NYU versus UDM

[sarasam]

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Please help me to choose between NYU and UDM. I have considered some factors below, but if you know anything else that might help me in deciding between the two please share it with me.
School size:
NYU has huge classes with 210 +100 students. UDM has only 85 students. The number of students makes it easy or difficult to participate in out-reach/research programs (because of insane competition) and making good connection for the future. I applied to summer research program at NYU but they didn't accept me. (on the website it says you don't need to have any experience with research to participate, but in their email they said because I don't have research experience, they can't consider me. Very interesting!!!) I am afraid this might happen in the future as well as there are many other qualified students and I don't get a chance.
Facilities:
Both have great facilities.
Location:
NYU is in Good neighborhood, but UDM is in ghetto (there is security guard in the school and all outside doors are locked with fence all along the building).
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Place of living:
NYC is very expensive city and rents for a studio/1bedroom run between $1000 to $1800. Plus you don't need to be very close to school because NYC has an extensive subway system.
In Detroit rents out of the city around Royal Oak is around 1000-1200. But you need to have a car.
Specialty:
NYU has almost all specialties. But UDM is still working on it with only three specialties (Ortho,Endo, Perio). UDM prepares you to become a generalist. NYU you need to do 1 year residency.
Cost of tuition and books/supplies:
NYU is 20,000 to 25,000 more expensive than UDM.
Distance from Toronto:
Driving to NYU is 9 hours but UDM is 4 hours

 

[je ne sais quoi]

U could find much cheaper rent than that for U of D. Royal Oak can be pricy, but there are a ton of cities closer and very similar to Royal Oak where u could find places for 5 to 600 (much lower if u hav roommates)

u actually dont evn hav to move out of Detroit, Canadians much like many from the suburbs hav been bred to fear detroit, its really not that bad
you hav downtown two mins from the u of d campus ( which isnt much compared to t.o) , and wayne state university two mins away as well, plus many new lofts and housing in the area for ridiculously cheap prices
... plus Im from toronto too and who needs ny when u hav toronto ( a cleaner version of ny!)

not saying which school is a better , bc its a very personal decision but jus thot id let u kno about some housing options.

 

[Sephisabin]

For the record, NYU doesn't require a 1 year residency, the State of NY does. You are only required to do that residency if you plan to practice in NY and that would be required of you to practice in NY even if you go to UDM.

 

[who knows...]

... plus Im from toronto too and who needs ny when u hav toronto ( a cleaner version of ny!)

Come on! that's pushing it lol..I've been to TO so many times and NY is...nothing...like toronto...

Another Canadian here who applied to both of these schools : )

I was not lucky enough to make a decision between the two though lol..

Hope you make the best decision...

And check this thread out:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=616247

 

[vegeboy]

I was in the same situation. I had to decide between Boston and UDM. I chose UDM for the following reasons: proximity, cheaper tuition and living expenses, excellent facility and wonderful staff. I am also from Toronto and I have decided to live in Windsor and commute to school, that way you save quite a bit on living expenses.

 

[phremius]

"Now let awhile my messmates be
my ponderous Penelope
and my Ulysses born anew
in Dublin as an Irish jew.

With them I'll sit,
with them I'll drink
nor heed what press or pressman think
nor leave their rockbound house of joy
for Helen or for windy Troy!"​

The Dutch has a term called gezellig, which can be loosely described as a sense of coziness surrounding a communal social bliss-ed warmth. The simultaneous realization by many of being on a trip of a lifetime for example, or the connected well-being experienced of some hazy, romanticized summer day.

I cannot speak for the UDM experience, but I can say that throughout the past 4 years living in NY has had plenty of gezellig. Taking in the de facto cultural epicenter of the country on a crisp spring day, then enjoying a well-poured, well-served brew of delectable superlativeness in taverns as varied as the amalgamated strands of history, then the elated sense that comes only to those who are young and sure of their place as they survey the Manhattan skyline, certain of the world being their oyster, ready to be shucked.

