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Ok peeps,
I want the low downs: the good, the bad, the dirty, the uglies, the nasties, etc. Everything flies.

Let get ready to rumble.

Anyone with an opinion please post. Especially people who have been to (attend) these schools.
 
You might try doing a search of NYU vs. Northwestern. I'm sure there have been some posts on it at some point.
 
I don't get it . . . why the showdown between these two particular schools??
 
Originally posted by Nike
I don't get it . . . why the showdown between these two particular schools??
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Because they both start with an 'N' of course, get with the program!! 😀
 
Originally posted by BigRedPingpong
Ok peeps,
I want the low downs: the good, the bad, the dirty, the uglies, the nasties, etc. Everything flies.

Let get ready to rumble.

Anyone with an opinion please post. Especially people who have been to (attend) these schools.
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Wow: "I eat Premeds 4 Breakfast" and "gunner extrodinare"

Well, at least you're upfront about it.

They're both good schools, but I think living in NYC takes the cake, eh? Think about where you want to do residency and pick accordingly, it seems as if you're east-coast oriented, so NYU might be better.
 
Northwestern > NYU

To name a few: better match list, location, and reputation.
 
yeah, but chicago is a poor step-child compared to NYC.
 
Spoken like someone who has never lived in Chicago...
 
True, but I've visited many times for concerts and the like and even though Chicago is a great city it is not NYC even on it's best day. If you think it is then you are living in a fantasy world.
 
Northwestern hands down. I interviewed at both schools and was much more impressed with Northwestern. The NYU facillities seemed really old and unrenovated. The northwestern hospitals are beautiful. Northwestern is also higher ranked and you are not isolated to one part of the city like NYU, rather you share a campus with the law school and business school. New York City is a great place, but, I wouldn't use that as my sole deciding factor of where to go to medical school.

Nevertheless you will become a good doctor and get a good education whether you go to Northwestern or NYU.
 
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that I would still go to Northwestern over NYU because it is most likely a better school.
 
Originally posted by prmd4555
Northwestern hands down. I interviewed at both schools and was much more impressed with Northwestern. The NYU facillities seemed really old and unrenovated. The northwestern hospitals are beautiful. Northwestern is also higher ranked and you are not isolated to one part of the city like NYU, rather you share a campus with the law school and business school. New York City is a great place, but, I wouldn't use that as my sole deciding factor of where to go to medical school.

Nevertheless you will become a good doctor and get a good education whether you go to Northwestern or NYU.
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DEFINITELY NYU. I'm not talking hot air here ... I go to NU for undergrad, and have friends who go to the med school. Yes, Northwestern Med School has the hefty name of the undergrad behind it, which probably brings in some good residencies, but the clinical training sucks. The rich people at Northwestern Memorial refuse to let med students come near them, so basically you're stuck observing rather than actually DOING anything. Also, the research here isn't that great (although I have no idea about NYU). I was actually advised by a Northwestern Med School professor NOT to apply here, because there were other, better places.

Yeah, the med school is in the heart of downtown Chicago, but a couple times down the Magnificent Mile should be enough to satisfy anyone's urges ... NYU is in Manhattan, and, well, being in NYC should speak for itself.

For me, the pros of going to Northwestern would be: good reputation, all PBL, location in downtown Chicago.
Cons: subpar clinical training, horrible weather (especially in downtown, where it just becomes wind tunnels), a third of class funnelled in from the HPME (BA-MD) program.

Pros of NYU: good reputation, NYC (!!), excellent training at bellevue, excellent location in manhattan
Cons: Somewhat older facilities and dorms, not quite as well known as Northwestern (?), and not a lot of PBL.
 
Originally posted by dara678
DEFINITELY NYU. I'm not talking hot air here ... I go to NU for undergrad, and have friends who go to the med school. Yes, Northwestern Med School has the hefty name of the undergrad behind it, which probably brings in some good residencies, but the clinical training sucks. The rich people at Northwestern Memorial refuse to let med students come near them, so basically you're stuck observing rather than actually DOING anything. Also, the research here isn't that great (although I have no idea about NYU). I was actually advised by a Northwestern Med School professor NOT to apply here, because there were other, better places.

Yeah, the med school is in the heart of downtown Chicago, but a couple times down the Magnificent Mile should be enough to satisfy anyone's urges ... NYU is in Manhattan, and, well, being in NYC should speak for itself.

