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i just bought a new laptop for school with windows vista on it. the pda i am currently interested in is only compatible with xp. does it really matter if they arent compatible? will it make that much of a difference? if so, are there any other pdas out there compatible with vista that arent super expensive? (over $250)

any recommendations on certain pdas in general? i dont want a phone in my pda cause i dont want to lug my huge pda around if i'm just going out at night and i dont want to break my contract with cingular right now, but i think i do want wifi. thanks
 
i heard from d1/d2 students that you dont really need a pda at all and none had one.
 
really? but they ask you to have one and bring it to orientation...
 
The school may not require it, but a PDA is the best time planning/info retrieval device ever invented. I started using PDAs about 7 years ago and haven't been without one since. PDA's are so useful that once you start using one you won't know how you lived without it, IF you are the right type of person.

In order for a PDA to be really useful, you must develop two basic habits. You have to put information into it as you acquire it and you have to carry it with you at all times. I have occasionally run into people who tell me they have a PDA that they bought years ago and never really used. After a few questions I usually find that they never developed one or the other of the two habits, especially the carrying habit. If you don't carry it with you EVERYWHERE, you may as well not have it. A PDA requires a couple months of carrying and daily use to become really useful.

As you start to use it you start replacing other things with it. Grocery lists can be stored in HandyShopper (a freebie). You can read some .pda files using the adobe reader for PalmOS. Need a timer to time a lab process or wake you from a power nap during a marathon study session? BigClock. Need a periodic table? ChemTable. Can't remember how to fret a second position Gm7 chord on your guitar? ChordDB. Like to keep up with news? AvantGo. Need a graphing scientific calculator? EasyCalc. Want to know when Saturn rises tomorrow night? AstroInfo. Want an addictive game to waste some time? Bubblet. Need a secure location to store your computer passwords and other private info? KeyRing. Need an incredible Japanese-English-Japanese dictionary? PADict. All of these are FREE, and of course, there are a ton of commercial apps available, too, usually for very low cost.

I favor PalmOS devices (I use a Palm TX), mainly because I hate M$, but there's a ton of useful software available for either flavor. Unfortunately, Palm has gone through several corporate restructurings in the last few years which means the suits that run the place are too worried about keeping their jobs to bother with product development so the OS development has been in a holding pattern. I imagine they have a difficult time hiring and retaining engineers due to all the corporate shuffling, too. They haven't come out with a new PalmOS based PDA since the TX came out about 4 or 5 years ago. The Treo phones haven't used PalmOS for a couple years. The future of PalmOS is not bright, but it doesn't matter. Your PDA will last you 5 or 6 years if you don't break it or lose it (my last one, a Treo 300 that I got 5 years ago has been retired, still working). In 5 or 6 years you'll want the new one with Gb fiberless optical networking, GPS, and speech recognition. Will it come from Palm? Hmmmm.

I have no experience with pocket PCs running Windoze, but windoze on my desktop computers has been such a problem over the years that I look for ways to avoid anything that involves M$. I can't quit windoze on my desktop computer because some apps are not yet available for Linux, but I don't have to have M$ in my PDA so I don't.

RP
 
The school may not require it, but a PDA is the best time planning/info retrieval device ever invented. I started using PDAs about 7 years ago and haven't been without one since. PDA's are so useful that once you start using one you won't know how you lived without it, IF you are the right type of person.

In order for a PDA to be really useful, you must develop two basic habits. You have to put information into it as you acquire it and you have to carry it with you at all times. I have occasionally run into people who tell me they have a PDA that they bought years ago and never really used. After a few questions I usually find that they never developed one or the other of the two habits, especially the carrying habit. If you don't carry it with you EVERYWHERE, you may as well not have it. A PDA requires a couple months of carrying and daily use to become really useful.

