NYU vs. Loma Linda

[Dentistree22]

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Hi guys,
I know this was asked years ago but I thought since some time has passed it was a good time to re-ask. Money is NOT an issue for school. I was just wondering what everyone's opinion is on the two schools? Which would you attend and why? Is it easier to specialize from NYU vs from Loma Linda?
Thanks!

 

[SweetMelonPreDent]

If you dont care about being a good Christian than probably NYU?

 

[Likkriue]

Specializing out of either school is hard. You are competing with about 300 students at NYU.

 

[SweetMelonPreDent]

Specializing out of either school is hard. You are competing with about 300 students at NYU.

I believe you're split into 4 cohorts of 90 at NYU. And technically youre not competing against students in your school, but people applying to that residency.

unless you mean competing for a recommendation letter.

 

[Likkriue]

I believe you're split into 4 cohorts of 90 at NYU. And technically youre not competing against students in your school, but people applying to that residency.

unless you mean competing for a recommendation letter.

Considering you are ranked you are competing with everyone in the school. It doesn't matter how many students apply to a residency when they see you are #350 out of 400. You kiss the majority of specialties bye bye.

 

[PTSD]

Loma Linda >>> NYU

 

[Dentistree22]

Loma Linda >>> NYU

What are your reasons for this?? Thanks!

 

[LakersToothdoc]

I would say attend NYU, just cause one of my college roommates sister goes to LLU and she was telling me that a good amount of her class was having trouble graduating on time,it was taking them 4.5- 5 years which seemed a little sketchy to me so thats why i didn't apply there.I've also heard this from one other person.hope this helped

 

[Dentistree22]

I would say attend NYU, just cause one of my college roommates sister goes to LLU and she was telling me that a good amount of her class was having trouble graduating on time,it was taking them 4.5- 5 years which seemed a little sketchy to me so thats why i didn't apply there.I've also heard this from one other person.hope this helped

Besides that did she like her time there?

 

[rich chigga]

I hope you have the HPSP because that difference in price is pretty big, even with LLU being fairly expensive already. But to answer your question, it seems like Loma Linda would be easier to stand out for specializing bc of NYU's class size

 

[Dentistree22]

I hope you have the HPSP because that difference in price is pretty big, even with LLU being fairly expensive already. But to answer your question, it seems like Loma Linda would be easier to stand out for specializing bc of NYU's class size

Even though NYU has more resources?? I am worried about the lack of resources and reputation of llu when it comes to specializing. I have school paid for and I am not worried about price.

 

[schmoob]

Even though NYU has more resources?? I am worried about the lack of resources and reputation of llu when it comes to specializing. I have school paid for and I am not worried about price.

Why do you think LLU has less resources? Also, don't forget to factor in cost of living. Not sure what your financial situation is, but if you are doing HPSP you will be getting the same living stipend in both locations.

 

[Dentistree22]

Why do you think LLU has less resources? Also, don't forget to factor in cost of living. Not sure what your financial situation is, but if you are doing HPSP you will be getting the same living stipend in both locations.

NYU is a giant school with huge amounts of funding from research. Loma Linda doesn't have honors like NYU does that allows you to work basically as a resident sr. Year. But that's really the only example I know of. I am trying to figure out if llu can give me an equal chance of matching

 

[SweetMelonPreDent]

NYU is a giant school with huge amounts of funding from research. Loma Linda doesn't have honors like NYU does that allows you to work basically as a resident sr. Year. But that's really the only example I know of. I am trying to figure out if llu can give me an equal chance of matching

Thats something awesome that i havent heard till now

 

[schmoob]

NYU is a giant school with huge amounts of funding from research. Loma Linda doesn't have honors like NYU does that allows you to work basically as a resident sr. Year. But that's really the only example I know of. I am trying to figure out if llu can give me an equal chance of matching

The research funding will not affect you as a predoc, in any way. And the honors courses do not basically allow you to work as a resident. You're still a D4 that does a little extra in the area of your choosing, just like every other school with an honors program.
You can specialize from either school, and both schools have all the specialty programs. Go where it's cheapest.

 

[Dentistree22]

The research funding will not affect you as a predoc, in any way. And the honors courses do not basically allow you to work as a resident. You're still a D4 that does a little extra in the area of your choosing, just like every other school with an honors program.
You can specialize from either school, and both schools have all the specialty programs. Go where it's cheapest.

Money is not a factor for me. Which school would you suggest money aside?

