NYU Specialty Rate?
Started by oriJINal
This hasn't been confirmed and you may need to ask the admissions office but I've heard it is about 20%.
NYU PostGrad specialties (I've heard) favor NYU dental students. NYU has all the specialties and they really do try to help you get in. The only downside is that NYU is a private school so you'll still need to pay tuition :\
NYU PostGrad specialties (I've heard) favor NYU dental students. NYU has all the specialties and they really do try to help you get in. The only downside is that NYU is a private school so you'll still need to pay tuition :\
Do you happen to know how many of c/o 2011 grauates applied to ortho and got matched?
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Hmm..
So NYU ortho doesn't favor NYU students as phungy mentioned?
Do you happen to know if there are any post-doctoral placement statistics for NYU students?
I can't find it anywhere and admissions told me that they don't know...
NYU ortho is so poorly run it's not even funny. I have a bad taste in my mouth about ortho in general, but our program chases the money -- I heard they only accepted cash-paying international students this year. Who knows.
They keep the stats but I don't know where to get them. What else do you want to know? Specifically about ortho? Go somewhere else if you know you want to do ortho.
They keep the stats but I don't know where to get them. What else do you want to know? Specifically about ortho? Go somewhere else if you know you want to do ortho.
I don't think "specialty rate" is a meaningful statistics; the number or percentage of people who go into specialties from your class is irrelevant to whether or not YOU can specialize. You just need to become one of those who get in. Some ortho residents come from a school from which 13 out of 35 people get into ortho, and some come from a school from which only 2 out of 80 people get into ortho. What works best for some people may not work for others. Everyone is different, so no one can tell you which particular dental school is good or bad for you for specializing.
So far as ortho is concerned, NYUCD does provide excellent opportunities for those who want to specialize in ortho. NYUCD's predoctoral orthodontic education is regarded as a model curriculum in the nation, as exemplified by the predoctoral Invisalign program. The predoctoral director is a leader in dental education and is very active in educational research. If you want to learn more, read the JDE articles on NYUCD's competency-based predoctoral orthodontic curriculum. A select number of D4 students participate in the Honors in Orthodontics program, which is tremendously helpful when applying for orthodontics residency programs.
NYUCD's ortho residency program is one of the best in the nation. The department has 9 full-time faculties, who have impressive credentials; 3 of them have a PhD; 2 of them are recipients of Milo Hellman Award. FYI, many other programs that accept similar number of residents have only 2 or 3 full-time faculties. The Chair and the Program Director, both from Harvard, are top-notch academicians. The guest lecturers include worldly renowned clinicians like Dr. Alexander and Dr. Fillion. The residents gain experience in utilizing a variety of treatment techniques, including lingual orthodontics, TADs, and lasers. The patient population is diverse, and you never have trouble getting enough patients. The program is 3-years long, so you get to see cases from start to finish. The program also offers an amazing environment for orthodontic research. NYUCD's Consortium for Translational Orthodontic Research has a very strong concentration of basic science research that specifically addresses fundamental questions in orthodontics.
The bottom line is, "specialty rate" isn't important at all. What really matters is how much you can utilize the resources that your school has to offer in a way that will help you enhance your candidacy for specializing.
So far as ortho is concerned, NYUCD does provide excellent opportunities for those who want to specialize in ortho. NYUCD's predoctoral orthodontic education is regarded as a model curriculum in the nation, as exemplified by the predoctoral Invisalign program. The predoctoral director is a leader in dental education and is very active in educational research. If you want to learn more, read the JDE articles on NYUCD's competency-based predoctoral orthodontic curriculum. A select number of D4 students participate in the Honors in Orthodontics program, which is tremendously helpful when applying for orthodontics residency programs.
NYUCD's ortho residency program is one of the best in the nation. The department has 9 full-time faculties, who have impressive credentials; 3 of them have a PhD; 2 of them are recipients of Milo Hellman Award. FYI, many other programs that accept similar number of residents have only 2 or 3 full-time faculties. The Chair and the Program Director, both from Harvard, are top-notch academicians. The guest lecturers include worldly renowned clinicians like Dr. Alexander and Dr. Fillion. The residents gain experience in utilizing a variety of treatment techniques, including lingual orthodontics, TADs, and lasers. The patient population is diverse, and you never have trouble getting enough patients. The program is 3-years long, so you get to see cases from start to finish. The program also offers an amazing environment for orthodontic research. NYUCD's Consortium for Translational Orthodontic Research has a very strong concentration of basic science research that specifically addresses fundamental questions in orthodontics.
