NYU vs Mt Sinai vs Cornell

[sharsky]

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I am having problems ranking these 3 programs. I wanna go to NYC for personal reasons. I could see myself being happy in any of those programs and I am debating between cardiology and general. Here are my impressions based on my interview days:

NYU - very hands-on clinical training with good teaching from faculty, not as much research opportunities, residents seem very happy with good camaraderie and everyone i talked to there was talking about winterfest, 3 hospitals are next to each other which is very convenient, prolly has the most scutwork among the 3 programs but it seems that it's getting better

Mt Sinai - very academic with tons of research opportunities, morning report set up was sort of a turn off for me because they just ran the list of like 50 cases, didn't get a sense of how much faculty here teaches (can anyone comment), also seems very idealistic and they made it clear they want residents going into academia and who wanna become the leaders in healthcare

Cornell - very academic as well with tons of research opportunities but limited elective time your first 2 yrs, interns sometimes go over cap (the PD admitted interns were taking care of 15-20 pts in the past), tons of private pts for example HIV service is all privates and one intern I spoke with said he had to deal with 6 different attendings for his 6 pts but he didn't really mind, wasn't impressed with general medicine rounds and felt the team was too large

anyone with other thoughts and how they'd rank these 3 programs? thanks!

 

[dreamfox]

bump...

 

[Vitamin_Ng]

with regards to morning report at mt. sinai: i asked about the format, and it seems that for interns, report is conducted in the traditional way-- presenting a chief complaint and working through a case with the PD in a low-stress, low-pressure environment. then for R2's, they're thrown into the pit with the medicine chairman (who by the way, was by far the most entertaining, dynamic, interesting, and involved chairman i encountered on the entire interview trail) and they have to present the patients in the context of justifying their plans using evidence based medicine, i.e. discussing medical decision making, what tests/treatments are appropriate, etc.

in general, i really liked the chairman and PD (they seem like top notch people who work closely together to make the program what it is), i liked their emphasis on maintaining idealism in medicine, and i also liked their philosophy of helping residents reach their full potential (as R1's, the bar is "set so low, an ant couldn't pass underneath it"...as in, they're not expecting superhero interns, they just want interns to feel comfortable being doctors, relating to patients, acquring data during H&P's, and knowing how to interpret that data. R2 year, the bar is set much higher, and the residents are expected to be leaders, to do a lot of reading, to practice EBM, and to take their medical decision making to the next level. R3's, they want to be "anarchists"-- (that's exactly what the chairman said!), residents who won't be satisfied with the status quo and are willing to ask the critical questions. my only beef was that i felt we weren't exposed enough to interns and residents, until the very end of the interview day when the PD and chairman were also in the room. i would have appreciated meeting the residents in a more laid back, candid environment whether at a social event the night before or even at a meet 'n greet at lunch.

i can't comment or shed any light on the other programs, as i haven't interviewed at them yet. good luck!

 

[gutonc]

I did not even apply to NYU (wasn't interested in continuing the County Hospital experience I had in med school) but interviewed at (and liked) both MSSM and Cornell. In the end, I felt that Sinai had more to offer in the way of education, program support and autonomy than Cornell did. It also has a 3 hospital experience with the bulk of your time at Sinai and some time at the Bronx VA and a month or so a year at a county hospital in Queens to broaden out the experience which I feel is important. I ended up ranking Sinai #2 (I matched at my #1) and Cornell #4. I would probably have been happy at either of them but I was very happy where I ended up.

 

[TeenaNYC]

Does anyone have a general sense of the typical profile (board scores, grades, publications etc) of successful applicants to any of the three?

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Was wondering how Columbia compares to these 3, Is Columbia signifigantly better than Sinai or Cornell

 

[Spleen Man]

Was wondering how Columbia compares to these 3, Is Columbia signifigantly better than Sinai or Cornell

No. Not really sure what better means though. Nevertheless, the answer is no

 

[analgold09]

Was wondering how Columbia compares to these 3, Is Columbia signifigantly better than Sinai or Cornell

I think Columbia is significantly better than the other three, especially for cardiology. Just look at their match list: Hopkins, Brigham, BID, Mt. Sinai, UCSF, and Columbia to name a few.

Columbia>>Cornell>Sinai>>NYU

 

[CANE4LIFE]

How would you compare the culture of the 3 programs. My understanding is that Columbia is kind of sink or swim, Cornell less so especially since the recent changes and Sinai is the most supprotive. However, I am not really sure what this is based on since the structure of all 3 programs seems similiar. I would love to hear what interns and residents at these program thought?