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[amrturbo12]

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Hi All,
A couple months ago I interviewed at KCUMB and recently NYCOM. I was fortunate enough to get accepted to both. I received many other interviews but I dropped them as these schools seemed most fitting. Anyways if you guys could provide any information for me to make my decision it would be greatly appreciated!

KCUMB: Loved the campus, it was very innovative, a good size and seemed pretty progressive. I also liked the 92% statistic of top residency choice. As nice as the campus was I've heard the city is pretty sketchy. Class rooms were REALLY nice.

NYCOM: The 'campus' wasn't as nice seeing as it is like 3 buildings. However the match rate is VERY impressive and I am also a NY resident. The anatomy and physiology lab seemed pretty extensive too.

Anyways I'm brand new to this forum. I am also waitlisted at the University of Rochester Medical School but I would love to know what people's opinions are here. Thanks a lot guys!

 

[Prncssbuttercup]

A friend of mine went to KC and loved it, personally not sure how KC can be more sketchy than NYC or surrounding areas...

 

[lftbndlbrnchblk]

Personally, I would go to KCUMB. I know you're in New York for NYCOM but it doesn't mean much when it's just for two years. KCUMB, to me, is the better school. I almost went to the KCUMB but decided against it. People at the MD schools in KC look up to KCUMB. KU students are frequently seen studying with KCUMB students. UMKC is the other MD school and those are kids straight out of high school and nobody looks up to them.

Meanwhile, NYCOM has to go up against Cornell, Columbia, NYU, NYMC, etc etc for rotations, prestige and all kinds of things. Not to mention all the Caribbean schools. The problem is so bad in that regard, it made the news a few months ago in the New York Times. I wouldn't go to a DO school in New York right now, you'll just be forgotten.

 

[theone1979]

Personally, I would go to KCUMB. I know you're in New York for NYCOM but it doesn't mean much when it's just for two years. KCUMB, to me, is the better school. I almost went to the KCUMB but decided against it. People at the MD schools in KC look up to KCUMB. KU students are frequently seen studying with KCUMB students. UMKC is the other MD school and those are kids straight out of high school and nobody looks up to them.

Meanwhile, NYCOM has to go up against Cornell, Columbia, NYU, NYMC, etc etc for rotations, prestige and all kinds of things. Not to mention all the Caribbean schools. The problem is so bad in that regard, it made the news a few months ago in the New York Times. I wouldn't go to a DO school in New York right now, you'll just be forgotten.[/QUOTE


Sorry but I disagree with pretty much all of this. As far as rotations, yes there are many other med schools in the NYC area, but I don't think anyone can question the quality of NYCOM's rotations. They have very strong affiliations with a ton of hospitals in the NY and tri-state area.

I have been accepted to NYCOM but will likely be attending another school but I can tell you that the one thing that draws me to NYCOM is their extremely strong clinical rotations.

 

[NurWollen]

I would pick KCUMB in a heart beat.

 

[Longshanks]

A friend of mine went to KC and loved it, personally not sure how KC can be more sketchy than NYC or surrounding areas...

What? NYC is now big corporate America and Disney (except for the numerous mom & pop shops still surviving). It's totally safe. Nassau is completely sterile. The hard New York image is a left over relic from the 60s-early 90s. Orlando is a more dangerous city than NYC these days. Look at any crime statistics and demographics, you won't find an area with a lower crime rate for that population density (or at least very few other places). Violent crimes per capita are comparitively low. Other cities are much worse off both in terms of crime and infrastructure.

Personally, I would go to KCUMB. I know you're in New York for NYCOM but it doesn't mean much when it's just for two years. KCUMB, to me, is the better school. I almost went to the KCUMB but decided against it. People at the MD schools in KC look up to KCUMB. KU students are frequently seen studying with KCUMB students. UMKC is the other MD school and those are kids straight out of high school and nobody looks up to them.

Meanwhile, NYCOM has to go up against Cornell, Columbia, NYU, NYMC, etc etc for rotations, prestige and all kinds of things. Not to mention all the Caribbean schools. The problem is so bad in that regard, it made the news a few months ago in the New York Times. I wouldn't go to a DO school in New York right now, you'll just be forgotten.

Why the premium or focus on prestige? Whatever minor regional "prestige" there may be, let's be completely honest: you're not wowing anyone with "prestige" unless you go to a "top 20/25" (whatever that means) or maybe an ignorant patient if he/she only heard of your school because of a college football team.

