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I think I've done about all the research I could regarding these two schools but I figure more input couldn't hurt. If you had to chose between these two schools, which would you chose and why?

Here is a little more background regarding my situation. I'll be paying out of state tuition at both schools and have not received fin aid packages from either school. So lets just assume cost is not an issue. I also plan on moving back to CA for residency and am considering one of the competitive specialties. I really enjoy the city life (ie lots of choices of things to do, places to eat, bars etc...).

Thanks for any input!
 

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well the only thing i got out of your post was the city life comment.. temple is actually in the city.. nymc is in a suburb
 
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any body have any input regarding reputation, cirriculum, or student life??
 

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I don't know about NYMC, but as for Temple

The thing about Temple is that it's a diamond in the ruff. The location is dangerous relative to other medical schools, but if you can handle that, then the rest is good. Temple is building a new medical school that will be ready in 2009. This school is in response to probation and I'm pretty sure it will offer some seriously awesome stuff that will put Temple to the forefront of competition amongst accepted applicants.
 

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I was looking at both schools as well. I thought the students @ Temple were happier and I just liked the vibe there more overall. Also, I think 3rd/4th year in such an urban environment can only help you see more and do more. That part of Philly has much more of a city life than NYMC. NYMC had a unique feel to it as well, but tuition/cost of living seemed a little high.

Good luck.
 
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yeah i mean im having a really hard time deciding right now as both are excellent schools. i too, got the vibe (from interview day) that the students at temple are happier and more "chill". does anyone else have any input regarding NYMC in this respect?

as far as being in an urban environment 3rd/4th, i know NYMC students have a chance to do rotations in manhattan so thats not too bad. does anyone know how the NYMC hospitals in manhattan compare to temple university hospitals?
 

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yeah i mean im having a really hard time deciding right now as both are excellent schools. i too, got the vibe (from interview day) that the students at temple are happier and more "chill". does anyone else have any input regarding NYMC in this respect?

as far as being in an urban environment 3rd/4th, i know NYMC students have a chance to do rotations in manhattan so thats not too bad. does anyone know how the NYMC hospitals in manhattan compare to temple university hospitals?


You're right as far as NYMC rotating through the city (if you so desire) 3rd and 4th years. I'm not sure about all their NYC hospitals, although I know one of them (maybe St. Vinny's?) is pretty "desolate" or run down or whatever. Not necessarily run down, but not exactly upscale. You'd probably get a lot of cool hands on stuff there.

As for 1st and 2nd years at NYMC, I got the feeling that students were a bit stressed out. Also, the only option for housing, unless you want to pay out the nose for off-campus housing, is the on campus dorms. Not terrible, but kind of undergrad-ish.

Temple really is a diamond in the rough. Great location as far as clinical experiences. North Philly is fairly "rough" for sure. In fact, as I understand it, most (all?) Temple Med students live a good subway/train ride away, as no one really lives right near the school/hospital. Other than that, though, Temple students seem to enjoy their time there and appear less stressed. NYMC to me seemed slightly depressing, although certainly not a bad place to spend your years in medical education. In fact, for some people the contrast of isolation 1st/2nd years and high octane NYC clinical years would work out really well.

If it was up to me, I'd pick Temple without too much deliberation. But you probably can't go wrong either way.
 

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it's funny that noone seems to know much about nymc. i also fall into that group, but know a little about temple. i hate to be the naysayer (sp?) but i didn't have a positive impression of it... really bad part of town, less impressive facilities than most other med schools i've seen, high student debt (that and facilities is why the probation several years ago). i wasn't impressed with the students or faculty there, and reputation is less than ideal. i'd probably pick ny. disclaimer that this impression was from several years ago.
 

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temple! They really put students first. Also-- they have worked to create an atmosphere of appreciation when it comes to different cultures and diversity, which I think is an important characteristic for a med school.:thumbup:
 
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this is all REALLY great feedback, thx guys.

so far this is what i've gathered....

Temple provides a great med school environment as far as looking out for their students and creating a diverse and welcoming atmosphere. students are less stressed and seem to enjoy themselves a bit more, despite being in a really rough area.

NYMC gives an overall impression of a somewhat more stressful and depressing atmosphere 1st/2nd years, which shouldnt matter TOO much since you are studying anyway. however provides a more exciting opportunity to have 3r/4th year in manhattan and great board scores.

so i guess my question is, would choosing either school make a significant impact as far residency choices? (i would like to return to CA for residency) i mean i know what school you come from does not matter in most cases, as everyone is judged on the same criteria, board scores, clinical grades, rank, etc... BUT, would me picking either school give me an edge?

i mean i do not know much, but for some reason ive always thought NYMC > Temple as far as reputation goes.
 