As you start to use it you start replacing other things with it. Grocery lists can be stored in HandyShopper (a freebie). You can read some .pda files using the adobe reader for PalmOS. Need a timer to time a lab process or wake you from a power nap during a marathon study session? BigClock. Need a periodic table? ChemTable. Can't remember how to fret a second position Gm7 chord on your guitar? ChordDB. Like to keep up with news? AvantGo. Need a graphing scientific calculator? EasyCalc. Want to know when Saturn rises tomorrow night? AstroInfo. Want an addictive game to waste some time? Bubblet. Need a secure location to store your computer passwords and other private info? KeyRing. Need an incredible Japanese-English-Japanese dictionary? PADict. All of these are FREE, and of course, there are a ton of commercial apps available, too, usually for very low cost.

I favor PalmOS devices (I use a Palm TX), mainly because I hate M$, but there's a ton of useful software available for either flavor. Unfortunately, Palm has gone through several corporate restructurings in the last few years which means the suits that run the place are too worried about keeping their jobs to bother with product development so the OS development has been in a holding pattern. I imagine they have a difficult time hiring and retaining engineers due to all the coroprate shuffling, too. They haven't come out with a new PalmOS based PDA since the TX came out about 4 or 5 years ago. The Treo phones haven't used PalmOS for a couple years. The future of PalmOS is not bright, but it doesn't matter. Your PDA will last you 5 or 6 years if you don't break it or lose it (my last one, a Treo 300 that I got 5 years ago has been retired, still working). In 5 or 6 years you'll want the new one with Gb fiberless optical networking, GPS, and speech recognition. Will it come from Palm? Hmmmm.

I have no experience with pocket PCs running Windoze, but windoze on my desktop computers has been such a problem over the years that I look for ways to avoid anything that involves M$. I can't quit windoze on my desktop computer because some apps are not yet available for Linux, but I don't have to have M$ in my PDA so I don't.

RP

what is M$?
 
The school may not require it, but a PDA is the best time planning/info retrieval device ever invented. I started using PDAs about 7 years ago and haven't been without one since. PDA's are so useful that once you start using one you won't know how you lived without it, IF you are the right type of person.

In order for a PDA to be really useful, you must develop two basic habits. You have to put information into it as you acquire it and you have to carry it with you at all times. I have occasionally run into people who tell me they have a PDA that they bought years ago and never really used. After a few questions I usually find that they never developed one or the other of the two habits, especially the carrying habit. If you don't carry it with you EVERYWHERE, you may as well not have it. A PDA requires a couple months of carrying and daily use to become really useful.

As you start to use it you start replacing other things with it. Grocery lists can be stored in HandyShopper (a freebie). You can read some .pda files using the adobe reader for PalmOS. Need a timer to time a lab process or wake you from a power nap during a marathon study session? BigClock. Need a periodic table? ChemTable. Can't remember how to fret a second position Gm7 chord on your guitar? ChordDB. Like to keep up with news? AvantGo. Need a graphing scientific calculator? EasyCalc. Want to know when Saturn rises tomorrow night? AstroInfo. Want an addictive game to waste some time? Bubblet. Need a secure location to store your computer passwords and other private info? KeyRing. Need an incredible Japanese-English-Japanese dictionary? PADict. All of these are FREE, and of course, there are a ton of commercial apps available, too, usually for very low cost.

I favor PalmOS devices (I use a Palm TX), mainly because I hate M$, but there's a ton of useful software available for either flavor. Unfortunately, Palm has gone through several corporate restructurings in the last few years which means the suits that run the place are too worried about keeping their jobs to bother with product development so the OS development has been in a holding pattern. I imagine they have a difficult time hiring and retaining engineers due to all the coroprate shuffling, too. They haven't come out with a new PalmOS based PDA since the TX came out about 4 or 5 years ago. The Treo phones haven't used PalmOS for a couple years. The future of PalmOS is not bright, but it doesn't matter. Your PDA will last you 5 or 6 years if you don't break it or lose it (my last one, a Treo 300 that I got 5 years ago has been retired, still working). In 5 or 6 years you'll want the new one with Gb fiberless optical networking, GPS, and speech recognition. Will it come from Palm? Hmmmm.