You won't be forgotten as a student or lost in the mix. There's plenty of food to go around. The NYTimes article was about all the NY schools teaming up to lobby the State Assembly to ban Carib students from rotating, since the schools would like to increase their enrollment, which the Carib students are preventing. Columbia has already begun fixing their Carib issues with Harlem Hospital, which then helped out Touro. There's no reason to worry about the other NY schools. There are a ton of hospitals, both academic and community, in the Tri-State area (and many of them are quite good), and NYCOM has affiliations with many in the outer boroughs and Nassau, as well as a few upstate.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

KCUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No explanation need.🙂

 

[lftbndlbrnchblk]

What? NYC is now big corporate America and Disney (except for the numerous mom & pop shops still surviving). It's totally safe. Nassau is completely sterile. The hard New York image is a left over relic from the 60s-early 90s. Orlando is a more dangerous city than NYC these days. Look at any crime statistics and demographics, you won't find an area with a lower crime rate for that population density (or at least very few other places). Violent crimes per capita are comparitively low. Other cities are much worse off both in terms of crime and infrastructure.



Why the premium or focus on prestige? Whatever minor regional "prestige" there may be, let's be completely honest: you're not wowing anyone with "prestige" unless you go to a "top 20/25" (whatever that means) or maybe an ignorant patient if he/she only heard of your school because of a college football team.

You won't be forgotten as a student or lost in the mix. There's plenty of food to go around. The NYTimes article was about all the NY schools teaming up to lobby the State Assembly to ban Carib students from rotating, since the schools would like to increase their enrollment, which the Carib students are preventing. Columbia has already begun fixing their Carib issues with Harlem Hospital, which then helped out Touro. There's no reason to worry about the other NY schools. There are a ton of hospitals, both academic and community, in the Tri-State area (and many of them are quite good), and NYCOM has affiliations with many in the outer boroughs and Nassau, as well as a few upstate.

Oh, I'm not after prestige myself. It's just I work closely with docs and it seems that some students get lost in the shuffle when private DO grad has to compete with big name MD state school grad. Just what I've observed. But that's probably just a special case. I know that was the issue when AZCOM was first built rather quickly in AZ. No one wanted AZCOM students to rotate at hospitals and all of them required LCME 3rd and 4th years. Honestly, that only changed in recent years. It changed so much that I'm actually going to attend AZCOM. I don't know the climate well in NY, but from a distance it looked like Touro and NYCOM are small fish in a big, big pong. Perhaps, I'm very wrong about this and they have the same reputation that KCUMB has in Kansas City.

I'm not ragging on NYCOM or the success a DO can have in NY. I'll add this that KCUMB has a really cool curriculum, which I think is unique amongst DO schools. There's one reason to choose KCUMB. I actually don't know what NYCOM's curriculum is like, to be perfectly honest. I know I wish that the AZCOM curriculum mirrored the KCUMB curriculum but it won't keep me from going there even though it isn't.

 

[fluffy0]

KCUMB and NYCOM are both systems based...NYCOM has bigger class sizes, but has amazing rotation sites, much better than KCUMB, in my opinion.

NYCOM won't ship you off to another part of the country third and forth year...so if you want to stay in tristate area then go NYCOM...if you want to live in the Mid West go to KCUMB.

NYCOM has a number of affiliated residencies, more than most DO schools and a lot more than KCUMB...but this is only relevant if you want to stay in NYC for residency.

The admin at NYCOM, speaking from experience, is rough around the edges and is often disconnected with the student body.

We have a strict attendance policy, but no dress code. KCUMB has a strict dress code but a lax attendance policy...so we are opposites in that regard.

So, in my opinion, the question comes down to where you want to go to school and where you want to practice.

 

[amrturbo12]

I would pick KCUMB in a heart beat.

Further explanation please?

And thank you everyone for your responses

 

[Longshanks]

Oh, I'm not after prestige myself. It's just I work closely with docs and it seems that some students get lost in the shuffle when private DO grad has to compete with big name MD state school grad. Just what I've observed. But that's probably just a special case. I know that was the issue when AZCOM was first built rather quickly in AZ. No one wanted AZCOM students to rotate at hospitals and all of them required LCME 3rd and 4th years. Honestly, that only changed in recent years. It changed so much that I'm actually going to attend AZCOM. I don't know the climate well in NY, but from a distance it looked like Touro and NYCOM are small fish in a big, big pong. Perhaps, I'm very wrong about this and they have the same reputation that KCUMB has in Kansas City.

