NYCPM's reputation

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Hello,

I know that there have been a lot of posts in the past about this but a lot of them are old and it seems that NYCPM has improved a lot lately and there's also the new law that was passed in New York expanding the scope of practice there which was an issue to some people in the past.

First of all I was wondering why NYCPM have somewhat of a bad reputation on this forum when both their board pass rates and residency placement rates have been near perfect in the last few years. I understand that the school is in Harlem which isn't great and that the facilities aren't the best, but they are not bad at all from what I saw. The interior of the building was probably nicer than some schools like Temple. Why are some people saying that NYCPM isn't great in the pre-clinical years when their performance on the board is fantastic?

On top of that they have the best clinic in terms of the number of cases students get to see.

I see that not being affiliated with a major university might be a bad thing but in the end I don't see how it is a huge deal.

Any opinions from NYCPM students or any people who visited there are appreciated.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

I'm surprised the NY scope change didn't make it to these boards, but for all those interested:

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/A9293A-2011

You can be angry at the minority nay votes. I can only think of the reason to say no is because they do not believe pods are competent even though all go through a 3 year residency, and most NY pods will still practice but in a different state...

 

[shadesofgrey]

I'm not a NYCPM student, but I thought I would give my thoughts on this.

The majority of posters tend to be biased toward their own school and NYCPM doesn't have that many active posters, therefore no cheerleaders/defenders. Another thing to remember, is most of the people bashing the school have probably spent as much time there as you have, 1-2 visits and maybe the internship. If you were comfortable there, then don't feel bad attending it. At the end of the day if you work hard any of the schools will adequately prepare you.

If you still aren't sure I would encourage you to email your student tour guides, and try and ask them candidly about their experience. I would specifically ask them what areas the school could improve on, if they can't give some they aren't being honest.

Hope that helps and good luck.

 

[preDO12345678]

omg............. and i was hoping to go to NYCPM =( ;;; so NY state does not allow podiatrist to practice as wide scope as in other states ?

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

omg............. and i was hoping to go to NYCPM =( ;;; so NY state does not allow podiatrist to practice as wide scope as in other states ?

Did you read the bill/URL I posted?

 

[ilovefeet]

do you guys know where I can find the scope of practice for each school?

 

[studentdpm31]

Hello,

I know that there have been a lot of posts in the past about this but a lot of them are old and it seems that NYCPM has improved a lot lately and there's also the new law that was passed in New York expanding the scope of practice there which was an issue to some people in the past.

First of all I was wondering why NYCPM have somewhat of a bad reputation on this forum when both their board pass rates and residency placement rates have been near perfect in the last few years. I understand that the school is in Harlem which isn't great and that the facilities aren't the best, but they are not bad at all from what I saw. The interior of the building was probably nicer than some schools like Temple. Why are some people saying that NYCPM isn't great in the pre-clinical years when their performance on the board is fantastic?

On top of that they have the best clinic in terms of the number of cases students get to see.

I see that not being affiliated with a major university might be a bad thing but in the end I don't see how it is a huge deal.

Any opinions from NYCPM students or any people who visited there are appreciated.

I'm a third year student at NYCPM and there's a second year student around somewhere on here, too.

I have to agree with another poster here saying that we just haven't had many people cheering for or defending NYCPM on SDN.

It's a fantastic school with stellar board scores. I think that's enough to vouch for the pre-clinical department.

If you're interested in doing research, NYCPM does the most. Based on the amount of student posters/presenters at the recent APMA conference, NYCPM had by far the most, with about 12 posters (there may have been more) as compared to 2 or 3 from other schools. As for myself, I'll be starting research soon looking at histopathological classifications of peripheral neuropathy.

The clinic experience is a very difficult one; however, you'll see everything... and I mean everything. It can be a difficult environment to work in because of the massive amounts of patients and for the most part, you're seeing them alone, (the attending enters the room too obviously, but only after you've done the initial work-up) so these are basically your patients. You could easily see 20 patients by yourself in a day at Lincoln Hospital. In order to complete our medicine rotation in 3rd year, we have to see at least 150 follow-ups. I'm only halfway through my medicine rotation and I have about 140.

