NYMC c/o 2011

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ds776 said:
I was wondering about the average debt that is reported for schools- To me, it seems to be very low, usually 140k or so.... That has started to get me nervous, because I plan on doubling that. I would have assumed that most people would be in my position, having to borrow enough money to pay full tuition. Am I wrong about that? Do a lot of students have enough money saved so that they can pay for nearly half of tuition? Or is that number somehow skewed in some way that I am not realizing?
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I'm wondering the same thing! None of the schools I got accepted at really offer scholarships or grants. I bet U of MN TC does... but not going there. After working for almost a year and living at home I'll still only have $15,000 saved up. It's not a ton but it's something. I'm a full time phlebotomist. Good experience, not great pay.
 
Allerian1004 said:
I'm wondering the same thing! None of the schools I got accepted at really offer scholarships or grants. I bet U of MN TC does... but not going there. After working for almost a year and living at home I'll still only have $15,000 saved up. It's not a ton but it's something. I'm a full time phlebotomist. Good experience, not great pay.
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i've been at home for 2 yrs now and don't even have that much....those applications really sucked all my money away though. I'll be taking all loans, of course. I don't know how the average can be so low since I'm guessing I'll be in the range of $240,000...right? Creighton says $63K/yr in loans, and last year Creighton and NYMC had almost the same tuition and Creighton off campus housing would be much much less expensive than NYMC.....so I don't know how this average of 140 is possible. I guess that of course includes everyone w/ scholarships and probably those who are getting it paid through army, etc scholarships....so that would probably skew the average.
 
C.P. Jones said:
i've been at home for 2 yrs now and don't even have that much....those applications really sucked all my money away though. I'll be taking all loans, of course. I don't know how the average can be so low since I'm guessing I'll be in the range of $240,000...right? Creighton says $63K/yr in loans, and last year Creighton and NYMC had almost the same tuition and Creighton off campus housing would be much much less expensive than NYMC.....so I don't know how this average of 140 is possible. I guess that of course includes everyone w/ scholarships and probably those who are getting it paid through army, etc scholarships....so that would probably skew the average.
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One thing to realize is that the lender that NYMC uses is a nonprofit organization and it gives back a lot of money to students over time in the way of "payback bonuses." Other lenders offer these, but have conditions in which you can lose your right to them (and a huge number of people do), while ours does not.

The upshot of this is that you may find yourself paying back ~30k less when all is said and done as compared to people who went to other schools and had similar tuitions but did not have lenders who give out these kinds of bonuses. I think the financial aid office here really tries to help the students out, which is really nice when you're carrying so much debt.
 

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On the US News list of schools they claim that the average debt for NYMC is around 163,000. How does that work if most people take out loans? If you take out all loans the cost is around 240,000.
 
Hi everyone- I am interviewing at NYMC in April and had a question about the 3rd and 4th year rotations. Can someone explain what they are like in terms of traveling and moving every few weeks? A couple friends who were accepted to the school last year were turned off by the fact that they felt they would have to pick up and move every time they had a new rotation. Is this true? How does this process work?

It's something I am concerned about personally since I am getting married this summer and don't know how picking up and moving every few weeks would work for me AND my husband. If I went to NYMC (which I am hoping for!), I was planning to live on campus the first year (in the married housing) and then probably move to NY city after that. Does that make sense? What do most people do who are married? Thanks so much!
 
hcn22 said:
If I went to NYMC (which I am hoping for!), I was planning to live on campus the first year (in the married housing) and then probably move to NY city after that. Does that make sense? What do most people do who are married? Thanks so much!
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Hi, I think that the whole moving around during 3rd yr rotations is not so bad if you will be rotating in different hospitals throughout the city because public transportation in NYC is excellent. I know the system is based on a lottery, and current students have said that selection usually works out for most people, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

As for moving into NYC after first year, I would not recommend it! Going to and from NYC to Valhalla, while relatively short (40 min), will be a pain in the butt to do every single day! 1st and 2nd year is all on-site in Valhalla so I would definitely stay in housing for the second year and wait to move to NYC during 3rd year. --I could also imagine the bill for transportation gettin pretty steep! It's all up to you though... I'm as single as a dollar bill, so I can't speak for married people 🙂. (I just made up that dollar bill line!)
 