 

[Dentistree22]

Thats something awesome that i havent heard till now

NYU oms society has more info on their website!

 

[dhy01265]

Which type of city do you prefer? A more on-the-go urban city (hence, new york) or a more relaxed sunny environment of CA? Both schools are great, and I believe someone said LLU has one of the best orth programs. NYU has a lot of good points too, but if I were in your shoes I would choose the environment that I want to be in!

 

[Auntymarkovnikov]

Is it true that Loma Linda doesn't allow students to drink coffee or any caffeine on campus? Also, is it true that you get kicked out of the school if someone catches you drinking alcohol?

 

[Dentistree22]

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Is it true that Loma Linda doesn't allow students to drink coffee or any caffeine on campus? Also, is it true that you get kicked out of the school if someone catches you drinking alcohol?

They ask you to sign a form saying you won't drink alcohol. They don't sell alcohol but you can absolutely bring your own, I saw a lot of Starbucks and students said caffeine is no prob same goes for meat.

 

[deleted735879]

If money isn't an issue, I'd rather live in New York for four years.

 

[Likkriue]

NYU oms society has more info on their website!

Matching into OMS from NYU is tough.

 

[SweetMelonPreDent]

Matching into OMS from NYU is tough.

I shadow an OMS from NYU now. getting into OMS is hard regardless of the school, and if you want to do it, put the time in, you will.

 

[Likkriue]

I shadow an OMS from NYU now. getting into OMS is hard regardless of the school, and if you want to do it, put the time in, you will.

Normally I would agree but competition is fiercer on another level there. It is just statistics. When you get down to the number of people and the ranking system. Normally 10% of a school getting into a OMS program is the norm. You can't be telling me 40 people from nyu got into oms this year.

If NYU didn't rank I would agree with you, but you fall behind in a few classes here and there and it's an upward climb. I know 2 oms from NYU, not saying no one gets in. Just statiscally out of 385-400 students, there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room vs a school with 100 people.

 

[schmoob]

You can't be telling me 40 people from nyu got into oms this year

You're assuming the top 40 all want OMS?

 

[Likkriue]

You're assuming the top 40 all want OMS?

With 400 students, 40 people wanting to do OMS is not out of the question. I have a friend there who wants to and decided to bail since he is in the bottom 50% in rankings. They work you hard at NYU. You put 1000 people into a school and the chances go even lower. Class size counts.
Also note, a competitive school for specialties tend to have at least 40% matching into them(perio ortho oms endo pedo all included). I'm taking about 10%, and NYU can't even do that for oms. There's gotta be a reason for that. I'm saying going to NYU gives no advantages in specializing, especially not oms. Getting into 600k debt at nyu many people turn to trying to get into a specialty to pay off their debts with a bigger shovel. Paying off 600k at 120k a year versus paying off 800k at 200k a year. Most people would take the latter.

I would say Pedo might be easier to get into from NYU since the NYU langone system is popping out pedo residencies left and right.

 

[Brady=GOAT]

Considering you are ranked you are competing with everyone in the school. It doesn't matter how many students apply to a residency when they see you are #350 out of 400. You kiss the majority of specialties bye bye.

Bottom of the class is bottom of the class. If you're 350 out of 400 at NYU, then that work ethic wouldn't translate to the top of the class at another school. Totally get that more seats naturally breeds more competition but in the end, it comes down to work ethic.

 

[SweetMelonPreDent]

Bottom of the class is bottom of the class. If you're 350 out of 400 at NYU, then that work ethic wouldn't translate to the top of the class at another school. Totally get that more seats naturally breeds more competition but in the end, it comes down to work ethic.

Exactly. Also if you think other schools, say stony, have higher stat students, so someone who is 38/40 in stony might be 200/400 in NYU.

But i dont fall into that belief. Work hard, Put in time, get results.

 

[Likkriue]

Hey I don't disagree that hard work is required. The simple thing I'm saying is the larger the class size the more intense the competition. I'm not saying you won't have a chance to match at NYU. Just saying NYU provides ZERO advantages in specializing over another school. Until they match 50% into specialties they are not a competitive school for specializing. People are posting in this thread claiming NYU helps you specialize. No it doesn't.

The amount of people who have to remediate anatomy or cell biology is very high. Just ask any one who goes to NYU. That alone drives a huge wrench your chances at oms. I'm tops in my class at stony, but no way would I expect that at NYU. I have friends with far better gpas and dats than me at NYU who are struggling because they overload you like a mule. Don't underestimate NYU.