NYCPM is a great school in a one of a kind city and if you felt comfortable here then definitely consider it! I hope I was able to answer some questions - if you have any more, please feel free to ask 🙂

 

[heybrother]

I'd be interested to hear if the scope changes truly have gone through and been implemented. My recollection of the past was that the changes were stalled in one legislative body (the assembly refused to put it to a vote?), but passed in a different body (the senate?).

I looked through the language of the scope change bill and it seemed quite complicated compared to many other states. It was very long and very specific with quite a few restrictions and limitations.

 

[podlover]

Scholl had at least 8 students present posters (including myself) at the last APMA conference in Washington DC with two students winning 2nd & 3rd place in the student poster competition.

CLEAR lab at Scholl is well known within the profession.

👍👍

 

[josebiwasabi]

Hello,

I know that there have been a lot of posts in the past about this but a lot of them are old and it seems that NYCPM has improved a lot lately and there's also the new law that was passed in New York expanding the scope of practice there which was an issue to some people in the past.

First of all I was wondering why NYCPM have somewhat of a bad reputation on this forum when both their board pass rates and residency placement rates have been near perfect in the last few years. I understand that the school is in Harlem which isn't great and that the facilities aren't the best, but they are not bad at all from what I saw. The interior of the building was probably nicer than some schools like Temple. Why are some people saying that NYCPM isn't great in the pre-clinical years when their performance on the board is fantastic?

On top of that they have the best clinic in terms of the number of cases students get to see.

I see that not being affiliated with a major university might be a bad thing but in the end I don't see how it is a huge deal.

Any opinions from NYCPM students or any people who visited there are appreciated.

I agree with your post. Board scores are fantastic here. I will be taking part 1 next summer and I am very confident that I will be able to pass them. I haven't been in clinic yet, but from hearing what my 3rd year friends say, the clinic experience you get at our in-house clinic + Lincoln + Metro + Mt. Sinai are definitely unparalleled. Not being under a larger institution has both it's pros and cons. It depends on what you're looking for.

I'd be interested to hear if the scope changes truly have gone through and been implemented. My recollection of the past was that the changes were stalled in one legislative body (the assembly refused to put it to a vote?), but passed in a different body (the senate?).

I looked through the language of the scope change bill and it seemed quite complicated compared to many other states. It was very long and very specific with quite a few restrictions and limitations.

From what I understand, the increased scope bill was actually put to a vote, passed by a vast majority, and will be official within the next couple years. Besides, state scope will not limit your training as a podiatry student (or resident).

Scholl had at least 8 students present posters (including myself) at the last APMA conference in Washington DC with two students winning 2nd & 3rd place in the student poster competition.

CLEAR lab at Scholl is well known within the profession.

Agreed, the CLEAR lab is pretty famous and I was impressed with it when I interviewed at Scholl. That being said, NYCPM definitely has a huge emphasis on research. I'm only a 2nd year, but many of my friends have been involved in research from their 1st semester. I personally am not involved in anything, but I don't think it would be difficult to find an opportunity to work with a professor on a project. (By the way, I think NYCPM had something like 15 students at the conference.)

 

[dyk343]

The majority of posters tend to be biased toward their own school and NYCPM doesn't have that many active posters, therefore no cheerleaders/defenders.

👍👍👍

In the past there was a lot of bashing on these boards. Certain schools were touted to be the best. In reality all the schools are pretty good and from my experience working with several students from several schools... equal. You will start to learn this when you go out on rotations and meet students from other schools.

You just need to find a school that fits your personal style of learning. Thats the best school.

 

[studentdpm31]

Scholl had at least 8 students present posters (including myself) at the last APMA conference in Washington DC with two students winning 2nd & 3rd place in the student poster competition.