I'm not ragging on NYCOM or the success a DO can have in NY. I'll add this that KCUMB has a really cool curriculum, which I think is unique amongst DO schools. There's one reason to choose KCUMB. I actually don't know what NYCOM's curriculum is like, to be perfectly honest. I know I wish that the AZCOM curriculum mirrored the KCUMB curriculum but it won't keep me from going there even though it isn't.

I feel you there, and can agree with a lot of that. IMHO, Touro is still the small fish here since they are so new, so they've had issues with the Carib students. NYCOM has been around a lot longer (70s) and helped set up by Rockefeller since his family's doc was a DO. It will be interesting to see down the road what happens with NYCOM's rotations at Northshore/LIJ because of Hofstra when their class size increases after full accreditation though.

It's a packed pond, but since the city is so large (especially when including the counties around it) that each school kind of has its own niche: Columbia - uptown, Cornell - midtown and Queens, Downstate - Brooklyn, SI, NYMC - westchester, dutchess, and uptown, SB - suffolk & nassau, NYCOM - Nassau, Bronx, south Brooklyn/Queens, AECOM - bronx and nassau, etc..

Both are great DO schools. I don't know anything about KCUMB's rotation sites, so I can't formulate an opinion. What attracted my application to NYCOM was their affiliates, having the largest AOA residency program, and their graduates match well in the tri-state area, including ACGME match, and I'd like to be back in the area after having been elsewhere in the country for the last decade or to practice in the area.

 

[megathunder]

Disclaimer, I'm going to KCUMB as you can tell by my sig.

KCUMB and NYCOM are both systems based...NYCOM has bigger class sizes, but has amazing rotation sites, much better than KCUMB, in my opinion.

NYCOM won't ship you off to another part of the country third and forth year...so if you want to stay in tristate area then go NYCOM...if you want to live in the Mid West go to KCUMB.

I don't know what you're talking about. KCUMB has excellent rotations, as well. I'm interested in knowing how you can say qualitatively that NYCOM's are better than KCUMB's?

As for the school shipping you off to another part of the country, that's false information you're spreading. You're entered into a lottery (the same system used by a ton of other schools) and you choose where you want to rotate. If you don't want to be 'shipped off', you can choose to stay in MO. The lottery has a very high first choice rate.

NYCOM has a number of affiliated residencies, more than most DO schools and a lot more than KCUMB...but this is only relevant if you want to stay in NYC for residency.

'Affiliated' residencies still mean you have to earn a spot in them. This does not change the fact that you'll be competing with the myriad other medical schools in and around NYC - as was mentioned by someone else, this can be considered a negative.

We have a strict attendance policy, but no dress code. KCUMB has a strict dress code but a lax attendance policy...so we are opposites in that regard.

Not quite, our dress code apparently eases up once the year gets underway. Scrub bottoms + a shirt isn't that strict IMO.

So, in my opinion, the question comes down to where you want to go to school and where you want to practice.

Maybe, but I'm going to KCUMB from halfway across the country and intend on coming back to my home state for residency or after. If I made my school decision based strictly on where a school was located I would have taken up Western on their offer. There's much more to a school than location or 'affiliated' residencies, this is why you visit and interview. Thousands of students go to schools away from their homes simply because they like them better.

Like I always say, just go where you felt you'd be happiest. You don't want to regret going to a school and being unhappy just because some posters told you they thought it was better.

 

[lftbndlbrnchblk]

Yeah, you won't hear me doubting NYCOM's credibility or ability to pump out great docs anytime soon. I first heard about NYCOM after a Newsweek article about this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jadick

Rockstar surgeon saved dozens of lives during The Battle of Fallujah. I just realized how long ago that was. I wasn't anywhere near applying to medical school back then but I said to myself that NYCOM is definitely going to be one of them.

To the OP: You've got a lot to think about and any decision worth making should be a tough one. Consider all the things that these people in this thread are telling you, they're trying to help you out. Just make sure to envision where you'd be a good fit. I think that's important, too.