For me, the pros of going to Northwestern would be: good reputation, all PBL, location in downtown Chicago.
Cons: subpar clinical training, horrible weather (especially in downtown, where it just becomes wind tunnels), a third of class funnelled in from the HPME (BA-MD) program.

Pros of NYU: good reputation, NYC (!!), excellent training at bellevue, excellent location in manhattan
Cons: Somewhat older facilities and dorms, not quite as well known as Northwestern (?), and not a lot of PBL.
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I go to NU undergrad too, but I have to disagree with some of your points. I actually do research at the medical school in the urology department. The resources are unbelievable and the people I work with are top-notch. I don't understand where you are getting your info from about the research?

As far as the city is concerned, I have been here for four years and I love Chicago more every day. There are just so many things to do! Also, for people who may be overwhelmed by the magnitude of NYC, Chicago is a nice alternative.

The weather does suck :laugh:

As far as the clinical training, from what I have heard, there are many hospitals the students work at (such as the VA, the children's, etc.) You may be right about the rich people not wanting students to touch them (I personally can't comment on this), but I think there are plenty of opportunities to get good clinical experience at these other hospitals.

Also, NU is not totally PBL. It is a combination of PBL and lecture.

Your complaints about the HPME are somewhat true. Some of them can be immature due to their age. However, they comprise a limited portion of the class, not to mention that many of these HPME are some of the brightest people you will ever meet (I am friends with some). So your generalization of the HPME is not wholly accurate.

Overall, it seems like you have gotten a pretty biased opinion of NU. I'm not sure if NU is BETTER than NYU (personally, I think there is no definitive answer here but just personal preference), but I do think that NU isn't as bad as you portray it to be, according to my own personal experience...
 
Actually Northwestern gets a pretty bad reputation as only having "rich" patients. It is the only level one trauma center in the downtown area so you see every walk of life in the patient population. Also, it is in the process of completing a state-of-the-art medical research building where 19 new primary investigators are coming in. NU research is great, esp. clinical research. Also, the new research building is also supposedly going to house brand new classrooms for the med students.

Claims that NU only has rich patients and no research are common but are also unfounded and just plain not true.
 
I would be glad to answer any questions you have regarding Northwestern Med. I'm afraid I don't know much about NYU though.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention that I would personally be really torn between these schools since location really matters for me, and I love both NYC and Chicago. I think I would ultimately choose NU though just because I think it matches my goals better...
 
I guess I should rephrase my question to:

If you were accepted to both schools, which one would you attend and WHY ?
 
Originally posted by dara678
DEFINITELY NYU. I'm not talking hot air here ... I go to NU for undergrad, and have friends who go to the med school. Yes, Northwestern Med School has the hefty name of the undergrad behind it, which probably brings in some good residencies, but the clinical training sucks. The rich people at Northwestern Memorial refuse to let med students come near them, so basically you're stuck observing rather than actually DOING anything. Also, the research here isn't that great (although I have no idea about NYU). I was actually advised by a Northwestern Med School professor NOT to apply here, because there were other, better places.

Yeah, the med school is in the heart of downtown Chicago, but a couple times down the Magnificent Mile should be enough to satisfy anyone's urges ... NYU is in Manhattan, and, well, being in NYC should speak for itself.

For me, the pros of going to Northwestern would be: good reputation, all PBL, location in downtown Chicago.
Cons: subpar clinical training, horrible weather (especially in downtown, where it just becomes wind tunnels), a third of class funnelled in from the HPME (BA-MD) program.

Pros of NYU: good reputation, NYC (!!), excellent training at bellevue, excellent location in manhattan
Cons: Somewhat older facilities and dorms, not quite as well known as Northwestern (?), and not a lot of PBL.
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how would you know anything about the clinical training being at the undergrad campus? northwestern's name doesn't ride on the undergraduate program solely, their graduate programs-including business, law, and medicine are excellent. perhaps the HPME kids could theoretically present with immature qualities, but the reality is that they are only one year younger then someone who goes directly from a 4 year stint at college. also, the class isn't 1/3rd hpme either.
go ahead and go to NYU and enjoy their traditional curriculum with all day classes and grades.
 
I appreciate everyone's imput.

Here is my take on it thus far.

Similarities between NYU and NU:

P/F grading during 1&2
Excellent reputations for both
Excellent clinical training for both
Excellent research opp for both
Excellent location
Excellent student body
Excellent hospitals
Excellent Match lists
Both dorms are...well, a bit shabby with over-looks of a large body of water
Cost of living are high for both schools
Both have really hot guys and girls


Differences:
One is in NYC the other is in chicago
One is ranked higher by that "peer reviewed, scientific" journal US news.