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i am also a bit curious as to WHY im finding more negative comments about NYMC vs Temple on this board. it seems that whenever someone has somethign to say about temple it is usually something positive (besides it being in a bad part of town), and when there is a comment regarding NYMC it has usually been somewhat negative. i didn't think NYMC was all THAT bad when i visited, but i can also see where some of these naysayers are coming from.

am i missing something here?
 

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i am also a bit curious as to WHY im finding more negative comments about NYMC vs Temple on this board. it seems that whenever someone has somethign to say about temple it is usually something positive (besides it being in a bad part of town), and when there is a comment regarding NYMC it has usually been somewhat negative. i didn't think NYMC was all THAT bad when i visited, but i can also see where some of these naysayers are coming from.

am i missing something here?
There is one dude who has posted negative stuff about NYMC all over SDN, and he is doing it based on his impression of the place from his interview day and nothing else (i.e., he is not even a student there, and his knowledge of the place is pretty limited) - he has made multiple posts, repeating his opinion - just make sure you understand the limited number of people on SDN posting anything about NYMC, particularly anything negative.

What should matter to YOU is YOUR impression of the school.

If you really need and want the gritty "city" experience, and the Temple location does not deter you, then there is your answer. If you really don't want the suburban location of NYMC on a pretty manicured campus, then there is another piece to the puzzle. Both great schools otherwise that will get you to where you want to be in 4 years...
 

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Don't know anything about Temple, but I know NYMC has a great match list. In Optho they match into top top hospitals. I was surprised when I saw their match list. They seem to do very well on their boards so maybe thats how they get into to some top programs. In addition I saw in NYMC that the people who work their financial aide, deans office etc. were very nice. NYMC seems to get a bad rep in SDN and I am not sure why. I was very impressed with the school when I got there.
 

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Don't know anything about Temple, but I know NYMC has a great match list. In Optho they match into top top hospitals. I was surprised when I saw their match list. They seem to do very well on their boards so maybe thats how they get into to some top programs. In addition I saw in NYMC that the people who work their financial aide, deans office etc. were very nice. NYMC seems to get a bad rep in SDN and I am not sure why. I was very impressed with the school when I got there.
Couldn't agree more. I was extremely impressed when I went there; the campus is nice, and I loved the facilities. It's pretty sweet when they design the physical structure of the school around the curriculum instead of cramming it into a building that just happens to be near a hospital.
 

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this is all REALLY great feedback, thx guys.

so far this is what i've gathered....

Temple provides a great med school environment as far as looking out for their students and creating a diverse and welcoming atmosphere. students are less stressed and seem to enjoy themselves a bit more, despite being in a really rough area.

NYMC gives an overall impression of a somewhat more stressful and depressing atmosphere 1st/2nd years, which shouldnt matter TOO much since you are studying anyway. however provides a more exciting opportunity to have 3r/4th year in manhattan and great board scores.

so i guess my question is, would choosing either school make a significant impact as far residency choices? (i would like to return to CA for residency) i mean i know what school you come from does not matter in most cases, as everyone is judged on the same criteria, board scores, clinical grades, rank, etc... BUT, would me picking either school give me an edge?

i mean i do not know much, but for some reason ive always thought NYMC > Temple as far as reputation goes.
Alright I hardly ever post here anymore but I guess I gotta make my return to defend my school. First off to answer your question, no it doesn't matter where you go - if you do well in either place, you'll have a good shot at getting residency back in California. Now for concrete evidence, look at our match list this year:

and tell me that NYMC doesn't send students back to cali residencies, all across the specialty map. http://www.nymc.edu/Medical/match/2008/results.htm

Temple probably has similar results.

Now for some more info, the big issue it seems is that you guys say we're depressed. I can tell you my friends and I are not. We go out often, except around exam times - but who does? I feel bad for the interviewees who come around exam times because you're getting a highly distorted view of the school. I can't count how many times we go to the city. How far is it? 30 minute drive or 35 minute train ride. Some classmates and I just went to foxwoods casino the other week and boston a few weeks before that. We have intramural softball, dodgeball, football, basketball, and these are HUGE in our school. We just had a fundraiser beerpong tournament at a local bar (yes we have lots of local bars in White Plains that people go to all the time).

We have a bunch of talent / culture / comedy shows a year, have you seen "My New White Coat" or "Study Back" or the 2011 class video? Just to name a few of the products. Youtube 'em if you haven't yet.

Now for education... Westchester Medical Center is a level 1 trauma center. The next one closest by is in ALBANY from what I remember, so we chopper all sorts of cool cases in.