My apologies! I was not there this year and got my information from another student! However, I do believe it was NYCPM that won 1st 🙂

I also wanted to address the scope topic briefly: the scope of practice of the state has no bearing on the education/training the student receives. It has no real relevance for podiatric medical students nor residents. It is important only if one plans to practice in NYS after they finish their training.

 

[ldsrmdude]

I also wanted to address the scope topic briefly: the scope of practice of the state has no bearing on the education/training the student receives. It has no real relevance for podiatric medical students nor residents. It is important only if one plans to practice in NYS after they finish their training.

This is a topic that I have wondered about. I never did any clerkships or visited any programs in NY, but just in thinking about it, and talking to a few students from NYCPM and others that did rotations in NY, I don't see how the scope of practice doesn't affect you as a resident. I can see how it wouldn't really make much of a difference as a student, but I don't see how it wouldn't impact your training as a resident. I know you get training in ankles with ortho, or going to do those cases in another state, but I guess I have never heard a good explanation how that doesn't affect residents training. Could you clarify what you mean for me?

 

[PrePod11]

Hello,

I know that there have been a lot of posts in the past about this but a lot of them are old and it seems that NYCPM has improved a lot lately and there's also the new law that was passed in New York expanding the scope of practice there which was an issue to some people in the past.

First of all I was wondering why NYCPM have somewhat of a bad reputation on this forum when both their board pass rates and residency placement rates have been near perfect in the last few years. I understand that the school is in Harlem which isn't great and that the facilities aren't the best, but they are not bad at all from what I saw. The interior of the building was probably nicer than some schools like Temple. Why are some people saying that NYCPM isn't great in the pre-clinical years when their performance on the board is fantastic?

On top of that they have the best clinic in terms of the number of cases students get to see.

I see that not being affiliated with a major university might be a bad thing but in the end I don't see how it is a huge deal.

Any opinions from NYCPM students or any people who visited there are appreciated.

I visited at NYCPM and I was very impressed and liked it more than DMU which a lot of people here see to favor. It's a matter of opinions. There are only so many things you can use to measure how good the school is and if you should go there. For me board pass rates and residency placement are important and NYCPM excels at both. Also being in NYC is a huge plus for it in my opinion. Even though you would live in Harlem you are still only a subway ride away from Times Square and all the amazing places in the city if you have time for them. I also like the scope of practice change in NY because it would lift that mystery of whether it affects the education or residency or not. Questions about whether the scope has an effect aren't valid anymore because the law will be effective in 18 months so by the time you get to your clinical rotations and residency, it wont be an issue.

 

[studentdpm31]

This is a topic that I have wondered about. I never did any clerkships or visited any programs in NY, but just in thinking about it, and talking to a few students from NYCPM and others that did rotations in NY, I don't see how the scope of practice doesn't affect you as a resident. I can see how it wouldn't really make much of a difference as a student, but I don't see how it wouldn't impact your training as a resident. I know you get training in ankles with ortho, or going to do those cases in another state, but I guess I have never heard a good explanation how that doesn't affect residents training. Could you clarify what you mean for me?

Let me start with this: as a resident you treat the whole body no matter where in the country you are. Please understand, podiatry residents do perform general surgery, as well. While shadowing for my externships, I met a resident who had recently aided in taking out part of a colon.

Now, before the law got passed, podiatry residents did all their ankle cases under orthopedics. It really is that simple. In a lot of hospitals in NY, podiatry is considered a subspecialty under orthopedics so whenever there was an ankle case, podiatry was called along with orthopedics - podiatry residents DO NOT have go off and find these cases in another state. NYS residency programs know full well that pod resident training has to include the ankle - just because you do your residency in NY does not mean you have to practice in NY - you have to get trained in everything. Sure, NY residents weren't working under a podiatrist for their ankle cases but I do not see how that would hurt them.