Edit: I should add that BOTH will erect brand spankin' new research facilities in the near future.
Both have connections to excellent hospitals.
 
FYI: @NU
brand new clinical training facilities opened this year
brand new research center will be completed this year
brand new lecture halls will be completed this year
 
on one more thing: NU is about to announce a research-thesis option for non-MSTP students. if completed, you can get a distinction in research. this program has not been officially announced yet, but it should be within the next year. several other sites must have gotten word, i.e. check the NU radiology department website.
http://www.radiology.northwestern.edu/research/student.cfm
 
Everyone's entitled to their opinions. Those are my opinions and my impressions of the school, and I just wanted to give the OP an answer to the question of which school he would pick.

Everyone has different impressions. Everyone has different needs in a medical school. There's no need to bash other people's opinions. Yeah I'm biased but so what? So is everyone. I just listed the things about NU that wouldn't gel with ME.

And I didn't imply that NU was all PBL. I think PBL is a good thing, I think NYU should have more.

I've collected what I know about the school from numerous sources: students, PROFESSORS THERE, and others. I'm not an expert, nor do I claim to be. An internet forum is a great place to spread ideas and wide modes of thoughts, so i think it's important to let everyone who has something decent to say -- even though it might be in the minority -- have the chance.
 
First of all, congratulations on getting into these 2 great schools!
I used to live in Chicago and in my humble opinion...the city has lots to offer...probably not as much as NYC...but still, a young person could have lots of fun in Chicago. In terms of academics, I don't really think attending one of these elite schools over the other would have that much effect in terms of your residency placement. They're both great schools and I'm sure your residency prospects would be solid at either school. In terms of
academic reputation, I think Northwestern would have the advantage. Whatever you choose, good luck!
 
Sorry, my post was never intended to "bash" you, but to contradict you with my own impressions. Additionally, you never justified some of the comments you made, so I was curious to know where you got your information: from first-hand experience or rumors?

I agree everyone should have their say and is entitled to their opinion. However, it is more valuable when a person gives accurate information as opposed to relying on second-hand sources. I'm not saying you are doing this, but it happens a lot, especially on forums such as this.

I can say from first-hand experience that NU's research is excellent, some (but not all) of the HPME can be immature and cliquesh, the weather almost always sucks during winter, and the patient diversity at NU's main hospital seems pretty good (since I eat there almost every day).

Originally posted by dara678
Everyone's entitled to their opinions. Those are my opinions and my impressions of the school, and I just wanted to give the OP an answer to the question of which school he would pick.

Everyone has different impressions. Everyone has different needs in a medical school. There's no need to bash other people's opinions. Yeah I'm biased but so what? So is everyone. I just listed the things about NU that wouldn't gel with ME.

And I didn't imply that NU was all PBL. I think PBL is a good thing, I think NYU should have more.

I've collected what I know about the school from numerous sources: students, PROFESSORS THERE, and others. I'm not an expert, nor do I claim to be. An internet forum is a great place to spread ideas and wide modes of thoughts, so i think it's important to let everyone who has something decent to say -- even though it might be in the minority -- have the chance.
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Auricae -

I wasn't talking about you, I just wanted the OP to take everything into consideration. There will always be good and bad opinions on everything. And yes, I do get my information from firsthand sources. The person I talked to at quite some length was a professor of neurobiology for the second year med students at NU. Also, I personally know over 50% of the HPME class; I count among them many of my friends. I NEVER EVER said that they were immature. If anything, they are the opposite. These are some of the brightest and NICEST students you can ever meet. However, from PERSONAL experience with them and from their own experiences, they have a tendency to hang together -- after all, they have known each other even before entering undergrad. Many of these people have become lifelong friends and have carried their sense as a "group" into medical school. Again, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I just didn't want to go into a brand new experience like med school with thirty - forty people who already knew each other and had already formed their friendships. It's like transferring high schools in the junior year - it would have been tough. Anyway, that's just my personal experience, and part of the reason why I didn't apply to NU.
 
I also want to post a bit in defense of my hometown of Chicago. There is SOOOOOO much more to Chicago than the Mag mile. It would be like assuming that NYC is equal to Times Square. Chicago has an amazing theater scene, a really good music scene, a huge sports scene, and lots of awesome restaurants. There's amazing ethnic diversity in Chicago. I think in some ways it's silly to compare two large cities because some people prefer certain things over others. If you need an amazing outdoor life, move to San Francisco. If you want a city that is the ultimate urban experience (i.e. incredibly densely packed, intensely dynamic), NYC is probably the city for you. If you want to have most of the things you still get in a huge city but want trees in your front yard and the possibility of buying a house, then Chicago might be for you.