The 4 years of dental school can be so much more than just 4 years of toil to earn a degree. Walk not out of your destination --- whichever one it be --- with a mere DDS but rather fuller as a person, with crossed off to-do list achievements in life experiences!

Choose and be happy with your choice.

 

[Jarvix]

"Now let awhile my messmates be
my ponderous Penelope
and my Ulysses born anew
in Dublin as an Irish jew.

With them I'll sit,
with them I'll drink
nor heed what press or pressman think
nor leave their rockbound house of joy
for Helen or for windy Troy!"​

The Dutch has a term called gezellig, which can be loosely described as a sense of coziness surrounding a communal social bliss-ed warmth. The simultaneous realization by many of being on a trip of a lifetime for example, or the connected well-being experienced of some hazy, romanticized summer day.

I cannot speak for the UDM experience, but I can say that throughout the past 4 years living in NY has had plenty of gezellig. Taking in the de facto cultural epicenter of the country on a crisp spring day, then enjoying a well-poured, well-served brew of delectable superlativeness in taverns as varied as the amalgamated strands of history, then the elated sense that comes only to those who are young and sure of their place as they survey the Manhattan skyline, certain of the world being their oyster, ready to be shucked.

The 4 years of dental school can be so much more than just 4 years of toil to earn a degree. Walk not out of your destination --- whichever one it be --- with a mere DDS but rather fuller as a person, with crossed off to-do list achievements in life experiences!

Choose and be happy with your choice.

Very eloquent, we're all very impressed 🙄

 

[tooth2222]

"Now let awhile my messmates be​

my ponderous Penelope
and my Ulysses born anew
in Dublin as an Irish jew.​

With them I'll sit,
with them I'll drink
nor heed what press or pressman think
nor leave their rockbound house of joy
for Helen or for windy Troy!"​

The Dutch has a term called gezellig, which can be loosely described as a sense of coziness surrounding a communal social bliss-ed warmth. The simultaneous realization by many of being on a trip of a lifetime for example, or the connected well-being experienced of some hazy, romanticized summer day.

I cannot speak for the UDM experience, but I can say that throughout the past 4 years living in NY has had plenty of gezellig. Taking in the de facto cultural epicenter of the country on a crisp spring day, then enjoying a well-poured, well-served brew of delectable superlativeness in taverns as varied as the amalgamated strands of history, then the elated sense that comes only to those who are young and sure of their place as they survey the Manhattan skyline, certain of the world being their oyster, ready to be shucked.

The 4 years of dental school can be so much more than just 4 years of toil to earn a degree. Walk not out of your destination --- whichever one it be --- with a mere DDS but rather fuller as a person, with crossed off to-do list achievements in life experiences!

Choose and be happy with your choice.

👍 i like this. I am from Michigan, but I didn't apply to Detroit Mercy. I know people who go there and love it, but I knew there was no way I would be happy living in Detroit for 4 years. I chose NYU mainly bc I LOVE Manhattan and eventually probably want to practice there. Its just my opinion, but I would rather pay more and live where I know I will be happy and feel safe.

 

[katpaws]

I don't really think the cost is a huge difference. Yes, it sounds like a lot, but you're probably taking out loans anyway. It will only be a small amount more when you're repaying them.

SO,you should really be basing this decision on the programs themselves. I think both programs give a solid clinical education. You have to remember that NYU has a ton more money than UDM, so even though UDM has new facilities, NYU's resources are greater. Also, if you want to specialize, I'd lean towards NYU just because it would give you a leg up in that department.

Also, there is an enormous difference between living in NYC and Detroit. NYC = as urban as it gets, but in a cool, non-poverty stricken way. Detroit = you can live near the school and get a feel for the community which you are probably interested in devoting your life to helping or you can live in the suburbs. Just decide which you're really into!

 

[714guy]

Last year I was in the same situation.. UDM or NYU. I am glad I picked NYU. Giving the state of what Detroit is in, with the Auto industry almost collapsing, poverty on the rise, and most likely the crime rate.. it'll be a tough place to stay sane while in dental school. NYC is an amazing place to live, even with the heavy school load we still get to enjoy the fun.