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I'm planning on hpsp, so no cost considerations. Plus, both schools seemed to have similar technology and clinics.

USC has awesome weather, beaches, California girls, football, Trojan spirit

NYU - Everyone loves NYC. My family lives in Philly. Large patient pool.

Please don't reply if you are just trying to open up seats at one or the other school.
 
With the HPSP covering tuition and giving you a stipend, I would attend the college with the nicest area to use that stipend. NYU will suck up that monthly stipend more quickly than USC's area, simply because everything you do in NY will cost you money.

I am doing HPSP as well so I have been considering the same types of situations.

Congrats on the acceptances!
 
I'm planning on hpsp, so no cost considerations. Plus, both schools seemed to have similar technology and clinics.

USC has awesome weather, beaches, California girls, football, Trojan spirit

NYU - Everyone loves NYC. My family lives in Philly. Large patient pool.

Please don't reply if you are just trying to open up seats at one or the other school.

NYU hands down. I heard of too many problems with USC's PBL program. NYU has a bigger patient pool and will probably provide better overall experience. Plus I heard USC is in a very bad area, meanwhile NYU is in an awesome and safe area.

I'm from NYC so I might be biased, but I think NYU is the better of the two schools.
 
NYU hands down. I heard of too many problems with USC's PBL program. NYU has a bigger patient pool and will probably provide better overall experience. Plus I heard USC is in a very bad area, meanwhile NYU is in an awesome and safe area.

I'm from NYC so I might be biased, but I think NYU is the better of the two schools.

I live in so cal my whole life, went to USC for undergrad and graduate degrees, so i can give you some good perspectives on USC. first of you, its location has goods and bads. It is near downtown LA where you can literally go anywhere. Beach is less than 30 minutes away without traffic and close to an hour with traffic. the campus is gorgeous. They just renovated all the computer facilities on campus within the last 2 years or so. I MEAN ALL, including the ones in the library. so now everything is iMac. The bad thing is it is not a very safe area. Students receive crime alert near campus frequently, like robbery and assault. However, there's a way to go about avoiding crimes. The campus is pretty safe, so get an on-campus parking permit and never walk outside the campus at night, then you'll be fine. You can choose to live away from the campus in a nicer area (like me) such as pasadena or glendale, and commute. Now, the LA traffic is notorious. for your reference the two years I lived in Pasadena it took me about 40 to 50 minutes to drive to school with traffic, and 15-20 minutes without.

I can't decide between USC and Columbia (assuming I got off the wait list). I want columbia because of the specialization rate and the curriculum, but I DON'T want to live in new york for 4 years or possibly even more. I went to interview there and I already hate it. I know I eventually want to practice in LA so USC's network and patient pool definitely will help me establish my patient basis in the future. and as you know USC is really proud of their own alumni and will always help out each other. PBL trend i heard is going to decline 'cause the new dean doesn't like it. The weather here is so nice and sunny I need this positive feeling to surround me for the gruesome 4 years of dental school. The problem is it's too expensive
 
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I live in so cal my whole life, went to USC for undergrad and graduate degrees, so i can give you some good perspectives on USC. first of you, its location has goods and bads. It is near downtown LA where you can literally go anywhere. Beach is less than 30 minutes away without traffic and close to an hour with traffic. the campus is gorgeous. They just renovated all the computer facilities on campus within the last 2 years or so. I MEAN ALL, including the ones in the library. so now everything is iMac. The bad thing is it is not a very safe area. Students receive crime alert near campus frequently, like robbery and assault. However, there's a way to go about avoiding crimes. The campus is pretty safe, so get an on-campus parking permit and never walk outside the campus at night, then you'll be fine. You can choose to live away from the campus in a nicer area (like me) such as pasadena or glendale, and commute. Now, the LA traffic is notorious. for your reference the two years I lived in Pasadena it took me about 40 to 50 minutes to drive to school with traffic, and 15-20 minutes without.