Every day, when I look at the window of the el, I am moved by how beautiful Chicago is. That's my take on Chi-town. I think I'm feeling a little melancholy about it b/c I might well be moving to another city for med school, but I think my heart will always belong to Chicago.
 
Think about where you want to settle. True, you can go anywhere from any school, but schools tend to place regionally. Seems like you are tied about these schools and need a tiebreaker, that could be it.

And, the business school is not downtown, its in Evanston (correcting a previous post). Since the Dental school is gone, its the Law School and Med School downtown, rest graduate programs in Evanston.
 
i'm curious to know which professor of neurobiology said that northwestern clinical training "SUCKS". especially since he'd be an expert knowing the clinical training situation teaching a pre-clinical course. of course he could be a clinical professor, but it'd be really funny if he was a ph.d. basic science guy with this commentary.
 
Beautifully put 🙂 If I go elsewhere, I will also definitely miss Chicago. I'm also going to miss my view of the Chicago skyline from my apartment window in Evanston :/

Originally posted by lyragrl

Every day, when I look at the window of the el, I am moved by how beautiful Chicago is. That's my take on Chi-town. I think I'm feeling a little melancholy about it b/c I might well be moving to another city for med school, but I think my heart will always belong to Chicago.
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Originally posted by nuclearrabbit77
i'm curious to know which professor of neurobiology said that northwestern clinical training "SUCKS". especially since he'd be an expert knowing the clinical training situation teaching a pre-clinical course. of course he could be a clinical professor, but it'd be really funny if he was a ph.d. basic science guy with this commentary.
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He's also a practicing physician. I'm not exactly sure what he teaches, something with neuro. Jeez nuclearrabit, lay off the antagonism. NU is a fine place, but I'd just choose NYU over it because I think it's better. A matter of opinion ... don't need the attitude.
 
Originally posted by dara678
He's also a practicing physician. I'm not exactly sure what he teaches, something with neuro. Jeez nuclearrabit, lay off the antagonism. NU is a fine place, but I'd just choose NYU over it because I think it's better. A matter of opinion ... don't need the attitude.
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Well how do you think people will react when you basically say every aspect of their school sucks? You didnt say NU was a "fine school" in your original post. You basically said the clinical training sucks and the resarch isn't so hot. And you based all of this on what one prof said? Have you actually been in the hospital? Do you know firsthand that clinical training "sucks?" Are you rounding with the teams? As far as research not being "so great," we wouldn't be ranked where we were if we weren't bringing in a dollar or two from the NIH. I hope you based your decision to not apply to NU on more than what one professor told you about the program.

Besides...I don't think his post was super antagonistic anyways.
 
Originally posted by hypersting
And, the business school is not downtown, its in Evanston (correcting a previous post). Since the Dental school is gone, its the Law School and Med School downtown, rest graduate programs in Evanston.
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The full-time arm of the business school is in Evanston. The evening program is downtown next to the medical school. The vast majority of the business classes a medical student would want to take (health care management, etc) are offered downtown, since they are popular with the physicians and medical students who work nearby.

Also, I might add that medical students at Northwestern can take business classes at Kellogg for free. That's right, you can take classes at the top business school in the country for nothing. Just walk into the office, tell them which classes you want to take, and voila. Pretty sweet deal.
 
chicago is a great town with so much to do. and northwestern is a great school, that will continue to get better and better due to the aformentioned criteria. don't have tunnel vision. look at where your school will stand in a few years. before med school i interviewed at places with flailing hospitals. sure, some of those schools had big names, but they dropped considerably in the rankings sicne i interviewed there. furthermore, the curriculum at northwestern isn't intense. it allows students to find out which type of studying pattern fits them best without bogging them down with long lecture hours and grades. as for clinical training, unless you've done rotations at both schools, you are giving a one-sided argument. don't tell me that some people said the clinical training "sucked." give me some facts.
 
Unfortunately, some people have spread the idea that "clinical training" at NU is not good. If you're considering the school, you can be assured that this is not true. It basically comes from the fact that Northwestern Memorial has such a nice hospital that people will assume only rich people are treated there. This is not the case, and is readily apparent to anyone who has actually done their rotations there. Patients do not "refuse" to let med students see them. You're assigned your own patients just as you are at any medical school, and you present them to your intern or resident the same as everywhere else.