Just a quick comment on moving into NYC after you first year - if it's really what you want to do and will make you happy then go for it. I'm a first year that lives about 30 minutes away from campus with my fiance and enjoy it very much. I graduated 3 years before starting med school and lived on my own for about half of that time. I didn't see myself going back to dorm or college style apartment living - it just wasn't for me. I like the separation that the 30 minute drive gives me from my home life and school life. I don't leave everything behind at school, but I do leave a fair amount of the stress and general anxiety behind. There are days when traffic can make the 30 minute ride turn into an hour ride and it's frustrating when you need to get home and study, but those days don't offset all of the positives - I think in comparison to many of my classmates that I may eat like a king, but that could be due to having a fiance as well. 😛 I'm all about trying to keep my stress level low and keeping my personal life intact and so far it's worked fairly well.
 
hcn22 said:
Hi everyone- I am interviewing at NYMC in April and had a question about the 3rd and 4th year rotations. Can someone explain what they are like in terms of traveling and moving every few weeks? A couple friends who were accepted to the school last year were turned off by the fact that they felt they would have to pick up and move every time they had a new rotation. Is this true? How does this process work?

It's something I am concerned about personally since I am getting married this summer and don't know how picking up and moving every few weeks would work for me AND my husband. If I went to NYMC (which I am hoping for!), I was planning to live on campus the first year (in the married housing) and then probably move to NY city after that. Does that make sense? What do most people do who are married? Thanks so much!
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I don't understand why your friends think this is true. NYMC has a lot of different hospitals and locations, but you don't have to go through all of them by any means. I've managed to live in the same place for literally all but six weeks out of two years, and if I couldn't walk to my rotation site I could easily drive there. So, no worries -- if you want a stable location rest assured you'll have one, though you may have to go somewhere out of your way for a couple of weeks here and there.
 
Zweihander said:
I don't understand why your friends think this is true. NYMC has a lot of different hospitals and locations, but you don't have to go through all of them by any means. I've managed to live in the same place for literally all but six weeks out of two years, and if I couldn't walk to my rotation site I could easily drive there. So, no worries -- if you want a stable location rest assured you'll have one, though you may have to go somewhere out of your way for a couple of weeks here and there.
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I think my friends who had given me this information had the impression that the choice of rotations are more spread out than you all seem to be saying. It's good to hear that you can live in the same place and not be forced to pick up and move every time you change rotations. Thanks for the info.
 
Robizzle said:
Hi, I think that the whole moving around during 3rd yr rotations is not so bad if you will be rotating in different hospitals throughout the city because public transportation in NYC is excellent. I know the system is based on a lottery, and current students have said that selection usually works out for most people, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

As for moving into NYC after first year, I would not recommend it! Going to and from NYC to Valhalla, while relatively short (40 min), will be a pain in the butt to do every single day! 1st and 2nd year is all on-site in Valhalla so I would definitely stay in housing for the second year and wait to move to NYC during 3rd year. --I could also imagine the bill for transportation gettin pretty steep! It's all up to you though... I'm as single as a dollar bill, so I can't speak for married people 🙂. (I just made up that dollar bill line!)
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I was thinking about moving to NYC after first year since I thought that 2nd year was mostly self-study and there weren't a lot of lectures to attend. Do you have to go to campus every day second year? What's the typical second year schedule like?
 
hcn22 said:
I was thinking about moving to NYC after first year since I thought that 2nd year was mostly self-study and there weren't a lot of lectures to attend. Do you have to go to campus every day second year? What's the typical second year schedule like?
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That's a good point, from reading what current students have said, 2nd year is almost entirely self study. I wonder how often students still need to show up to campus though?