I am in the same shoes as you. I can't decide between USC and Columbia. I want columbia because of the specialization rate and the curriculum, but I DON'T want to live in new york for 4 years or possibly even more. I went to interview there and I already hate it. I know I eventually want to practice in LA so USC's network and patient pool definitely will help me establish my patient basis in the future. and as you know USC is really proud of their own alumni and will always help out each other. PBL trend i heard is going to decline 'cause the new dean doesn't like it. The weather here is so nice and sunny I need this positive feeling to surround me for the gruesome 4 years of dental school. The problem is it's too expensive 🙁

the expense of USC, the PBL method (which doesnt work), and the location makes it one big negative. Outside of Cali, no one will know/care if you went to USC. NYU is fine and its no different than LA, I dont see the judgment as accurate as I have friends on both coasts and the only difference is the weather. I dont find the need to pay excessive tuition for weather that I cannot use (since I plan to be studying and not sunbathing.)

Food for thought.
 
the expense of USC, the PBL method (which doesnt work), and the location makes it one big negative. Outside of Cali, no one will know/care if you went to USC. NYU is fine and its no different than LA, I dont see the judgment as accurate as I have friends on both coasts and the only difference is the weather. I dont find the need to pay excessive tuition for weather that I cannot use (since I plan to be studying and not sunbathing.)

Food for thought.

The guy already said he's doing HPSP, so tuition isn't a factor in this argument.

I really don't like PBL, but people on SDN make a way bigger deal about it than necessary. Besides, the whole system is modeled after another school *cough* Harvard *cough* that everyone here seems to think is God sent. Like I said, I'm not a huge fan, but saying it doesn't work is an exaggeration and unfounded. USC's pass rates are comparable to most other schools (about mid-80s, from what I've heard this past year), so unless the students are just natural geniuses, they must be learning something.

The area right around school isn't great, but that's also why the clinic is always packed. The campus and surrounding area is full of college kids and the school provides a large campus security detail that extends a mile off campus. Yeah, they report every stupid incident to your email account, (ie, girl gets butt pinched, kid on bike attempts to hijack car, etc etc) and a few of them are legit, but it's really nothing to be worried about. I went to undergrad in a hoity toity suburb of Chicago and there was just as much crime there. Finally, most students don't live on campus anyway.
 
I am in the same shoes as you. I can't decide between USC and Columbia. (

Columbia. This shouldn't be a LA vs NYC debate. It's the schools and the curriculum specifically that set them far apart.
 
Columbia. This shouldn't be a LA vs NYC debate. It's the schools and the curriculum specifically that set them far apart.

+1 This is almost no brainer that you should go to Columbia -_-;
 
I wouldn't risk the heavy PBL focus at USC unless you know you're seriously going to love it. Although I hear their clinic is technologically advanced I have read some horror stories here on SDN about students having to fight/hunt for patients.

Go to NYU. Live the big city life; live close to school, work and play. The board pass rates at NYU are much higher than USC as well. Only one person failed Part I last year (from what I was told by students at my interview). Must mean the PBL curriculum isn't exactly doing a stellar job of prepping students for the exam.

And as for the Columbia vs. USC debate, it's absurd! I wish I had that choice to make. It'd be too easy.
 
I wouldn't risk the heavy PBL focus at USC unless you know you're seriously going to love it. Although I hear their clinic is technologically advanced I have read some horror stories here on SDN about students having to fight/hunt for patients.

Go to NYU. Live the big city life; live close to school, work and play. The board pass rates at NYU are much higher than USC as well. Only one person failed Part I last year (from what I was told by students at my interview). Must mean the PBL curriculum isn't exactly doing a stellar job of prepping students for the exam.

And as for the Columbia vs. USC debate, it's absurd! I wish I had that choice to make. It'd be too easy.

How exactly does only one person failing at NYU affect the PBL curriculum at USC? Talking with students at USC, virtually no one fails there either. You'll pass boards either way, and both schools have good clinic reputations, so I would say a lot of it depends on New York vs. LA.
 
I wouldn't risk the heavy PBL focus at USC unless you know you're seriously going to love it. Although I hear their clinic is technologically advanced I have read some horror stories here on SDN about students having to fight/hunt for patients.

Go to NYU. Live the big city life; live close to school, work and play. The board pass rates at NYU are much higher than USC as well. Only one person failed Part I last year (from what I was told by students at my interview). Must mean the PBL curriculum isn't exactly doing a stellar job of prepping students for the exam.

And as for the Columbia vs. USC debate, it's absurd! I wish I had that choice to make. It'd be too easy.