3rd years get to do rotations in NYC. It's a lotto system, but for the most part people get what they want. Our two big hospitals are St. Vincent's in the west village and Metropolitan hospital in East Harlem -- which by the way, is right next to our student run clinic "La Casita De La Salud" which everyone can volunteer in 1st and 2nd year. There is also OLM hospital in the Bronx, a staten island hospital, as well as Danbury in Connecticut etc. etc.

1st and 2nd year? Yea we are here in boring Valhalla, but we are a 1 minute walk from classes and we don't have to worry about getting shot. We have a beautiful anatomy lab, 2 floors worth of study mods, and a nice library. I live in a 4 person suite, 2 bathrooms and 1 kitchen. There is married housing for older folks and married people on campus. There's also tons of nice off campus housing-- I know this because there have been tons of emails going around looking for students to rent.

Our faculty IS supportive. Our dean of students Gladys Ayala is extremely helpful, our financial advisor Tony Sozzo is the MAN, and the main professors for all our classes rock and do not hesitate to go out of their way to help the students. We have a scribe service, every lecture is transcribed word for word and that's how many of the students study. We are also starting up an audio recording system.

Research? I know of atleast 60 students staying on campus to do paid research funded by NYMC this summer. There's tons of students going home to do research, a bunch doing work abroad, and a bunch just chillaxing. I personally wanted to go down to the city to do research so I'll be living down there.

We do well on the boards, we match well -- just like all the other schools do so you can't bash us for that. All in all, we're known as a lower tier school but we get an upper class education.

Thanks for hearing me out, I'm headed to the gym.
Oh yea, we just got 40,000 from the alumni association to pump into rennovating our gym.
 
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thanks robizzle, this is EXACTLY the information i needed! that was very very helpful.


so after visiting NY a couple times ive really grown to love the city life. i love NY and everything about it and can really picture myself living IN the city and going to school in the city. i love all the diversity and the hustle and bustle the city has to offer.

now my current dilemma....i guess what i would like to know is will i be receiving a "lesser" clinical education if i live my my entire 3rd/4th year in NYC. i know many people have said that they jump around because some rotations are great in NYC and some are better at other hospitals (ie westchester peds, etc...). how are the clinical learning hospitals in NYC?

if the hospitals as a whole are better in westchester and it would be more beneficial to just stay in westchester all 4 years then temple might be a better choice for me just so i'll be in the city. however, if i'll truly be able to experience the city life for at least half my med school education then i think i would be satisfied. now i know that i could just chose a city environment for my residency if i truly want to experience more city life, but as of right now i am factoring that out of my decision.


ahhhh, i guess the stress never ends i this process does it?
 

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thanks robizzle, this is EXACTLY the information i needed! that was very very helpful.


so after visiting NY a couple times ive really grown to love the city life. i love NY and everything about it and can really picture myself living IN the city and going to school in the city. i love all the diversity and the hustle and bustle the city has to offer.

now my current dilemma....i guess what i would like to know is will i be receiving a "lesser" clinical education if i live my my entire 3rd/4th year in NYC. i know many people have said that they jump around because some rotations are great in NYC and some are better at other hospitals (ie westchester peds, etc...). how are the clinical learning hospitals in NYC?

if the hospitals as a whole are better in westchester and it would be more beneficial to just stay in westchester all 4 years then temple might be a better choice for me just so i'll be in the city. however, if i'll truly be able to experience the city life for at least half my med school education then i think i would be satisfied. now i know that i could just chose a city environment for my residency if i truly want to experience more city life, but as of right now i am factoring that out of my decision.


ahhhh, i guess the stress never ends i this process does it?
I know when I interviewed there they talked quite a bit about the clinical rotations. You can do part of them in the city, but you can also do some of them out of the city (for some reason I'm remembering OB/GYN as one that people prefer to do out in Westchester, as they have a fantastic children's hospital right there on site). NYMC is truly one of the few schools that I could name where you can get both the very urban rotations as well as more suburban/even rural rotations if you so choose. The possibilities there are really great for the clinical years.
 

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temple's new medical school building is opening up in a year.. that's something to look forward to. And im sure the cost of living in ny is more expensive than philly
 

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Im a 2nd year at NYMC so I cant tell you a whole lot about the quality of the hospitals in NYC yet (I start peds in NYC in July!) but... I can tell you that St. Vincents is the ONLY level 1 trauma center on the west side of NYC from battery park up until 50th st or something like that. That includes financial district, soho, tribeca, west village, greenwich village, chelsea, meatpacking, hell's kitchen, etc... So YEAH its a busy hospital and I have a hard time believing that the clinical exposure there is anything short of amazing. Sure their buildings are old but theyre building a brand new hospital opening in 2011. Might be too late for you but whatever. I dont know much about temple but I can tell you years 1 and 2 at nymc have been great. I go out to NYC all the time, and when I want quiet study time westchester is perfect. I live off campus for about $750 a month in a nice house with my friends. STOP dissing NYMC SDN our match list speaks for itself. sure NY is expensive but its also a cool place to live when you're young. watch "study back" on youtube to see our profs
 

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From what I know, NYMC has a better reputation and better match list
 

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NYMC takes a lot of students from California and they usually end up going back there for residencies. I say go to the cheaper school with the better location, for me it would be NYMC.
 