Does the amount of class actually decrease, or just the amount of MANDATORY class?
 
Does anyone know if financial aid info will come out soon? I know you need a login to do it and to my knowledge... I don't have one yet. Most of my schools have already had priority deadlines for fin aid.
 
Does anyone know move in dates for on campus housing?
 
Robizzle said:
That's a good point, from reading what current students have said, 2nd year is almost entirely self study. I wonder how often students still need to show up to campus though?

Does the amount of class actually decrease, or just the amount of MANDATORY class?
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There are enough mandatory classes in second year (usually along the lines of pbl/small group stuff) that having a long commute can be a righteous pain in the ass. That said, you'll be driving in the opposite direction of commuter traffic, and I know people who do this and don't have a problem coming in from the city daily.

Personally, I already don't care for NYC and I *certainly* don't like it enough to justify paying the extra money to live there AND deal with the drive in to campus every single day, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
 
hcn22 said:
I think my friends who had given me this information had the impression that the choice of rotations are more spread out than you all seem to be saying. It's good to hear that you can live in the same place and not be forced to pick up and move every time you change rotations. Thanks for the info.
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Also, to clarify -- sites that are remote from campus AND NYC provide free housing for students. The upshot of this is that even if you have to leave for a few weeks or even a couple of months, you don't need to move out of your apartment. In fact, people frequently use this as an opportunity to pick up some extra cash by subletting to people who need a place to crash for a few weeks for their own off-site rotations.
 
Zweihander said:
Also, to clarify -- sites that are remote from campus AND NYC provide free housing for students. The upshot of this is that even if you have to leave for a few weeks or even a couple of months, you don't need to move out of your apartment. In fact, people frequently use this as an opportunity to pick up some extra cash by subletting to people who need a place to crash for a few weeks for their own off-site rotations.
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is it important for residency where you get to do your rotations? Also, I have heard Greenwich Hospital is more of a resort than a hospital, and I can imagine it would be. (i'm not saying that in a bad way, it sounds like it's probably really nice!)

I just read through the above link (thanks rob)...for the past 2 or 3 hours somehow...lots of good info in there.

Do students have any "cons"/negative impressions? The only "con" i have is cost, obviously. I am not to fond of the fact that fin aid awards come out some time in June.....that is not cool when I already have mine from Creighton and need to see what I'm getting! I'm sure it's all loans, but still.
 
From what we're told it doesn't matter which hospital you do your rotation at for residency. What I've gathered from talking to upperclassmen (I'm a lowly MS2), the things that matter most for residency are Boards/Recs (correct me if i'm wrong zweihander). That being said most peopled end up getting majority of what they want for their rotations (eventually, there is a huge trade thing that goes on, its pretty funny actually). I got all my top choices, and one second choice, and I chose desirable hospitals for every rotation.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask, although this is most likely my last time on until friday, because we have the dreaded 2nd path test this friday which is supposedy the hardest one (the kidney is one hell of an organ).
 
boyz of 4d said:
From what we're told it doesn't matter which hospital you do your rotation at for residency. What I've gathered from talking to upperclassmen (I'm a lowly MS2), the things that matter most for residency are Boards/Recs (correct me if i'm wrong zweihander). That being said most peopled end up getting majority of what they want for their rotations (eventually, there is a huge trade thing that goes on, its pretty funny actually). I got all my top choices, and one second choice, and I chose desirable hospitals for every rotation.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask, although this is most likely my last time on until friday, because we have the dreaded 2nd path test this friday which is supposedy the hardest one (the kidney is one hell of an organ).
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This is accurate. I don't think it matters really where you go for rotations -- the main thing is getting a good clinical experience (or, in other words, the sort of clinical experience that YOU want to have). One advantage at NYMC is that the range of hospitals and settings (urban vs. suburban) provides several different styles and teaching settings. Some, I would say, are objectively better than others, but overall it means that people of different personalities have opportunities to find rotations that suit them more rather than less.