It's more complicated than that. My boyfriend goes to school in cali and we made plans to stay together. If i go to NYC there's no support system there since my family and friends all live in CA. plus I have high hope for scholarship award at USC based on my stats (24/25/20 4.0 BCP 3.9 Sci) they said it ranges from $5000 to $50000 per year which will bring down the cost. but they won't tell us until the first week of school, which is why i cannot decide. but anyways, thanks for the input.
 
How exactly does only one person failing at NYU affect the PBL curriculum at USC? Talking with students at USC, virtually no one fails there either. You'll pass boards either way, and both schools have good clinic reputations, so I would say a lot of it depends on New York vs. LA.

At my interview I was told 10 people failed part one this year. Still less than 10%, but I wouldn't say virtually no one fails it at usc...
 
hmm I definitely remember hearing a low single digit number when I interviewed, we probably had different sources. I really wish pass rates were public information or schools would fully disclose this information so it would be one less thing to debate over on sdn.
 
It's more complicated than that. My boyfriend goes to school in cali and we made plans to stay together. If i go to NYC there's no support system there since my family and friends all live in CA. plus I have high hope for scholarship award at USC based on my stats (24/25/20 4.0 BCP 3.9 Sci) they said it ranges from $5000 to $50000 per year which will bring down the cost. but they won't tell us until the first week of school, which is why i cannot decide. but anyways, thanks for the input.

??? I'm interested. $50,000 per year? That's unheard of. I don't remember hearing this talk about scholarships at the interview, are you sure about this?
 
It's more complicated than that. My boyfriend goes to school in cali and we made plans to stay together. If i go to NYC there's no support system there since my family and friends all live in CA. plus I have high hope for scholarship award at USC based on my stats (24/25/20 4.0 BCP 3.9 Sci) they said it ranges from $5000 to $50000 per year which will bring down the cost. but they won't tell us until the first week of school, which is why i cannot decide. but anyways, thanks for the input.

My response was in reply to the creator of the topic, mc719, whose family is in Philly. But... you're welcome? 😕
 
??? I'm interested. $50,000 per year? That's unheard of. I don't remember hearing this talk about scholarships at the interview, are you sure about this?

yea I specifically took notes and also I emailed Ryan a few days ago to confirm this. The scholarship is merit and/or need based.
 
yea I specifically took notes and also I emailed Ryan a few days ago to confirm this. The scholarship is merit and/or need based.


Why don't they tell us before we make our decision? that would make a huge difference in my decision. If I got a 200k scholarship that would definitely make me reconsider hpsp.
 
Why don't they tell us before we make our decision? that would make a huge difference in my decision. If I got a 200k scholarship that would definitely make me reconsider hpsp.
well they said they don't use scholarships for recruiting purposes. too bad. but $50,000 per year is max I don't think that means every year they will definitely award someone that much money. it depends on the circumstances. even if it's $20,000 per year it's still good enough for me to make a decision.
 
well they said they don't use scholarships for recruiting purposes. too bad. but $50,000 per year is max I don't think that means every year they will definitely award someone that much money. it depends on the circumstances. even if it's $20,000 per year it's still good enough for me to make a decision.

With the herman ostrow donation who knows how big the scholarships are going to be.
 
Just spoke with USC. The scholarships are merit based, need based, or focussed on certain ethnic groups. I'm not an URM, so I'm not going to hold my breath for a big scholarship at USC.
 
Dude you'll get into Penn. Don't worry. People drop their acceptances due to the high tuition rates. Your stats are amazing btw MC. Keep your head up
 
Dude you'll get into Penn. Don't worry. People drop their acceptances due to the high tuition rates. Your stats are amazing btw MC. Keep your head up


Haha, thanks for the encouragement. I'm very unsure about Penn right now because pretty much everyone else I talked to who interviewed pre dec. 1st got an acceptance. I interviewed very early, so there must be a pretty solid reason why they aren't accepting me yet. But who knows.
 
Dude I was in your shoes last year...but I actually did get a reject post interview Dec 1st. If you don't have a response yet, it's NOT a bad thing. Trust me. Most people who didn't get a rejection will get acceptance post interview. amalgam is just bringing on the histrionics...
 
Haha, thanks for the encouragement. I'm very unsure about Penn right now because pretty much everyone else I talked to who interviewed pre dec. 1st got an acceptance. I interviewed very early, so there must be a pretty solid reason why they aren't accepting me yet. But who knows.