Here's something too, I happen to know some NY podiatrists who work in the hospitals but have their private practices in NJ or CT so they perform all their ankle cases there, haha. This is just to stop any thought of "NY pods haven't done ankles in years so they must not know how to do it anymore" that might be brewing in anyone's head! Those who don't have that just have to perform their cases basically with the permission or orthopedics or with an orthopedist. Let me clarify this a little more. While rotating through the hospitals, we were asking the pods this exact thing: "can you operate/treat the ankle... basically get around the law?" And the answer was yes, there are just a couple more steps they had to take. Either they perform the case with an orthopedist OR they get permission from orthopedics. Therefore, NY pods have been performing ankle cases for as many years as any other state, they just had to have an orthopedist basically sign off on it. Let me know if this still isn't clear!

Also, here's a great link to the NYS law that was passed:
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/A9293A-2011

 

[ldsrmdude]

Let me start with this: as a resident you treat the whole body no matter where in the country you are. Please understand, podiatry residents do perform general surgery, as well. While shadowing for my externships, I met a resident who had recently aided in taking out part of a colon.

Now, before the law got passed, podiatry residents did all their ankle cases under orthopedics. It really is that simple. In a lot of hospitals in NY, podiatry is considered a subspecialty under orthopedics so whenever there was an ankle case, podiatry was called along with orthopedics - podiatry residents DO NOT have go off and find these cases in another state. NYS residency programs know full well that pod resident training has to include the ankle - just because you do your residency in NY does not mean you have to practice in NY - you have to get trained in everything. Sure, NY residents weren't working under a podiatrist for their ankle cases but I do not see how that would hurt them.

Here's something too, I happen to know some NY podiatrists who work in the hospitals but have their private practices in NJ or CT so they perform all their ankle cases there, haha. This is just to stop any thought of "NY pods haven't done ankles in years so they must not know how to do it anymore" that might be brewing in anyone's head! Those who don't have that just have to perform their cases basically with the permission or orthopedics or with an orthopedist. Let me clarify this a little more. While rotating through the hospitals, we were asking the pods this exact thing: "can you operate/treat the ankle... basically get around the law?" And the answer was yes, there are just a couple more steps they had to take. Either they perform the case with an orthopedist OR they get permission from orthopedics. Therefore, NY pods have been performing ankle cases for as many years as any other state, they just had to have an orthopedist basically sign off on it. Let me know if this still isn't clear!

Also, here's a great link to the NYS law that was passed:
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/A9293A-2011

I guess what I always wondered about is how podiatry residents are treated when you're essentially dependent on ortho to get ankle cases. I'm merely curious for the sake of being curious here. We have a decent relationship with ortho where I am at, but I wonder how that might change if we relied on them to either sign off or scrub in on all our ankle cases.

 

[studentdpm31]

I guess what I always wondered about is how podiatry residents are treated when you're essentially dependent on ortho to get ankle cases. I'm merely curious for the sake of being curious here. We have a decent relationship with ortho where I am at, but I wonder how that might change if we relied on them to either sign off or scrub in on all our ankle cases.

Well, you wouldn't have to worry about that anymore! Hurray! And the pods here have a great relationship with ortho. For the record, I've never heard of any problems.

 

[Cascade11]

I had my interview and although I am not impressed with facilities, I am impressed with education and the amount of patients the students get to see. That's the ticket winner for me- experience; I want to see everything, twice and know how to do it. They are currently renovating the facilities, like putting HD TVs and nicer chairs etc.I likes overhead TV's in the anatomy lab that lets you see what the professor is doing and not crowd around the same cadaver. Lecture halls are also new and have all the new tricks professors use.
I also hate Harlem, the walk from the train was not great, many beggars, drunkards, dirty streets; but you hop on the train for 10 minutes and you have unlimited food options to explore, fun places to visit etc etc, you are by no means limited to the surrounding area.
Coming from a small university, this is an even smaller school, but after you look at all the superficial things, the opportunities to learn there are plenty.