 

[Longshanks]

'Affiliated' residencies still mean you have to earn a spot in them. This does not change the fact that you'll be competing with the myriad other medical schools in and around NYC - as was mentioned by someone else, this can be considered a negative.

I didn't know MD graduates could apply for AOA residencies....
🙄

 

[megathunder]

I didn't know MD graduates could apply for AOA residencies....
🙄

My bad, damn AOA/ACGME segregation.

 

[amrturbo12]

Greatly appreciate everyone's opinions and facts. I've realized when it comes to schools on similar/the same playing field its all about comfort not really where you are going. At the same time I want to go somewhere where I will have the best chance of obtaining the residency I want.

Any other opinions/anything people have will be greatly appreciated! This site is actually quite helpful!

 

[patel2]

NYCOM...good rotations, good match lists and NYC area >>>>>> Kansas City if you were raised in NY lol

no but in all seriousness, if you want to practice medicine around the city, you are giving yourself virtually 100% odds of doing so at NYCOM. They have like 30 affiliated residency programs there, whereas at kcumb you'll have to do a bunch of away rotations and it will be more of a struggle

 

[NYEMMED]

Yeah, you won't hear me doubting NYCOM's credibility or ability to pump out great docs anytime soon. I first heard about NYCOM after a Newsweek article about this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jadick

Rockstar surgeon saved dozens of lives during The Battle of Fallujah. I just realized how long ago that was. I wasn't anywhere near applying to medical school back then but I said to myself that NYCOM is definitely going to be one of them.

To the OP: You've got a lot to think about and any decision worth making should be a tough one. Consider all the things that these people in this thread are telling you, they're trying to help you out. Just make sure to envision where you'd be a good fit. I think that's important, too.

If you are impressed by Dr. Jadick....

You should also look up Humayun Chaudhry, D.O. - President and CEO, Federation of State Medical Boards, He went to NYCOM, is the most recent former suffolk county surgeon general, Teaches cardiology at NYCOM, He is also a medical unit wing commander for the USAF, and as president & CEO of the federation of state medical boards, he helps run/write the USMLE...

We also have Dr. Erichetti he has a director type role of comlex step 2 PE, He set up the ICC at NYCOM which we start the 1st year of school (every month you will be tested in step 2 PE style), and it is designed exactly to the T like the step 2 (I mean after all he creates the exam)... NYCOM has one of the highest step 2 pass rates due to this.

Basically I wouldnt be worried about being squeezed by other medical schools at NYCOM, many of our professors also teach at Columbia,Cornell,NYU, and Stony Brook so our education is pretty damn good. As for residency we are affiliated with 36 AOA residencies throughout NY, NJ, and upstate NY, and we are affiliated with 46 hospitals in total. 51% of our grads actually go allopathic in NYC, and at places like columbia, cornell, NYU, Beth Israel, Georgetown, and even Yale, so I believe even those top schools think we have a pretty good education.

Heres a NYCOM match list: from 2008

11- Anesthesiology @ Montefiore, U.Mass, U. Rochester( x3)

1- Pediatric Neurology @ Bostons Childrens' Hosp.

3 Dermatology @ Montefiore

9 Diagnostic Radiology @ Yale-NewHaven Hospital, Beth Israel, Hartford,

35 Emergency Med. @ Jacobi, Mt. Sinai Med Center

3 Combined EM-FP

2 Combined EM-IM

Fam. Med. @ Georgetown-providence hospital, Columbia-NYP, Stamford hosptial/Columbia, Long Beach CA,

14 General Surgery

IM @ Beth Israel, Johns Hopkins-Bayview, Northwestern, Sinai Grace Hospital, USC cali

5- Neurology

3- Neurosurgery

OB/GYN @ Albany, Beth Israel, NY Downtown, NY Methodist, Stamford Hospital/Columbia

2- Ophthalmology

10- Orthopedic Surgery

3- Pathology @ Mayo Clinic

Pediatrics @ U.Conn(x2), U.Rochester, U.FL, Robert-wood Johnson

19 PM&R @ Montefiore, NYU(X5), U.Wash, U.Penn

Psych @ NYU

1- oto-plastic Surgery

Not Including Military

51% of graduating class specialized (IE: not Primary Care I included OB/GYN, Peds, Psych, FM, IM, as primary care)
50% went Allopathic

 

[christina30]

You're a NY resident - do you want to practice in New York? If so, go to NYCOM, hands down. Their reputation in the tri-state area is really great & as others have already said, they have the largest # of affiliated residences of all of the DO schools.