NYU all the way. forget USC and their overpaid PBL method :laugh:
 
NYU all the way. forget USC and their overpaid PBL method :laugh:

Estimated Cost of NYU $416,686
Estimated Cost of USC $391,252


Lets stop using the USC is too expensive compared to NYU argument on this forum. On a side note I did my undergrad in NYC and it's no safer than LA, the crime rate is just as high, if not higher in Manhattan (Village area). As far as PBL goes it's a minor part of the education here, we spend all of our time in preclinical courses, we use PBL to learn the major concepts and remember all of those biochemical pathways that we forget the next month, which is well before boards so you'll have to learn again anyway whether you did lecture or PBL. Finally if you're worried about not passing boards don't be in the bottom ten percent of effort for studying for it, if 134 of 144 people pass or what ever the numbers are, those bottom 10 people most likely did something wrong.

And OP as far as living expenses goes $2,000 will not fly monthly in NYC. You could find a place for like $700/mo in LA right next to school with 1 roommate, and that will be $1200/month minimum in Manhattan with one roommate. Living solo $1000/mo LA, $2000/mo NYC. NYC has better night life, LA has better weather.

http://www.nyu.edu/dental/financialservices/tuitionfeesexpensesdds.html
http://dentistry.usc.edu/doctoral.aspx?id=912&linkidentifier=id&itemid=912&menu_id=258
 
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I'm planning on hpsp, so no cost considerations. Plus, both schools seemed to have similar technology and clinics.

USC has awesome weather, beaches, California girls, football, Trojan spirit

NYU - Everyone loves NYC. My family lives in Philly. Large patient pool.

Please don't reply if you are just trying to open up seats at one or the other school.

Sounds like heaven to me!
 
Estimated Cost of NYU $416,686
Estimated Cost of USC $391,252


Lets stop using the USC is too expensive compared to NYU argument on this forum. On a side note I did my undergrad in NYC and it's no safer than LA, the crime rate is just as high, if not higher in Manhattan (Village area). As far as PBL goes it's a minor part of the education here, we spend all of our time in preclinical courses, we use PBL to learn the major concepts and remember all of those biochemical pathways that we forget the next month, which is well before boards so you'll have to learn again anyway whether you did lecture or PBL. Finally if you're worried about not passing boards don't be in the bottom ten percent of effort for studying for it, if 134 of 144 people pass or what ever the numbers are, those bottom 10 people most likely did something wrong.

And OP as far as living expenses goes $2,000 will not fly monthly in NYC. You could find a place for like $700/mo in LA right next to school with 1 roommate, and that will be $1200/month minimum in Manhattan with one roommate. Living solo $1000/mo LA, $2000/mo NYC. NYC has better night life, LA has better weather.

http://www.nyu.edu/dental/financialservices/tuitionfeesexpensesdds.html
http://dentistry.usc.edu/doctoral.aspx?id=912&linkidentifier=id&itemid=912&menu_id=258

Those expenses are overestimated so the school doesnt get sued for understating them. The real cost of living will be closer to 30k and therefore its gonna be around 400K for the real thing. I'm sure the same can be said for USC. The difference will be + or - 10 to 15K in either place. The price alone cant justify a choice.

Second of all, NYC is one of the safest cities in america for its size (don't believe me? google it.) Crime is not nearly as high in the NYU area as it in the USC area, so please stop making up stats.

Third of all, if you spend $1200 a month on apt in NYC, do you plan to spend $800 on food? i dont know a single person that spends that much unless they eat out every day.

Fourth of all, I wouldnt go to USC with its PBL, if you paid me to :laugh:
 
Those expenses are overestimated so the school doesnt get sued for understating them. The real cost of living will be closer to 30k and therefore its gonna be around 400K for the real thing. I'm sure the same can be said for USC. The difference will be + or - 10 to 15K in either place. The price alone cant justify a choice.

Second of all, NYC is one of the safest cities in america for its size (don't believe me? google it.) Crime is not nearly as high in the NYU area as it in the USC area, so please stop making up stats.

Third of all, if you spend $1200 a month on apt in NYC, do you plan to spend $800 on food? i dont know a single person that spends that much unless they eat out every day.

Fourth of all, I wouldnt go to USC with its PBL, if you paid me to :laugh:

I guess someone's never had to pay for cable ($50), internet($50), utilities($100), metro card($100), cell phone($40), and clothing ($25), so that brings you down to $435 before food or any fun, that's a little tight, and I'm not sure if you get taxed on that $2000 a month but I bet you do so if it's like $1700 net you're pretty lucky, which leaves you with $135 a month for food and fun.
 