That all said, there is a tendency for people who are going into a particular field to try and do that rotation wherever the department chair of the university is in hopes of getting a more personal, high-powered recommendation from that person. There's something to be said for that, and it's certainly logical, but we are currently lacking prospective, randomized data on the efficacy of this practice. 😉 [/dork]
 
The kids from the read videos actually are 4th years. The main singer is going to stanford next year.
 
Hey, anyone know how the on-campus financial aid budget works for housing if you're married? Do they give you a different budget based on what housing they put you in, or do they just give you the same budget regardless and expect your spouse to pick up the rest?
 
Bobcat 05 said:
Has anyone heard anything from the school about financial aid, start dates...anything?
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Nope nope! I voted a while back that we wouldn't hear til atleast mid-April, looks like it might come true!
 
ruefr said:
Hey, anyone know how the on-campus financial aid budget works for housing if you're married? Do they give you a different budget based on what housing they put you in, or do they just give you the same budget regardless and expect your spouse to pick up the rest?
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You can call the financial aid office about that one. You should be able to find the number on the website.
 
LJDHC05 said:
They're 3rd years now.

Here's ours from this year:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ojjUGE2BH_E

I'm the "What's in the fridge" guy/camera man.
My roomate is did the writing/directing/editing/lip-syncing
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Yea Study Back, probably the most popular SDN video 😀

Are there one of these every year? I can't wait to see what our year thinks up. I'm putting my early vote in for JIM JONES - WE FLY HIGH. You heard it here first, folks.
 
Robizzle said:
Yea Study Back, probably the most popular SDN video 😀

Are there one of these every year? I can't wait to see what our year thinks up. I'm putting my early vote in for JIM JONES - WE FLY HIGH. You heard it here first, folks.
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HA! Love the suggestion. I want in! 😉
 
Almost no one moves every few weeks during 3rd and 4th year, and those who do usually chose to do so (a select number of people utilize free housing at off-site rotations for most of the year and sublet the rest, essentially living without rent and saving tons of money - but this is not for everybody). The Vast majority have a "home base" in westchester or the city, where they have a yearly lease on an apt, and stay there for most of the year. So far as I can tell, it makes no difference where you rotate when it comes to residency selection (programs will probably never know or care where you did a clerkship, they look at your performance). Every year, city based people and westchester based people match into great programs. When the time comes, where your "home base" is becomes simply a matter of preference. My base is the city. Another poster here is based in the WC. He/she has easier access to class meetings and student affairs. I have easier access to Thai food. Neither has a residency advantage....if you are married, you can/will fill out an exemption form during the lottery and will essentially get your location of choice (as long as there is a good reason, ie my spouse lives/works in NYC, or my kids go to school in Valhalla. No worries.)

Random Info: Match data from the Dean's office said that we had 98% of students match, and everyone who scrambled had a spot by match day....Financial aid filing for current students has begun, so you will be hearing about it in awhile. Those "avg debt" numbers seem low to me (since I'm one of those fools who will be in the 240,000+ range), but there are many people who do not take out the full amount of loans for various reasons. Some people have parents and other family funds (I suspect there are a number of folks in my class who have parent's footing the bill. Lucky people, to say the least), a few have scholarships, etc...The average is likely brought down by this....
 
Universe_Explorer said:
Almost no one moves every few weeks during 3rd and 4th year, and those who do usually chose to do so (a select number of people utilize free housing at off-site rotations for most of the year and sublet the rest, essentially living without rent and saving tons of money - but this is not for everybody). The Vast majority have a "home base" in westchester or the city, where they have a yearly lease on an apt, and stay there for most of the year. So far as I can tell, it makes no difference where you rotate when it comes to residency selection (programs will probably never know or care where you did a clerkship, they look at your performance). Every year, city based people and westchester based people match into great programs. When the time comes, where your "home base" is becomes simply a matter of preference. My base is the city. Another poster here is based in the WC. He/she has easier access to class meetings and student affairs. I have easier access to Thai food. Neither has a residency advantage....if you are married, you can/will fill out an exemption form during the lottery and will essentially get your location of choice (as long as there is a good reason, ie my spouse lives/works in NYC, or my kids go to school in Valhalla. No worries.)