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I just wanted to support everything that Robizzle and Fender have said. NYMC is a great school, and it easily shows....the last match list was simply amazing! Students are NOT depressed all the time. It is hard to come by the school when there are exams coming up, but that is not a fair representation of the school. Also, I'm not really sure what med school one would expect to go to and not learn the information.

I also have not been back here in forever, but if you have specific questions, feel free to find the Class of 2011 facebook group.
 
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ahhhh, this is such a hard decision!!!

so from what ive heard it seems like the schools are pretty similar
 

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ahhhh, this is such a hard decision!!!

so from what ive heard it seems like the schools are pretty similar

I think one of the big issues is: where do you want to live during your preclinical years?

If you're cool with an urban environment, go with Temple. If you'd prefer a secluded area to study, go with NYMC. The clinical years are what you make of them.
 
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I REALLY like NYC. But I don't know how I feel about living 30-40 mins away from the city. I know I will get a chance to live in the city if I do rotations in Manhattan 3rd and 4th year, but do you really have time to enjoy what the city has to offer 3rd and 4th year? Just trying to figure out if living in the bigger city (NYC) for 3rd and 4th years only will outweigh living in Philly for 4 years. I mean I'm not hating on Philly or anything, but it just cant compare to NYC.

However, what attracts me to Temple is the new medical building that will be open in 09 and what it has to offer. It really seems like Temple is making great efforts to improve its program, reputation, and research opportunities and will continue to do so in years to come.
 

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Temple> NYMC

I would say this based on area. NYMC is suburban but crowded, so its the inconvience and expense of the city without the benefit. Yes you do get the option of the city 3/4 years but its lottery and you could get stuck in westchester or in connet. Temple is city...period.
 

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Just wanted to weigh in on the distance issue. I'm not sure if anyone has looked this up, but philly is 1h50min from nyc, while nymc is 50 minutes (according to google maps). So, you're talking about an hour difference to get to the city. Would this really prohibit you from visiting the city once in a a while?

Distance aside, my biggest concern from nymc is that I never got the feeling they were at all concerned with educating comptent clinicians. All they brag about is their a)board scores, and b)match list. What they don't tell you is that their board score is not a reflection of the passion their students have for the learned material, but rather the reflection of the weight the school places on passing the boards. When I asked the students there about clinical exposure, they all kept mentioning that it's available, but entirely a function of the desire and drive of the student to pursue it. Speaking of clinical exposure- Westchester hospital? Give me a break- You'll find more diversity in a jewish community center. Temple's location, shady as it may be, sees a tremendously diverse patient population and is crucial to one's medical education. When I asked my tour guide what they do for fun there, she replied "we drink alot". The campus also seemed extremely isolated and the dorms were a rip off for what they were.

As for the reputation aspect, I interact with many attendings and residents on a daily basis, and not a single one has favored nymc over temple- In fact, many were very negative about the quality of nymc.

Obviously, these are my impressions. I have no agenda, as I have withdrawn from both schools. Take everything with a grain of salt and listen to your gut more than to complete strangers.
 

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I don't have much experience with nymc, but had an amazing time at Temple. It offers such a great clinical opportunity in an urban area. Figure out your honest opinions on what area you want to be in for 4 years along with what type of clinical environment you want and then cost considerations and make your choice from there.
 
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yeah, i mean i guess my heart is leaning towards temple because I feel like I might have a better time there, but its just really hard giving up the opportunity to be in NY, which has always been somewhat of a dream for me.


when is the absolute latest we can notify a school of withdrawal?? may 14th via phone call?
email?
may 15th?

i feel bad dragging it out so long but this is one of the toughest decisions for me.
 

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hey nblook28...

I just wanted to say that i am in the same situation as yourself. I too am a CA resident and am deciding between Temple and NYMC. Trying to decide where and how I will be spending the next four years of my life is so tough. I still haven't made my decision yet, but as of now, i'm leaning towards NY. I guess that doesn't mean too much though cause i've been flipping my mind like pancakes. Anyways, I think I will let them know whichever way I finally decide by tomorrow... I'm not sure i want to risk by waiting until the 15th. Good LUCK!
 
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hey fresh, glad to hear im not the only one. why are you leaning towards NY??