I guess someone's never had to pay for cable ($50), internet($50), utilities($100), metro card($100), cell phone($40), and clothing ($25), so that brings you down to $435 before food or any fun, that's a little tight, and I'm not sure if you get taxed on that $2000 a month but I bet you do so if it's like $1700 net you're pretty lucky, which leaves you with $135 a month for food and fun.

Your $435 is wrong, I think you mean to say $365. But that number is still too high. see below.

cable and internet - goes into the $1300 price at most NYU shared apartments. Either way if I need to pay this, I will opt out of the cable bill and internet is something I can share with roommates and pay less or if the connection is good get the wifi from your building or neighbors. (if necessary.)
utilities - goes into the $1300 price at most NYU shared apartments
metrocard - unnecessary since you live walking distance from campus
cell phone - add that one in but its $40 to $60 and wont make or break you
clothing - I might or might not spend that much on clothing, but fine add it in.

so really cable $25 + clothes $25 + cell phone $60 = $110.

I also dont get your taxed comment I dont believe we get taxed on student loans, so the $2000 = $2000.

So fine, you spend $1300 for your apt, $110 in misc expenses and you still have nearly $600 to spend on food. Either way even if you add in other expenses theres no way you'll spend another $500 a month or $2500 monthly total to get to that $30,000. The max I can see a month (if something is terribly wrong and you miscalculate or overspend is) $2200 but thats still a lot of money wasted and if you cant budget properly then that's your fault.
 
I guess someone's never had to pay for cable ($50), internet($50), utilities($100), metro card($100), cell phone($40), and clothing ($25), so that brings you down to $435 before food or any fun, that's a little tight, and I'm not sure if you get taxed on that $2000 a month but I bet you do so if it's like $1700 net you're pretty lucky, which leaves you with $135 a month for food and fun.

If the HPSP doesn't cover it, you can take out additional loan money, so it's not that big of a deal. Plus the additional cost of owning a car in LA might make the living expenses very similar at both schools.
I think the real dilemma is, should I go to a school that I think would be a better location for me, or one that I think might give me a more thorough education. But honestly, these two schools are similar in many ways and both locations have positives and negatives. The idea that I have is that I would enjoy living in LA much more than NY. But it's hard to get over a lot of the comments I've read on these forums about USC. It's crazy how a forum can really affect a schools reputation like that, I wonder how many of those reviews of USC should be taken seriously.
 
If the HPSP doesn't cover it, you can take out additional loan money, so it's not that big of a deal. Plus the additional cost of owning a car in LA might make the living expenses very similar at both schools.
I think the real dilemma is, should I go to a school that I think would be a better location for me, or one that I think might give me a more thorough education. But honestly, these two schools are similar in many ways and both locations have positives and negatives. The idea that I have is that I would enjoy living in LA much more than NY. But it's hard to get over a lot of the comments I've read on these forums about USC. It's crazy how a forum can really affect a schools reputation like that, I wonder how many of those reviews of USC should be taken seriously.

i dunno why you arent reading the comments that i wrote but see what i wrote before you jump to conclusions.
 
It's crazy how a forum can really affect a schools reputation like that, I wonder how many of those reviews of USC should be taken seriously.

Keep in mind that it's often a select few posters bashing a school such as USC multiple times over again. If the same person keeps posting the same thing, it's easier to think more people have that same opinion. In this thread alone, wired has continually bashed USC in many different posts:

"I heard of too many problems with USC's PBL program. NYU has a bigger patient pool and will probably provide better overall experience. Plus I heard USC is in a very bad area,"

"the expense of USC, the PBL method (which doesnt work)"

"forget USC and their overpaid PBL method"

"I wouldnt go to USC with its PBL, if you paid me to"

we get it wired, you don't like PBL. Some do, some don't. Do you actually learn from hour lectures anyways? No, you learn during the next 10 hours of studying the material. Bottom line is: USC will make you a dentist, while living in LA for four years, it just costs somewhat more than most private schools.
 