Random Info: Match data from the Dean's office said that we had 98% of students match, and everyone who scrambled had a spot by match day....Financial aid filing for current students has begun, so you will be hearing about it in awhile. Those "avg debt" numbers seem low to me (since I'm one of those fools who will be in the 240,000+ range), but there are many people who do not take out the full amount of loans for various reasons. Some people have parents and other family funds (I suspect there are a number of folks in my class who have parent's footing the bill. Lucky people, to say the least), a few have scholarships, etc...The average is likely brought down by this....
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I know more than a few people that are taking out "loans from their parents" to pay for housing.
 
To answer the "moving to the city after first year" question, it can be done, but it's difficult. I moved to the city about half way through 2nd year, and did the reverse commute back to Valhalla. I kept my car at the train station and took the train back and forth from the city most days. There are still many days with mandatory classes second year - it's just that you only have to go for a couple hours (then the rest of the day is "self-study"). It was a pain, but not really that big a deal. Also, classes end early in May, then it's just study time, finals and then studying for the boards. A few other students in my class lived in the city during part or all of second year as well, but the vast majority stay near campus until classes are over.
 
Bobcat 05 said:
I'm NYMC '11!
Getting psyched to move into the dorms and have that lifestyle all over again!
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Congrats Bob!!! What made you make your decision? Weren't you considering some other schools?
 
Robizzle said:
Congrats Bob!!! What made you make your decision? Weren't you considering some other schools?
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It came down to NYMC (and life as a civilian) and USUHS (and life as an Army doc). What I really made my decision based on was the issue of flexibility. Had I only gotten into USUHS I would have gone, done fine, enjoyed my career, and all that stuff. However, seeing as I had the option to not go to USUHS and have more control over what I do (if you don't get your specialty in the military you don't get to scramble, you get to do what they tell you to do) and where I live, it seemed really stupid to give up that control/flexibility. Would I have liked a career as an Army doc? Yes. But after all my training if I'm still interested in the Army I can always join, but once I go to USUHS I can't un-join, and would probably be in the Army 'till I was 49 (6 years Army surgery residency + two years fellowship + 7 years USUHS payback + 2 years fellowship payback gets me 17 years towards retirement, and I would stay the last 3 to get retirement). Like I said, everything would be fine if USUHS was my only choice, but its very hard to give up 24 years flexibility.

Plus, I really liked NYMC.
 
Financial Aid

The Fin Aid page has been updated for our class (I guess they did this earlier in the month).

So I'm guessing 1st 2 years are on-campus and 2nd 2 years are off????? esp. w/ NYC???? Just trying to figure out room/board since on-campus I believe it will be less than Creighton, but off it will be clearly higher....tuition and fees are a little lower at NYMC, about 1K.
 
C.P. Jones said:
Financial Aid

The Fin Aid page has been updated for our class (I guess they did this earlier in the month).

So I'm guessing 1st 2 years are on-campus and 2nd 2 years are off????? esp. w/ NYC???? Just trying to figure out room/board since on-campus I believe it will be less than Creighton, but off it will be clearly higher....tuition and fees are a little lower at NYMC, about 1K.
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Nice, finally some news. I'm guessing no one has received the log-in name and pw for the online app though yet right?

And that's surprising, you'll be paying over 61k/year at Creighton!???
 
Robizzle said:
Nice, finally some news. I'm guessing no one has received the log-in name and pw for the online app though yet right?