And as a NYCOM student, I can tell you that I'm really happy here, glad I chose it, & really enjoying my time in medical school.

And whoever was talking about NYC being "seedy"? NYCOM is located in Long Island, in pretty much one of the richest neighborhoods in the country. No seediness, just a bunch of housewives driving recklessly in their porsches.

 

[NurWollen]

You're a NY resident - do you want to practice in New York? If so, go to NYCOM, hands down. Their reputation in the tri-state area is really great & as others have already said, they have the largest # of affiliated residences of all of the DO schools.


And as a NYCOM student, I can tell you that I'm really happy here, glad I chose it, & really enjoying my time in medical school.

And whoever was talking about NYC being "seedy"? NYCOM is located in Long Island, in pretty much one of the richest neighborhoods in the country. No seediness, just a bunch of housewives driving recklessly in their porsches.

So, good place to go if you want to see a lot of trauma?
... just kidding.

 

[Nibbler36]

Haha This is unreal I have the same decision to make by April 8th and was about to create an identical thread.

Its a pretty agonizing decision so I definitely feel for the OP

One of my big concerns is whether NYCOM will be able to hold on to many of its rotation sites considering the new Hofstra school will need space to expand into, are there any facts regarding this issue yet?

Another question, that would perhaps be best answered by current NYCOM 3rd and 4th years if any stumble upon this thread is do you feel you get the appropriate attention and instruction during rotations since there are students from so many other places rotating there?

Thank you in advance for any info.

 

[docter]

nycom over kcumb, unless you want to live in the midwest for after residency, it's all about lifestyle choices.

I had an interview invite to kcumb, I declined becuase I prefer the east coast.

 

[NYDOC112]

Haha This is unreal I have the same decision to make by April 8th and was about to create an identical thread.

Its a pretty agonizing decision so I definitely feel for the OP

One of my big concerns is whether NYCOM will be able to hold on to many of its rotation sites considering the new Hofstra school will need space to expand into, are there any facts regarding this issue yet?

Another question, that would perhaps be best answered by current NYCOM 3rd and 4th years if any stumble upon this thread is do you feel you get the appropriate attention and instruction during rotations since there are students from so many other places rotating there?

Thank you in advance for any info.

NYCOM will be losing 1 hospital to hofstra (it was a minor affiliate anyway maybe 3 students per rotation), they will still have 45 others. Hofstra has gotten rotations at hospitals that wont affect NYCOM at all, many Caribbean school rotation slots have been cut for them. To be honest you will get the attention you need, 26 of the 46 are major NYCOM affiliates and have NYCOMEC residencies. At these 26 NYCOM is the largest/only school rotating through. Many of the hospitals are so large you will literally have a 1:2 ratio of attendings to students. There are a few (maybe 3 or 4) hospitals that have less one on one interaction, but typically NYCOM students choose to not go to them anyway. Many of NYCOMs affiliated residencies are AOA and ACGME approved.

 

[Nibbler36]

NYDOC, thank you so much for the informative response

 

[NYDOC112]

NYDOC, thank you so much for the informative response

No problem, Good luck with the decision, no matter where you choose, both are good

 

[AerobixChica]

I chose NYCOM for many of the above reasons, and also for location (Im from NY, and want to practice here) I also know many people who have just graduated and landed impressive residencies

Just to add for the class of 2015- hofstra is only 40 students, so it won't affect us too much anyways. When the class size increases I would imagine it might have more of an impact than it will for us- just a thought!

Good luck with the decision

 

[megathunder]

I wish more current KCUMB students posted here to balance out these types of threads and help answer posters' questions. Unfortunately I don't know enough about rotation sites and whatnot to give you guys the KCUMB side. I guess me and the rest of us 2015'ers that post now will be able to do that for future applicants.

In any case, it's always a hard decision to move away from home where you're comfortable (even I second guess myself sometimes). You two will end up fine wherever you go, though. Best of luck.

 

[Nibbler36]

I wish more current KCUMB students posted here to balance out these types of threads and help answer posters' questions. Unfortunately I don't know enough about rotation sites and whatnot to give you guys the KCUMB side. I guess me and the rest of us 2015'ers that post now will be able to do that for future applicants.