Keep in mind that it's often a select few posters bashing a school such as USC multiple times over again. If the same person keeps posting the same thing, it's easier to think more people have that same opinion. In this thread alone, wired has continually bashed USC in many different posts:

"I heard of too many problems with USC's PBL program. NYU has a bigger patient pool and will probably provide better overall experience. Plus I heard USC is in a very bad area,"

"the expense of USC, the PBL method (which doesnt work)"

"forget USC and their overpaid PBL method"

"I wouldnt go to USC with its PBL, if you paid me to"

we get it wired, you don't like PBL. Some do, some don't. Do you actually learn from hour lectures anyways? No, you learn during the next 10 hours of studying the material. Bottom line is: USC will make you a dentist, while living in LA for four years, it just costs somewhat more than most private schools.

I express my opinion and I'm not the only one feeling this way. There are plenty of other applicants and current d-school students that would pick NYU over USC, for a variety of reasons.
 
As far as the quality of education goes, I'd say NYU is better than USC.
 
That's the feeling I'm getting too.

I think overall it's probably a little risky given that you don't know whether or not you'll like USC's curriculum. At least NYU has a very moderate curriculum with a good mix of traditional lecture, small-group learning and lots of preclinical & clinical stuff. You might not love all of it but you're guaranteed to love some of it.
 
I think your safer bet would be NYU. I know you said cost wasn't a factor for you but NYU is cheaper and, when comparing cities, personally I think NYC is better than LA. This is a personal preference though. Both schools have a good name and are very parallel in undergraduate reputation. However, I would not spend 120k a year to do PBL all day; that's just me. I personally want someone to be there teaching me what I need to be taught so that I can feel comfortable at the end of the day knowing my education will allow me to be as competent as possible. Again, these are my personal opinions.
 
Interviewed at NYU, not at USC. NYU was impressive, massive patient pool, seems like that their didactic stuff/board scores are great too. Great class if you're into that and... the big apple for 4 years.

I've heard some not so great stuff about USC, mostly from around here, regarding their clinical experience, unhappy students/professors, fighting for chairs, etc. Do your homework. Full disclosure, I applied to USC and didn't hear from them.

BTW I'd love to go to a school where I can still do the school spirit thing, and USC is one of the select few where you could, but do dental students really get a chance to?
 
I think your safer bet would be NYU. I know you said cost wasn't a factor for you but NYU is cheaper and, when comparing cities, personally I think NYC is better than LA. This is a personal preference though. Both schools have a good name and are very parallel in undergraduate reputation. However, I would not spend 120k a year to do PBL all day; that's just me. I personally want someone to be there teaching me what I need to be taught so that I can feel comfortable at the end of the day knowing my education will allow me to be as competent as possible. Again, these are my personal opinions.

👍👍👍
 
I'm planning on hpsp, so no cost considerations. Plus, both schools seemed to have similar technology and clinics.

USC has awesome weather, beaches, California girls, football, Trojan spirit

NYU - Everyone loves NYC. My family lives in Philly. Large patient pool.

Please don't reply if you are just trying to open up seats at one or the other school.


USC has PBL, student - professor equation is not that great and the school is crazy expensive. here, you'll have to pay a hefty price to teach yourself a lot of things which at other programs are taught in more traditional, systematic ways. Plus the location is not safe either. the weather would be great. But that shouldn't influence one decision to go to dental school. Bottom line...too many negatives. :-( If I'm spending so much money I want to have a quality education. If you have other options I would advice to stay away from USC. I have a friend who goes there and was not happy with their teaching and his over all experience. I'm going for my state school too over USC.
 
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As far as the quality of education goes, I'd say NYU is better than USC.

👍. However, I much rather live the cali life than the NYC life (assuming there is time in D-school to have a life. Also, assuming if I have enough money to live an extravagant life in these place after their school tuition drain my pockets) 🙂.
 
👍. However, I much rather live the cali life than the NYC life (assuming there is time in D-school to have a life. Also, assuming if I have enough money to live an extravagant life in these place after their school tuition drain my pockets) 🙂.

moot point since you'd rather save more than you spend? 😀

I think USC is a last resort type of school. Up there with LECOM and Roseman.
 
did NYU give out all pre 12/1 acceptances?
 
I'm not too familiar with NYU, but I know that USC does a lot of research if that is something you want to consider. The weather and food in LA hands down would make my decision 😛
 
NYU. PBL is frustrating as hell according to my friends even when you have an entire day to figure out a case.
 
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