And that's surprising, you'll be paying over 61k/year at Creighton!???
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still no log-in info for me. Yea, tuition at Creighton is ridiculous, so in no way do I see NYMC as an expensive school.....it's actually one of my "lower" schools if I include my WLs at Tufts, UVM, and VCU...VCU being the only lower one (still haven't heard from UConn...but I would still consider other schools over UConn since "building on a hill" isn't really interesting). At least it will be a decision based on the school and location rather than money for my 2 acceptances.
 
C.P. Jones said:
still no log-in info for me. Yea, tuition at Creighton is ridiculous, so in no way do I see NYMC as an expensive school.....it's actually one of my "lower" schools if I include my WLs at Tufts, UVM, and VCU...VCU being the only lower one (still haven't heard from UConn...but I would still consider other schools over UConn since "building on a hill" isn't really interesting). At least it will be a decision based on the school and location rather than money for my 2 acceptances.
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For what it's worth, there are no Dunkin Donuts within a few hundred miles of Creighton...that was one of the many deciding points of why I didn't follow up on my Creighton WL.
 
LJDHC05 said:
For what it's worth, there are no Dunkin Donuts within a few hundred miles of Creighton...that was one of the many deciding points of why I didn't follow up on my Creighton WL.
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That was my first real job ::shiver:: but I still like going there anyway. Do you know what percentage of students matched in total? I know Creighton says 96-98 percent of students match, and I believe their match list this year showed one or two who would need to scramble. NYMC says a quarter don't get their top 3 choices, but that doesn't mean anyone had to scramble, and the match list didn't say that there was anyone who didn't match. I'm going to ask the Creightonites what percentage got their top 3 choices.....not that it matters anyway since it depends on if I do well and if I reach for good programs.
 
looking through my interview packet, there are MANY (around 20?) clinical sites....are all of these used for rotations? I wouldn't really want to get stuck in one of the places to the north or west of campus, or a place like waterbury or danbury (waterbury sucks, danbury's nice, but it's danbury....i want to go to NYC!)
 
There are lots of clinical sites listed that aren't used regularly - or are only used for one clerkship. The major sites, which host all of the clerkships and where the majority of students will be at any given time, are Westchester Medical Center, Saint Vincent's Manhattan, Metropolitan Hospital, and Danbury Hospital. Our Lady of Mercy also has a few students for most of the rotations. Lots of other sites are used only for one or two things (for example, Greenwich Hosp takes a couple people for the Medicine Clerkship, but that's the only rotation there - you can't do surgery, etc. Similarly, Bridgeport takes a few for surgery, but nothing else). This is the long way of saying, chances are you'll spend the majority of your time at WMC, SVCMC, Met and/or Danbury...As for the match, so far as I know they do not report the percentages of people who got within their top 3 choices anymore (so schools that report that may be relying on surveying their students). This year, NYMC did not collect that data, according to what has been told to us. However, we had a 98% match rate, and all of those who scrambled found spots (rumor has it, one of those scramblers is taking a year off to go to Julliard)....
 
Universe_Explorer said:
However, we had a 98% match rate, and all of those who scrambled found spots (rumor has it, one of those scramblers is taking a year off to go to Julliard)....
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wow.....maybe better than actually matching...congrats to that person if it's true!
 
I just called the NYMC admissions office (their answering machine is still annoying) and they said orientation starts Monday August 6th. No idea if we can move in earlier or anything like that, but at least we have a start date!
 
Bobcat 05 said:
I just called the NYMC admissions office (their answering machine is still annoying) and they said orientation starts Monday August 6th. No idea if we can move in earlier or anything like that, but at least we have a start date!
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They better give us a couple days before that to move in. What did we do for college? I think they gave us the day before, or the weekend before, right?
 
Just Got The E-mail For Finaid! Wo0t
 
Yeah, Finally more info about fin aid. I tried to read it on my phone but didn't have enough battery to page through all 7 pages that appeared on the phone. My work blocks gmail and most other email services. Guess, I have to wait till I get home.
 
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