently , just use separate books etc? Can you still take them close together ?
 

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It's well known at the school, administration and faculty have not kept it a secret. This year, they introduced more PBL style active learning into the second and first year curricululm, hoping to avoid so many failures again. The new Dean just announced that officially, classroom attendance is no longer mandatory, and there will be more self-guided, independent learning (watch the prerrecorded lectures on your own, read more textbooks, spend less time physically in the classroom).

I don't know why so many people failed the boards in the Class of 2014 but it's no secret that NYCOM's preclinical years are rough and too detail-oriented, and they "do not teach to the boards." NYCOM refuses to do what other schools have begun doing, which is do away with Professor-written exams and move toward NBME/NBOME style exams, which actually test a student on relevant information and hence prepare one for the boards.
I heard that nationally, the board pass rate was low this past year. Did anyone else hear that? It's interesting that NYCOM did away with their attendance policy. Other schools that had a low pass rate did the opposite. They're now requiring attendance.
 

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Hey all. I'm in the class of 2014 and thought I'd give my piece. I really enjoyed my pre-clinical years at NYCOM. I felt like a learned so much and felt well prepared from the material we learned in school.
That being said I probably studied like crazy the first two years and also learned a ton of new things while studying for boards.
But overall I was satisfied with the education that nycom gave me. Remember you have to work hard to learn medicine, you have to put a ton of work in to be successful

There were alot of failures this year, yes I heard it was 40. However there were consistently many failures in my class throughout the pre-clinical years. Many students were speculating it was due to the disparity to the type of students that were in my class. A ton of gunners vs a ton of slackers. Whatever it is I cannot blame nycom's education for anyone's failures i feel Nycom trained me well.
That being said

First aid step 1, pathoma, goljan audio and Uworld were the only resources I added to what I learned from NYCOM and felt very comfortable and did well on both comlex and usmle.
Take usmle first, take one day off, then just do savarese for 3 days max and take comlex and you'll be golden.
 

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Hey all. I'm in the class of 2014 and thought I'd give my piece. I really enjoyed my pre-clinical years at NYCOM. I felt like a learned so much and felt well prepared from the material we learned in school.
That being said I probably studied like crazy the first two years and also learned a ton of new things while studying for boards.
But overall I was satisfied with the education that nycom gave me. Remember you have to work hard to learn medicine, you have to put a ton of work in to be successful

There were alot of failures this year, yes I heard it was 40. However there were consistently many failures in my class throughout the pre-clinical years. Many students were speculating it was due to the disparity to the type of students that were in my class. A ton of gunners vs a ton of slackers. Whatever it is I cannot blame nycom's education for anyone's failures i feel Nycom trained me well.
That being said

First aid step 1, pathoma, goljan audio and Uworld were the only resources I added to what I learned from NYCOM and felt very comfortable and did well on both comlex and usmle.
Take usmle first, take one day off, then just do savarese for 3 days max and take comlex and you'll be golden.
thanks for the info, do you recommend taking both usmle and comlex? what are you looking to go into if you dont mind me asking?
 

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TAKE BOTH!!!! everyone I know who didn't take usmle regrets it now. It just opens so many more doors. Most programs will say we accept Comlex but Highly recommend usmle. That's not a very reassuring statement is it? lol

Anesthesia, Psych, Medicine. I like all three and still in my core rotations so I have time to decide.