I have no experience with pocket PCs running Windoze, but windoze on my desktop computers has been such a problem over the years that I look for ways to avoid anything that involves M$. I can't quit windoze on my desktop computer because some apps are not yet available for Linux, but I don't have to have M$ in my PDA so I don't.

RP


the tungsten tx is the one i am interested in, but it only runs windows xp, and my new laptop has windows vista. someone told me its better to have it compatible cause it's more convenient and you'll have all your info in one spot. my main uses for it include a planner and the internet. i dont think i really need all that extra stuff you're talking about lol. oh yeah and to store pics so i can show people my pics.
 
what is M$?

Micro$oft.

Yeah, just like M$ to "improve" their products and suddenly render everyone's existing software/hardware obsolete. They keep "upgrading" office products with new file formats that render older versions of the same programs incompatible, thereby forcing people to buy new office software even if the old version was just fine and met all their needs.

Most big corporations refuse to switch to vista because it's too buggy. They are letting early-adopter type home users debug it for them.

I hope that someday I'll get a M$ executive in my chair!

RP
 
the tungsten tx is the one i am interested in, but it only runs windows xp, and my new laptop has windows vista. someone told me its better to have it compatible cause it's more convenient and you'll have all your info in one spot. my main uses for it include a planner and the internet. i dont think i really need all that extra stuff you're talking about lol. oh yeah and to store pics so i can show people my pics.

Once you start using it you'll discover the usefulness of all that other stuff, especially since you'll be carrying it around all the time.

The PDA "runs" PalmOS. The sync software that stores copies of PDA contents on your PC is the part that is not working yet. Palm sells and has sold a lot of PDAs so they should have Vista sync software out pretty quickly.

http://www.palm.com/us/support/windowsvista/

see here also...
http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=windows_hotsync&thread.id=17980

RP
 
you dont have to have it but they need you to have it at orientation (Application of Technology in Health & Health Practice) where they check to see if you have the right laptop and pda. last year those who thought we dont need it so we dont buy it were told to go out and buy a pda ASAP.
P.S. good info RP, i need to make sure i get all those free apps. I wanna get a palm tx and i think amazon has the best price and they dont charge tax so what you see is what you pay
 
btw they put a file on your pda which has your full hour by hour schedule for the whole academic year which is awsome!
 
regarding web browsing on a PDA...

In short, it sucks. It's OK for an occasional look at something, but it is no substuitute for a machine with a bigger display. Most pages don't display well on the low res screen. Web browsers in PDAs don't cache pages (at least, none that I have looked at do) so each time you hit the back or forward buttons the entire page has to DL again.

Some web page layouts are being set up so they look OK on tiny smart-phone displays, but those are mainly sites that are trying to sell garbage like ring-tones, or maybe sports scores for gambling addicts. AvantGo is the best way to access a lot of web content because it gets formatted specifically for the PDAs screen resolution. AvantGo can be sync'd by itself directly via wi-fi or through the normal sync for the whole PDA. You can subscribe (free!) to things like NY Times, Wired mag, etc.

The main drawback to the TX that I have run into is the relatively short battery charge life. If you run wi-fi a lot you'll only get a couple hours. It will recharge via either the USB sync cable or the AC adapter- I mainly use the USB cable. The Li Ion battery in my Treo 300 was still working fine, though at slightly diminished capacity, after 5 years of daily use.

I set my laptop up to sync via bluetooth, but since I use the USB cable for charging, it's sort of pointless to use bluetooth to sync. I guess it would be OK if you want to stay sync'd on more than one machine and you leave the cable connected to one or the other for charging.

RP
 
If you're going to carry it around with you, you'll want some sort of either hard case or case with a belt clip (yes, very unfashionable, but around here I never wear shirts that don't cover it). I have the Palm aluminum hardcase which would be good for stuffing in your pocket, backpack, or in a purse with other junk because it protects the screen, but it has no holes to access any of the various jacks on the side, bottom, and top of the thing. Also, the aluminum seems to reduce the wifi signal strength considerably. It has no belt clip.