The bottom line is, "specialty rate" isn't important at all. What really matters is how much you can utilize the resources that your school has to offer in a way that will help you enhance your candidacy for specializing.
Thanks,
My actual curiosity was in the % of NYU applicants that got matched.
Do ortho programs and institutons think not highly of NYU graduates regardless of their achievements (high class rank, high GRE, tons of research, ec's, and leadership experiences) as opposed to those who graduated from top feeder schools as Harvard, UCLA, UCSF, UCONN, UPenn, Columbia, etc...?
I want to know if NYU students will be at a disadvantage at all...
The problem with the Invisalign program is that it's taught in the same manner as everything else at the predoctoral level in ortho -- we're "taught" endlessly on case selection and when to refer but next to nothing on the science, biomechanics, or possibilities of the actual treatment modality. I've heard this is a national problem and not just isolated to NYU. It seems like a turf war and ortho is trying to hold onto the "secrets" of tooth movement. But I'd love to learn how to tip a molar or extrude a tooth prior to implant placement. Ortho is so much more than knowing when to refer -- it should be knowing what ortho can do! It's a tremendously interdisciplinary field and can help almost any fixed pros case, but we're taught jack about that. And nevermind learning any of the craniofacial stuff. Sigh...
Our invisalign course consisted of five lectures on how to fill out the paperwork and how to see if a case qualifies. At the predoc level we only use the anterior product (mostly for relapse or minor cosmetic movement - if you want to do full-case ortho after you graduate you need more training) and our final exam consisted of correctly diagnosing a case as one that qualifies for the anterior product or one we should refer for comprehensive ortho. We had an ortho seminar that, again, taught us when to refer (always) and for what. Our final exam consisted of coming up with a problem list and what to write on our referral to the orthodontist -- growth modification, comprehensive ortho treatment, or orthognathic sx. Our senior year class in ortho consisted of one class to retest us on our ability to properly refer.
I think the faculty in ortho at NYU are very nice. I think they care. I just think they're trying to hold their specialty a little too close to their chest. Our first year we had a lecture from all the department chairs so they could describe their specialty. The ortho guy (who's ego is larger than his waistline, somehow) stood up, huffed over to the mike, said "you'll all want to do ortho but none of you will get in", then shuffled away. That about sums it up.
I'm pretty happy with NYU and think they have some stellar PG programs. Pros and Perio are probably the best in the country (but expensive), OS has some of the best names in the biz with bertolami, schmidt, and hirsch, endo teaches all the cool stuff -- even implants, the esthetics program is amazing, and there are international programs in just about everything. It's an international powerhouse of dentisty -- I just don't think very highly of the ortho program here. And neither do any of the students who apply for ortho. Or the senior honors students. Nor does my resident friend. In fact, corticotomy, you're the first person I've heard who gave NYU ortho a positive review.
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i have to agree with everything written here -- i think it's a true/objective assessment. seems that corticotomy is a current NYU ortho resident or has some vested interest otherwise? as far as i know, NYU ortho has a horrible reputation both among residents and adminstration. from what i've seen over the last year, they (and too many other ortho programs, unfortunately) appear to only care about $$ and engage in unethical practices when interviewing/ranking applicants for the MATCH. i personally know of applicants that ONLY applied to NYU bc they knew they would have ZERO chance anywhere else and matched there bc of connections/$$$$. this isn't a problem specifically limited to NYU, but i think it's disgusting no matter who's involved.
I dont care how bad the NYU ortho program is. If it is an accredited program, it is good enough for me. I would put the 2-year NYU ortho program higher on my rank list than the more reputable 3-year ortho programs such as Harvard, UNC, Michigan.
Does the reputation of the ortho program matter as long as it is accredited and not lose its accreditation?