 

[oralcare123]

Is it true that Loma Linda doesn't allow students to drink coffee or any caffeine on campus? Also, is it true that you get kicked out of the school if someone catches you drinking alcohol?

Caffeine is not much of an issue as alcohol. There is no meat or caffeine on campus, but you are not forbidden to bring and consume. Totally different with alcohol, smoking and drugs - they can and will test you and consequences will follow

 

[Brady=GOAT]

Hey I don't disagree that hard work is required. The simple thing I'm saying is the larger the class size the more intense the competition. I'm not saying you won't have a chance to match at NYU. Just saying NYU provides ZERO advantages in specializing over another school. Until they match 50% into specialties they are not a competitive school for specializing. People are posting in this thread claiming NYU helps you specialize. No it doesn't.

The amount of people who have to remediate anatomy or cell biology is very high. Just ask any one who goes to NYU. That alone drives a huge wrench your chances at oms. I'm tops in my class at stony, but no way would I expect that at NYU. I have friends with far better gpas and dats than me at NYU who are struggling because they overload you like a mule. Don't underestimate NYU.

Not trying to start this into a wild fire debate, but if NYU is so difficult, then wouldn't doing well at the school (3.7+ GPA) in itself give you an advantage of specializing? I assume speciality programs know that students struggle there so doing well could be seen as a positive sign. Strictly conjecture, but just poking some holes in your argument. I'm not in school yet so can't speak to how hard it is to get a 3.7+ but I also don't plan on rolling over and dying.

 

[Likkriue]

Not trying to start this into a wild fire debate, but if NYU is so difficult, then wouldn't doing well at the school (3.7+ GPA) in itself give you an advantage of specializing? I assume speciality programs know that students struggle there so doing well could be seen as a positive sign. Strictly conjecture, but just poking some holes in your argument. I'm not in school yet so can't speak to how hard it is to get a 3.7+ but I also don't plan on rolling over and dying.

Getting a 3.7 gpa in dental school is not a cakewalk because of the fact that it's a combination of both clinical skills and didactic skills. Most people have one or the other. Few have both. If you manage it, that's great. But that comes down to individual effort. Someone who manages it at NYU could very well manage it at LLU for less money. People choose NYU over other schools for name, I've heard it all over sdn for the past 2 years. NYU isn't a specializing school, it's a luxury brand car with a economy interior. People say NYU has better resources, but what are they if they can't match 40-50% into specialties?

 

[Dentistree22]

Getting a 3.7 gpa in dental school is not a cakewalk because of the fact that it's a combination of both clinical skills and didactic skills. Most people have one or the other. Few have both. If you manage it, that's great. But that comes down to individual effort. Someone who manages it at NYU could very well manage it at LLU for less money. People choose NYU over other schools for name, I've heard it all over sdn for the past 2 years. NYU isn't a specializing school, it's a luxury brand car with a economy interior. People say NYU has better resources, but what are they if they can't match 40-50% into specialties?

thanks for all your advice!

 

[LizLemongrab]

I'm a third year at NYU. With regard to Loma, I only have rumors from faculty at my school. The general consensus that I've heard is that Loma has a much more humane atmosphere after some 20 years of deliberate effort and maintains a "highly curated" class composition. My best guess is that after the formal stuff, accepted students fall within a certain range of culture and temperament profile.

In terms of culture at NYU, I can say that like anywhere, it is a mixed bag because you cannot get along with everyone in every context and relationships change. Realistically, most people who come here aren't looking to specialize. They are mostly looking to graduate as painlessly as possible and get to work. In part, it is because NYU does skew a bit older with a chunk of married people and some with one or more children who may prioritize other things over getting top grades. Some have side hustles. Most people have something going on and I think for that reason, it is not as competitive as one might expect of a class of ~390.

For those who want to specialize or need an outlet, there are so many opportunities beyond traditional research, student club leadership roles, or shadowing. Plus, selection for prestigious opportunities is pretty fair. As an example, you may take only 1 honors elective as a D4 and there are more than 10 of those. You don't see the same few students doing all of the most selective things.
Like getting into dental school in the first place, it depends on how you are going about your life. As long as you meet the invisible, shifting, and relatively arbitrary minimum, someone will take you where you want to go.

Go for the lifestyle you prefer and everything else will fall into place.