For the OP, the clinical training at NU is great. Northwestern Memorial is a great hospital and you will never have your training compromised by a patient's refusal to see you because you're a medical student. You'll also be able to do rotations at the VA (west side instead of downtown), RIC, evanston hospital, and Children's memorial. Residency programs surely have a good opinion of the students here, as you can see from the match lists. If you have questions about NU, please PM me.
 
My question to current or previous NU students is why are there so few students matching into New York city hospitals? Also, all those people in the Internal medicine category include preliminary, right?
 
Originally posted by jjmack
yeah, but chicago is a poor step-child compared to NYC.
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Those are fightin' words.... you clearly haven't been to Mag Mile lately...NUFSoM is in a great neigborhood in a great city....

Chicago is like NY except it's the midwest and people are actually NICE!!!



Unfortunately, some people have spread the idea that "clinical training" at NU is not good. If you're considering the school, you can be assured that this is not true. It basically comes from the fact that Northwestern Memorial has such a nice hospital that people will assume only rich people are treated there.
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This is so true, NMH is not just for rich folk...
I shadowed in the ED last sunday, and actually got the opportunity to defibrillate a homeless man in cardiac arrest due to severe hypothermia.... and I'm just an M1! HOw cool is that, I got to use the paddles :clap:

~doc
 
Originally posted by BigRedPingpong
My question to current or previous NU students is why are there so few students matching into New York city hospitals? Also, all those people in the Internal medicine category include preliminary, right?
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The Internal Medicine lists includes prelim matches yes. Their pgy2 matches are listed under their names.

I would guess that if there are fewer matches to NYC hospitals, it just reflects where the student body came from, and then what their interests were when applying for residency. The bulk of the students here seem to be from the midwest and west (i.e california) so that's where most tend to end up. If you want to end up on the east coast, you could apply to just nyc programs if you wished to and you can be certain you would end up there. Another factor is what you're applying for. A lot of people here do end up applying for the "competitive" specialties - lots of ortho, optho, uro, derm, and the more competitive the specialty you apply for, the less "choice" you'll have in getting the location you want (yeah it'd be nice to get an ortho residency at columbia, but it's so difficult to get the specialty by itself, getting your ideal location as well just makes it harder).
 
NUcat, could you please post the pgy2 list or PM it to me? I couldn't find that.

thanks
 
Hi, if you click on each year's match results at http://www.infoplex.northwestern.edu/class/alumni/ you'll see it.

If you clicked on 2003 for example, and scrolled down to "Medicine," you would see:

Cedars Sinai:
R. Banker
G. Song
[Radiol/UCSF]

That tells you that R. Banker was a categorical medicine match at cedars sinai, and G. Song was a prelim medicine match with a radiology pgy-2 match at UCSF. Now scroll down to Radiology. There are two people listed. If you look to the right of the world radiology though, you'll see that 6 people matched pgy-2, and you'll know G. Song was one of those.
 
Excuse my ignorance, but can someone explain to me prelim match/pgy-2 match, etc? I don't understand...
 
Originally posted by Auricae
Excuse my ignorance, but can someone explain to me prelim match/pgy-2 match, etc? I don't understand...
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Some residencies start in year 2 (pgy-2 = post graduate year 2) such as Derm, Optho, etc. Thus, you do one year of medicine or surgery whatever is required and then start on your speciality. That is the intern year I believe and the preliminary they are referring to. I am no expert, so I'm sure like 5 people will respond with more detailed answers.
 
you got it right. another thing is sometimes you can do your intern/prelim year at another institution. some programs make you do your preliminary year at the same institution.
although match lists can be helpful, you do not know the goals of the people of the class which can change from year to year. ortho, rads, and optho have been more popular the last couple years for the "competitive" catetgory at NU.
 
NU students Question:

1. Is high speed interned included in the rent for the dorms?
2. Is it possible to get a cable-for TV- into the dorms?
3. Cars?--How does one get about having one in Chicago?
4. Is it expensive to have? In terms of convienence, is it better to have a car or not?
5. Is it cheap to eat in Chicago?
 
