ObGyn CRISIS in Pennsylvania

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The following is a VERY long article detailing the extent of the ObGyn crisis in Penn.

With sky rocketing premiums and plateud incomes with the ever present trigger happy consumer-ATLA mafia ready to help sue every doctor they possibly can for every unbelievably stupid reason they can possibly think of (see flighterdoc's 1 in 1 Quintillion thread in Everyone) there is huge pressure on honest, hardworking ObGyns to get the hell out of the state.

This is what happens when society abuses its doctors continually beyond all reason. People never realize how important something is until they lose it.

This is probably gonna get worse. The other problem is that with fewer and fewer men going into Ob, this will make a bad situation horrible. (Men generally work more hours than women, so with the increasing shortage of male residents in Ob...)

The article is available at http://www.physiciansnews.com/cover/504.html

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Obstetrician Scarcity in Pennsylvania

By Christopher Guadagnino, Ph.D.

About three years ago, when medical malpractice insurance premiums began to spiral upward, some physicians warned that women in the Philadelphia area would have to go to New Jersey or Delaware to deliver their babies if tort reforms were not enacted. Because that has not occurred, observers may have been lulled into complacency during a time in which the availability of obstetrical services has indeed continued to dwindle in various regions of the state, putting serious stress on the health care delivery system and potentially endangering the health of women and infants.

Obstetrics is one of the medical specialties most adversely impacted by Pa.?s malpractice crisis. That it is one of four specialties to receive 100 percent abatement for MCARE premiums, and is also targeted for increased Medicaid reimbursement by the Rendell administration, recognizes that the cost of obstetrical practice is too high and reimbursement is too low for it to remain viable in Pa. without intervention.

Several health systems across the state have recently made the decision to give up OB entirely. In Philadelphia, for example, seven hospitals have closed their OB departments in the past two years, while three other hospitals that offered OB have closed altogether. Institutions and private physicians across the state that are still offering OB are picking up the slack, but are experiencing strained capacity to handle the increased demand. Pa. physicians are seeing significantly more patients, doing more deliveries ? including a greater proportion of complicated deliveries, and are experiencing more intense on-call duties, while patients are seeing greater wait times and may be foregoing prenatal care. Impact is disproportionately felt by low-income patients, and the Philadelphia Health Department is scrambling to ensure that the city?s health clinics continue to offer OB services and can remain staffed with physicians.

Not surprisingly, these pressures are most acutely being felt in Philadelphia, but they are alarming in other regions, including central, northeastern and southwestern Pa., where the dwindling supply of private OBs and the closure of some hospital OB departments has similarly intensified the workload of remaining physicians to capacity levels, where active recruitment of OB/GYNs ? in some cases for years ? has failed to secure a physician, and where many remaining OBs are close to retirement age, potentially jeopardizing the physician workforce at any time.

Quantifying the severity of physician scarcity in Pa. is notoriously difficult. Using data from the U.S. Bureau of Health Professions and the American Medical Association, the Pennsylvania Medical Society notes that Pa. lost 40 obstetricians between 2000 to 2002, the most recent data available. Regarding young physicians, Pa. ranked 41st among states in 2000 for its percentage of physicians under age 35, a sharp decline from its 12th-place spot in 1989.

According to the 2003 American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Survey on Medical Liability, 12.5 percent of OB/GYNs in Pennsylvania have stopped practicing OB and 57.5 percent have made some change in their practice because of issues with affordability or availability of liability coverage, including relocating, retiring, dropping OB, reducing number of deliveries, reducing amount of high-risk OB care, or reducing gynecological surgical procedures.

Philadelphia Hit Hard

Those statistics, however, do not come close to revealing the extent of the current problem of obstetrician supply in the five-county Philadelphia region, which lost 25 percent of its staffed OB beds between 1993 and 2003, according to Delaware Valley Healthcare Council President Andrew Wigglesworth. Within the past 18 to 24 months, he says, the region lost 10 hospital OB departments, including those at MCP, Methodist, Nazareth, Warminster, Mercy Fitzgerald, Episcopal and Elkins Park; while OB services were also lost from hospital closures including City Line, Sacred Heart in Norristown and Community Hospital in Chester.

Liability issues have put extraordinary pressure on OB programs in southeastern Pa., while well over 50 percent of practicing obstetricians in the region, perhaps closer to 75 percent, have become employees whose liability coverage is paid for by hospitals, says Wigglesworth, who adds that the trend toward employed OB status in southeastern Pa. has accelerated over the past three and a half years. "It is clear that, without the intervention of hospitals to employ and cover obstetricians in the region, we would have an extraordinary crisis, in terms of availability of OB services," he says
Some institutions regard OB as part of their mission and remain committed to maintaining OB services even though it is "an extraordinarily difficult service to provide in a financially feasible way, given the reimbursement and liability environment," says Wigglesworth, who notes that liability costs alone have approached two-thirds of the reimbursement level.

The recent MCARE abatement has helped, and Gov. Rendell has proposed increasing the state?s Medicaid reimbursement for deliveries to $1500, from the current $1000, Wigglesworth says, but threats of reductions loom on other fronts. Next year could bring another federal Balanced Budget Act, which Wigglesworth said has taken $1 billion away from hospitals in the region.
"Surviving" OB programs in the region are mostly represented by teaching hospitals, including Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania (HUP), Pennsylvania Hospital, Einstein, Hahnemann, Jefferson and Temple.
The remaining programs have seen significant increases in their census, including their labor and delivery, post partum, and neonatal intensive care beds, according to Garry Scheib, senior vice president of the University of Pennsylvania Health System and executive director of the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania (HUP).