In any case, it's always a hard decision to move away from home where you're comfortable (even I second guess myself sometimes). You two will end up fine wherever you go, though. Best of luck.

I completely agree, I wish some current KCUMB 3rd and 4th years gave us an informative run down of their rotation sites. Being from outside the region its hard for me to judge the quality of many of the sites i see on the list

 

[MightyMoose]

I wish more current KCUMB students posted here to balance out these types of threads and help answer posters' questions. Unfortunately I don't know enough about rotation sites and whatnot to give you guys the KCUMB side. I guess me and the rest of us 2015'ers that post now will be able to do that for future applicants.

In any case, it's always a hard decision to move away from home where you're comfortable (even I second guess myself sometimes). You two will end up fine wherever you go, though. Best of luck.

I usually try to actively avoid these threads now, so I don't post in them much.

However, I would completely agree with the poster above who said it's really a regional thing. For me, I am not really an East Coaster (although I would live in Boston), so I didn't apply to any schools in the Northeast. Which also means that all my inputs are also regionally biased towards the west and midwest.

KCUMB's students have a reputation for having some solid clinical skills which adds to the credibility of their rotations, but beyond that, they just matched someone into ACGME integrated plastics, have matched into Johns Hopkins EM and Anesthesiology, and have overall awesome matches every single year. So, I think whichever place you guys decide on will give you everything you need to succeed. I just think that people are under some false pretense that NYCOM has the "best" matches, to which I would say they are fairly comparable to KCUMB's, but I'm biased towards thinking KCUMB's is better. 😉

 

[amrturbo12]

Haha This is unreal I have the same decision to make by April 8th and was about to create an identical thread.

Its a pretty agonizing decision so I definitely feel for the OP

One of my big concerns is whether NYCOM will be able to hold on to many of its rotation sites considering the new Hofstra school will need space to expand into, are there any facts regarding this issue yet?

Another question, that would perhaps be best answered by current NYCOM 3rd and 4th years if any stumble upon this thread is do you feel you get the appropriate attention and instruction during rotations since there are students from so many other places rotating there?

Thank you in advance for any info.

Tell me about it man; I interviewed at both places and absolutely certain things about both. This thread has been extremely helpful and again if more people can respond about KCUMB information it would be greatly appreciated.

Nibbler, I also have statistics of residency matches for both schools. PM me if you are interested at all.

 

[cliquesh]

I usually try to actively avoid these threads now, so I don't post in them much.

However, I would completely agree with the poster above who said it's really a regional thing. For me, I am not really an East Coaster (although I would live in Boston), so I didn't apply to any schools in the Northeast. Which also means that all my inputs are also regionally biased towards the west and midwest.

KCUMB's students have a reputation for having some solid clinical skills which adds to the credibility of their rotations, but beyond that, they just matched someone into ACGME integrated plastics, have matched into Johns Hopkins EM and Anesthesiology, and have overall awesome matches every single year. So, I think whichever place you guys decide on will give you everything you need to succeed. I just think that people are under some false pretense that NYCOM has the "best" matches, to which I would say they are fairly comparable to KCUMB's, but I'm biased towards thinking KCUMB's is better. 😉

Are you sure about that? If that is the case, he/she might be the first DO to do that.

 

[Badgers326]

Tell me about it man; I interviewed at both places and absolutely certain things about both. This thread has been extremely helpful and again if more people can respond about KCUMB information it would be greatly appreciated.

Nibbler, I also have statistics of residency matches for both schools. PM me if you are interested at all.

Don't forget about KCUMB's Score 1 program giving you an early clinical experience.

 

[Taty]

You're a NY resident - do you want to practice in New York? If so, go to NYCOM, hands down. Their reputation in the tri-state area is really great & as others have already said, they have the largest # of affiliated residences of all of the DO schools.


And as a NYCOM student, I can tell you that I'm really happy here, glad I chose it, & really enjoying my time in medical school.

And whoever was talking about NYC being "seedy"? NYCOM is located in Long Island, in pretty much one of the richest neighborhoods in the country. No seediness, just a bunch of housewives driving recklessly in their porsches.

Yea, housewives driving in the middle of two lanes doing makeup...

I think you will be competing with tone of students from other schools if you want to do competitive ACGME residency in NYC and CT area. As for getting rotations I never had problems with getting my electives where I wanted to do them, just set them up early.