Although I am not yet a student, I think I can answer some of these:

1 & 2) You don't want to live in the dorms. They are expensive (about 800 a month.. the same price as a much, much nicer apartment in the area). The only incentive is to "meet people," but most med students seem to agree that you don't really meet people by living in the dorms, since most people keep their doors closed and are pretty private. You will meet just as many people in class, at the library, etc. and you don't need to live in the dorms. Please correct me if I am wrong.
3) You don't want a car in downtown. Public transportation is cheap and easy. To own a car is very expensive (at least 200 a month just for parking), not to mention the traffic is bad and you don't really need it to get around. Unless you really need to get outside of downtown on a regular basis, you don't want a car. Even getting to Evanston (the NU undergrad campus) is easily achieved through public transportation.
4) See above. It's expensive, unnecessary, and inconvenient for most students. There are exceptions (i.e. you are rich, or really need a car because the public transport won't take you where you need to go).
5) In terms of restaurants, Chicago has tons of places in every price range. As far as grocery stores, it's comparable to any other big city (probably cheaper than NYC I am guessing since it's still in the midwest). Not as cheap as living in the true midwest, such as Ohio, where you have Sams Club and you can buy everything in bulk, although I think there is even a Sams Club in Chicago? Can anyone confirm that?

Hope this helps...
 
Originally posted by Auricae
Although I am not yet a student, I think I can answer some of these:

1 & 2) You don't want to live in the dorms. They are expensive (about 800 a month.. the same price as a much, much nicer apartment in the area). The only incentive is to "meet people," but most med students seem to agree that you don't really meet people by living in the dorms, since most people keep their doors closed and are pretty private. You will meet just as many people in class, at the library, etc. and you don't need to live in the dorms. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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I'd say yes and no....i lived in the dorms til xmas break then moved out. I'd say it is still a good place to meet people...you do go downstairs to eat and watch tv etc. and consequently spend quite a bit more time with people from your class as well as people from other programs. someone who lived in an apt from the get go wouldnt be able to form those bonds at the beginning of the year. in order for apt people to bond with the class they have to work that much harder and go to more bar reviews, etc. whereas the people in the dorms get to know each other better over dinner. you also have easier access to most of the other students in your class who live there so you end up doing more stuff together with them. meeting people in class and in the library just isnt the same as sharing a cheese quesadilla at jimmy g's. hehe. then again...if you are a social butterfly then perhaps you really dont need the dorms. i think most people will agree that it does make forming connections that much more easier. its just that by jan and feb when the connections are formed there really is no more incentive to stick around there but they are locked into their housing contracts.

the dorms do suck. i got the best of both worlds. i lived in the dorms the first few months then moved out via a marriage license in order to break my contract with the housing office..i have a marriage license and i dont even have a girlfriend, hehe....but thats another story. so now i have the bonds i formed at lake shore but live in a much nicer place. thats the way to go....make the connections then get out.
 
1) Yes, high speed internet is included.
2) No cable TV in your room; it is in the lounges though.
3) You won't want or need a car in Chicago.
4) See above.
5) Eating out is not too expensive -- probably expensive enough that you won't want to do it all the time though.

Originally posted by BigRedPingpong
NU students Question:

1. Is high speed interned included in the rent for the dorms?
2. Is it possible to get a cable-for TV- into the dorms?
3. Cars?--How does one get about having one in Chicago?
4. Is it expensive to have? In terms of convienence, is it better to have a car or not?
5. Is it cheap to eat in Chicago?
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Originally posted by UCLAMAN
I'd say yes and no....i lived in the dorms til xmas break then moved out. I'd say it is still a good place to meet people...you do go downstairs to eat and watch tv etc. and consequently spend quite a bit more time with people from your class as well as people from other programs. someone who lived in an apt from the get go wouldnt be able to form those bonds at the beginning of the year. in order for apt people to bond with the class they have to work that much harder and go to more bar reviews, etc. whereas the people in the dorms get to know each other better over dinner. you also have easier access to most of the other students in your class who live there so you end up doing more stuff together with them. meeting people in class and in the library just isnt the same as sharing a cheese quesadilla at jimmy g's. hehe. then again...if you are a social butterfly then perhaps you really dont need the dorms. i think most people will agree that it does make forming connections that much more easier. its just that by jan and feb when the connections are formed there really is no more incentive to stick around there but they are locked into their housing contracts.

the dorms do suck. i got the best of both worlds. i lived in the dorms the first few months then moved out via a marriage license in order to break my contract with the housing office..i have a marriage license and i dont even have a girlfriend, hehe....but thats another story. so now i have the bonds i formed at lake shore but live in a much nicer place. thats the way to go....make the connections then get out.
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I want a marriage license (without the marriage)! How did you manage this? :wow:
 
hey Web, I don't think your "wife" would appreciate you spreading your bizness all on the net 😉

~doc
 
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