I was checking out the NYU website and it says they changed to 3 years since 2 years ago if that would change your rank list.
"Length of the Program
Up to these days, the Advanced Education Program in Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics has been starting August 1 of each year and lasted two full calendar years (24 months). However, for the students starting August 1, 2009, the duration of the program will be three years."
I didnt know about this change at NYU ..then NYU would be on the bottom of my ranked list due to its high tuition.
i guess i'd have to say it doesn't really matter. an orthodontist is an orthodontist no matter where they graduated from. most patients won't know any difference bt the programs, but perhaps perception among the orthodontic community may or may not be a different story.
I am not an ortho resident at NYUCD or have any vested interest
I just wanted to contribute what I know about the program. I went to NYUCD and participated in the Honors in Orthodontics program, so I know the ortho program and the faculties very well. NYUCDs ortho program is a strong program, and I am saying this based upon the facts the number of full-time faculties and their credentials, guest lecturers, case load, patient population, varieties of techniques taught, and the strength in basic science research specifically related to orthodontics. I just chose to come to my current program due to the cost and because I wanted to get a graduate degree.
As for the predoctoral Invisalign program, case selection is emphasized because it is THE key in using Invisalign, and I think it is a correct approach. You do have additional Invisalign lectures in D3. I learned a lot from treating an Invisalign case from start to finish, for which an experienced orthodontic faculty walked me through step by step. I gained first-hand experience in how to make good PVS impressions, how to modify ClinCheck, what I need to check at each visit, how to do case refinement, and so on. The D3 Advanced Ortho course also covers a lot of material that may not be taught at many other schools. You have lectures on biomechanics which goes over the moments and forces for off-center V-bends in different planes. You have a lecture on surgical orthodontics, which goes over the hierarchy of stability and even covers corticotomy-facilitated orthodontics. You have a lecture on functional appliance, which goes over Andresens activator, Bionator, Frankel, Twin Block, Herbst, and others. The lecture on force delivery system coveres stress-strain curve for TMA, niti, and SS, as well as definitions of stiffness, resilience, springback, and so on. My ortho residency classmates were very impressed by what I knew from NYUCDs predoc orthodontics curriculum.
To get back to the OPs question, I came to dental school to become an orthodontist, and I am very happy that I went to NYUCD. NYUCD graduates get into competitive ortho residency programs, like Columbia, Tufts, Maryland, Harvard, Rochester, and so on. It is entirely up to you if you can fully utilize the resources that the school has to offer.
As for the predoctoral Invisalign program, case selection is emphasized because it is THE key in using Invisalign, and I think it is a correct approach. You do have additional Invisalign lectures in D3. I learned a lot from treating an Invisalign case from start to finish, for which an experienced orthodontic faculty walked me through step by step. I gained first-hand experience in how to make good PVS impressions, how to modify ClinCheck, what I need to check at each visit, how to do case refinement, and so on. The D3 Advanced Ortho course also covers a lot of material that may not be taught at many other schools. You have lectures on biomechanics which goes over the moments and forces for off-center V-bends in different planes. You have a lecture on surgical orthodontics, which goes over the hierarchy of stability and even covers corticotomy-facilitated orthodontics. You have a lecture on functional appliance, which goes over Andresens activator, Bionator, Frankel, Twin Block, Herbst, and others. The lecture on force delivery system coveres stress-strain curve for TMA, niti, and SS, as well as definitions of stiffness, resilience, springback, and so on. My ortho residency classmates were very impressed by what I knew from NYUCDs predoc orthodontics curriculum.
To get back to the OPs question, I came to dental school to become an orthodontist, and I am very happy that I went to NYUCD. NYUCD graduates get into competitive ortho residency programs, like Columbia, Tufts, Maryland, Harvard, Rochester, and so on. It is entirely up to you if you can fully utilize the resources that the school has to offer.
Did you specifically know any of your classmates while in dental school that got into ortho residency programs in those schools that you mentioned?
Sweet, thanks.
I just had the feeling that NYU graduates are at a disadvantage when applying to specialty programs as compared to other schools that places majority of their students in specialties.
I guess it really does not matter which dental school you attend as long as you are at the top of your class.
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