NYCOM is a great school I dont think OP will regret if he /she comes here.

 

[MightyMoose]

Are you sure about that? If that is the case, he/she might be the first DO to do that.

100% and I believe he was the second one to do that.

 

[dkrames1]

This is interesting except that it can easily be solved by a logical algorithm.
1. Where do you want to work as a doctor?
If you answered NYC---> go to NYCOM
If you answer... "I do not know, maybe somewhere other than NYC but maybe NYC..." ---> go to KCUMB. Its really that simple...
KCUMB has a third year core site at St. Barnabas Hospital in Brooklyn, and St. Michael's medical center in NJ. The two people I know (current second years) that applied for those spots got them, so it is not that hard to do your entire third/fourth year in NYC. I have a friend who is doing his EM residency at St. Barnabas and went to KCUMB. I have another friend who went to NYCOM and is doing his physiatry residency in NY. Both liked their school.
I am not saying you should choose one or the other... I am simply showing you how easy your decision should be (assuming you liked both).

p.s. NY is hella expensive! haha

 

[NYEMMED]

This is interesting except that it can easily be solved by a logical algorithm.
1. Where do you want to work as a doctor?
If you answered NYC---> go to NYCOM
If you answer... "I do not know, maybe somewhere other than NYC but maybe NYC..." ---> go to KCUMB. Its really that simple...
KCUMB has a third year core site at St. Barnabas Hospital in Brooklyn, and St. Michael's medical center in NJ. The two people I know (current second years) that applied for those spots got them, so it is not that hard to do your entire third/fourth year in NYC. I have a friend who is doing his EM residency at St. Barnabas and went to KCUMB. I have another friend who went to NYCOM and is doing his physiatry residency in NY. Both liked their school.
I am not saying you should choose one or the other... I am simply showing you how easy your decision should be (assuming you liked both).

p.s. NY is hella expensive! haha

Its in the bronx... St.Barnabas Bronx is one of NYCOMs major clinical campuses and part of the NYCOMEC residency program (Good hospital, really really really bad area, most people opt out of this one to go to one of the other NYCOM hospitals). St. Michael's in South Jersey is a UMDNJ major clinical campus.

I agree though, both schools are great, both have pretty identical programs, NYCOM will have the home field advantage in NY and NJ because of its massive system there, KCUMB will have the home field advantage in the midwest. Just choose where you want to live esp for residency... One thing I would comment though as far as NYCOMs system, you want a spot in NYC for residency you got it, more spots than NYCOM can fill, You want Neurosurgery, anesthesia, Dermatology, plastics, Ortho surg, ophthalmology, NYCOM has them just apply (provided you have the grades). KCUMB may be this way in the midwest, not sure...

Make a pro and con list, and go where you have less cons.

 

[30Percent]

Its in the bronx... St.Barnabas Bronx is one of NYCOMs major clinical campuses and part of the NYCOMEC residency program (Good hospital, really really really bad area, most people opt out of this one to go to one of the other NYCOM hospitals). St. Michael's in South Jersey is a UMDNJ major clinical campus.

This is kinda off topic, but I looked up St. Barnabas Hospital in Google maps. Is this a valet parking lot where they can easily move the cars?

 

[MightyMoose]

This is kinda off topic, but I looked up St. Barnabas Hospital in Google maps. Is this a valet parking lot where they can easily move the cars?

 

[NYEMMED]

This is kinda off topic, but I looked up St. Barnabas Hospital in Google maps. Is this a valet parking lot where they can easily move the cars?

Hahahaha...It is valet parking there for staff.... safer than making them walk or park in that community

 

[Nibbler36]

Is it true that NYCOM curriculum is P/F/H?. If so what grade ranges would there be for each. Do the current students like this system?

 

[NYDOC112]

Is it true that NYCOM curriculum is P/F/H?. If so what grade ranges would there be for each. Do the current students like this system?

Yes, NYCOM is Honor pass fail. Passing is a 70, honoring is the top 10% of the class (Usually in the 90's). The students like it. I think its a good system. Everyone gets grades, and the grades are accessible to you and NYCOM, but your transcript will say H/P/F

 

[patel2]

Yes, NYCOM is Honor pass fail. Passing is a 70, honoring is the top 10% of the class (Usually in the 90's). The students like it. I think its a good system. Everyone gets grades, and the grades are accessible to you and NYCOM, but your transcript will say H/P/F

do they internally rank? It seems almost all P/F schools do actually rank, even if they aren't transparent about it.