I also have the Rhinoskin aluminum case that has a belt clip and holes to access everything. It's pretty nice, but the cover doesn't fold under, so you end up holding the PDA like a book which isn't optimal. Again, aluminum reduces wifi signal strength.

I recently bought one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Silicone-Skin-C...16QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3311QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It was dirt cheap. It seems to provide reasonable protection for the PDA without being too bulky. The silicone is very easy on your hand that holds it, and it doesn't interfere with wifi. The plastic screen cover flips up. The only thing I'm not so sure about is that the screen cover attaches by two pins that go into the silicone. The silicone is very stretchy and it is very easy to pull the cover off. I haven't had it fall off yet, but I can forsee it happening if you sit up against something that puts some pressure against edge of the PDA. The belt clip works well.

I think if you're planning to make good use of the PDA, a belt clip is essential. You need to be able to whip it out when info presents itself or is demanded. If you have to dig around in a backpack to find the PDA, by the time you've taken off the backpack and dug it out you will have either forgotten the info or will be asking yourself why you bother with the thing. If you're afraid of becoming a fashion pariah you can use the belt clip to clip the PDA to a backpack strap.

RP
 
i just bought a new laptop for school with windows vista on it. the pda i am currently interested in is only compatible with xp. does it really matter if they arent compatible? will it make that much of a difference? if so, are there any other pdas out there compatible with vista that arent super expensive? (over $250)

any recommendations on certain pdas in general? i dont want a phone in my pda cause i dont want to lug my huge pda around if i'm just going out at night and i dont want to break my contract with cingular right now, but i think i do want wifi. thanks


I NEVER saw anyone use a pda in clinic for patient care. Given all the instruments/supplies you'll be lugging around in clinic, it's a hassle to bring in an expensive device that you'll use infrequently just to look up mechanisms and side effects of medications. And if you were to run into any technical difficulties, it's really hard and tiring to get any help from NYU's tech support dept.

Also, EVERYONE uses the clinic computers ( there's one on each clinic side ) to look up info on medications.

Then again, I don't know if the requirements are different for your incoming class, but I doubt things have changed that much. ( I entered NYU in '03, and graduated last month )
 
Does anyone know what's the main purpose of a PDA throughout our 4 years?

I'm debating between a Palm TX which is pretty nice ($266 at Amazon) and a HP IPAQ 3950 (~$100 from Ubid.com).

Palm TX is one of their recommended PDA, so it won't have any problem meeting the NYU PDA requirement. HP IPAQ 3950 doesn't meet their OS requirement (2003 not Win Mobile 5.0), but can run Epocrates as they wanted. If all NYU wanted is to run Epocrates and get me through the orientation, then I want to get the HP IPAQ b/c it's cheaper.... If I really need it for the 4 years then I'll buy the Palm TX.

Can I get some advice?

Thanks
 
As far as I'm concerned the only thing a pda is useful for is to look up info on what drugs pt's are taking on epocrates, oh and tetris is always fun, other than that it makes an ok paperweight
 
Any current NYU students want to comment on the necessity of the PDA?

Is it only used for Epocrates and the class schedule?
 
you dont need the pda at all in year 1/2. you need it 3rd/4th i verified with many d1 and d2 students. you only need it for the pharmacology app they want u to install. if you really care about getting one, get the treo phone which runs palm os
 
Here is a question...

The new iPhone cane run the Epocrates software over the web. Would tha be sufficient?
 
we don't need PALM OS, right?

As long as its Windows Mobile 5.0 we're good?

Cuz I've had my eye on that HTC HERMES (cingular 8525)
 
I use my pda for all drugs info (Lexicomp). Very handy when you need to look at patients' drugs list. Some people take about half a pharmacy so if you can search them, then run a quick check to see if any of these is contraindicated to the med you are about to prescribe, etc.... It's a fine thing to have. I'm happy that I use it, everyday.
I usually keep in my scrub pocket so it doesn't take lots of room
 
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