Will the dean's letter list your class rank/quartile when you apply for residencies?

 

[NYDOC112]

do they internally rank? It seems almost all P/F schools do actually rank, even if they aren't transparent about it.

Will the dean's letter list your class rank/quartile when you apply for residencies?

The school does give everyone a class rank, but they don't give them out to students. In the past they never included your class rank on the dean's letter, only what quartile you are in...

 

[Nibbler36]

During my interview at NYCOM, my interviewer said that there is something like a 10 percent attrition rate at the school. The number seemed a little high to me. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not?

Is this percentage true of most osteopathic schools?

P.S. Thank you so much to everyone that has been kind and patient enough to answer my questions in this thread

 

[NYEMMED]

During my interview at NYCOM, my interviewer said that there is something like a 10 percent attrition rate at the school. The number seemed a little high to me. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not?

Is this percentage true of most osteopathic schools?

P.S. Thank you so much to everyone that has been kind and patient enough to answer my questions in this thread

10% seems a bit too high to be honest.... My class had 315 people now we are 305ish. About 10-15 people don't make it each class year, not percent. To be honest though NYCOM does have one of the toughest remediation policies. If you fail a course you must take it over again in the summer (including all lecture, OMM, and standardized patient activities). Fail another course and you are failed out. It's not that bad though 10-15 people out of 300+ is not that much...

 

[NurWollen]

10% seems a bit too high to be honest.... My class had 315 people now we are 305ish. About 10-15 people don't make it each class year, not percent. To be honest though NYCOM does have one of the toughest remediation policies. If you fail a course you must take it over again in the summer (including all lecture, OMM, and standardized patient activities). Fail another course and you are failed out. It's not that bad though 10-15 people out of 300+ is not that much...

I've heard about that remediation policy before. I remember I poster on here who failed out and was able to gain admission to another DO school... and last I heard he was doing great. I think that remediation policy is pretty harsh. Not that it is unreasonable in and of itself, but that it seems so out of line with just about every other med school I have heard of.

 

[christina30]

I've heard about that remediation policy before. I remember I poster on here who failed out and was able to gain admission to another DO school... and last I heard he was doing great. I think that remediation policy is pretty harsh. Not that it is unreasonable in and of itself, but that it seems so out of line with just about every other med school I have heard of.

It's certainly not the only med school with such a policy - pretty sure CCOM is another one.

That being said, just don't go in thinking about failing! 2014 has lost a handful of people, but they're not all people who were dismissed for failing. Quite a few people left for personal reasons or took leaves of absence, etc. NYCOM isn't looking to weed people out/thin out the herd.

 

[dkrames1]

Yes, NYCOM is Honor pass fail. Passing is a 70, honoring is the top 10% of the class (Usually in the 90's). The students like it. I think its a good system. Everyone gets grades, and the grades are accessible to you and NYCOM, but your transcript will say H/P/F

There you go... if you want H/P/F go NYCOM... first two year at KCUMB are graded, but the curve is substantial (set to 85%). So if the class average for the section is 75%... so you would add 10% to your final grade. As long as you beat the mean for every test you are getting A/B's... I would prefer the system NYCOM has because I would be more inclined to enjoy the learning process rather than stress over what we are going to be tested on.

Also I am sorry for the wrong location of the St. Barnabas site. I hate when trolls on here that post and tell you wrong information and it appears I just did that for that I apologize.

 

[wolverinepwns]

Kcumb!!!!

 

[Old Grunt]

UMKC is the other MD school and those are kids straight out of high school and nobody looks up to them.

Not to derail the thread....

I always feel obligated to defend my school in instances like this.

I am 32 and long removed from high school.

UMKC is part of the University of Missouri system and affixed to Truman Medical Center and Children's Mercy Hospital.

Medical Students from many of the regional DO schools that may or may not have their own hospitals rely on the UMKC and Truman system for their core rotations and electives. The UMKC residencies are filled with many, many DOs.

So, you know, just an ounce of respect might be nice every once in a while.

You are right about one thing though, for whatever my opinion is worth, I have always been really impressed with the residents out of KCUMB.

OP: I've lived all over the country. K.C. is a nice medium sized city. The crime/grit is comparable to any other city of that size.

Good luck with your decision.