Over the past three years, HUP has seen its annual delivery volume increase from 3,200 to around 3,600, with some months exceeding the monthly average. "That?s capacity for us. When you average close to 100 percent occupancy, that means there are many times where you?re exceeding your licensed capacity," says Scheib.

HUP is working to expand its neonatal intensive care capacity, having seen its average census grow beyond 30, which is HUP?s current number of licensed neonatal ICU beds, says Scheib. From an administrative perspective, Sheib says that increase has grown faster than overall rate of growth in the hospital?s deliveries, perhaps signifying a decline in prenatal care received by women delivering at HUP ? although Scheib says a broader community study would need to bear that out scientifically.

From a cost standpoint, HUP has sustained nearly a four-fold increase in overhead during the past several years, has recently had to become self-insured for medical malpractice, and continues to serve a high proportion ? about 50 percent ? of Medicaid and uninsured patients, says Scheib. "It is difficult to cover the full cost of HUP?s OB program," he says, adding that an OB inpatient program with a comparable patient mix requires a minimum of 1,000 to 1,200 deliveries per year ? and ideally, 2,000 ? to cover fixed costs and break even. Most OB programs that closed were running below 1,000 annual deliveries, he notes.

Physicians are being challenged to handle the increased OB workload resulting from service termination throughout the region. With delivery volume up 20 percent, OBs are less able to work effectively the day after being on call, which now typically involves six deliveries throughout the night, according to George Macones, M.D., director of HUP?s OB program. Patient acuity has increased as well as volume. HUP?s OBs are seeing more complicated patients than before, and the combination of increased volume and intensity "makes for a long night," says Macones.
 
The number of patients who are coming to HUP?s labor unit with no prior prenatal care has also increased ? by 25 percent, which Macones says could either be a subset of the increased number of deliveries at HUP, or a sign that patients are having problems accessing prenatal care in general.
Because so few obstetricians in Philadelphia specialize in high-risk patients anymore, Macones has limited his practice to high-risk patients only, and has had to add one or two half-day office visit sessions per week to handle the increased volume.

Because HUP?s labor unit is frequently operating at capacity, "There have been a number of times where we have told the emergency room not to have the ambulance service bring OB patients here, because we couldn?t take them. That has never happened once in the ten years I?ve been here, up until about a year and a half ago. Over the past year its been fairly common ? every couple of weeks we need to close the ER to OB patients," says Macones, noting exceptions for patients who show up at HUP?s doorstep, as required by law. From talking with his peers at other hospitals, Macones believes that, when HUP is at capacity, other hospitals are generally close to capacity as well.

"If a couple more hospitals close their OB service, places like Penn, Drexel and Jefferson are just not going to be able to absorb more deliveries," according to Macones. He does not believe that current liability reforms come close to preventing further closures or physician departures. While HUP employs and pays for the liability insurance for its OBs, Macones? practice is not insulated from the institution?s overhead costs increases: "Last year, we were 20 percent busier and nobody got a raise in our group. That was purely because of rising malpractice premiums. I can?t believe that MCARE abatement is going to be the answer for the woes of OB/GYNs in Pennsylvania," he says.

Macones? practice is busy enough to add another physician, and the group thought about doing so, but found that malpractice insurance for the next fiscal year is too costly to do that without taking unacceptably large pay cuts. "If we get to the point where our malpractice is so high that our salaries go down appreciably, why would anyone stay?," he adds.

HUP has taken other measures to manage the increased workload on its obstetricians. Two years ago, it was rare for HUP to refuse OB transfers from other hospitals; now the hospital is closed to OB transfers "at least one-third to one-half of the time," says Macones. So far, he notes, HUP has been able to find alternate hospitals for those patients.

To further consolidate the work efforts of its OBs and limit the number of patients that enter the its system, HUP has discontinued sending its OBs to two city health clinics, Macones adds.

The eight district health centers in Philadelphia that provide prenatal care are under a tremendous amount of pressure resulting from malpractice costs and hospital OB closures, making it increasingly difficult to retain OBs from the region to provide care at the centers, according to Kate Maus, director of the Division of Maternal, Child and Family Health, Philadelphia Department of Public Health. "A number of practices have left us or have threatened to leave," she says, including the departure of HUP?s OBs from two centers in West Philadelphia ? although she notes that HUP has agreed to see patients from one of the clinics, at HUP.

Other centers, which used to have more than one OB practice offering multiple sessions per week, have lost all but one practice and have cut back to fewer sessions, increasing wait times for patients and forcing the Health Department to seek contractual arrangements with other entities to offer care at other sites, says Maus.

Because hospitals are doing many more deliveries than they are accustomed to, and wait times are increasing for prenatal care, Maus says the Health Department would expect to see some impact on outcomes, but notes that no data demonstrate that yet. The Department is monitoring C-section, morbidity and mortality data, but is limited by the timeliness of birth record data to detect correlational trends, which can mean up to a two-year time lag between data collection by the state Health Department and the Cost Containment Council, and the ability to draw conclusions, says Maus.

"We don?t know whether we have an ?appropriately lean? system or a problem until it shows up as an increase in morbidity and/or mortality," says Maus. That neonatal ICUs are at capacity more regularly than they have been in the past, could be a sign that mothers are receiving less prenatal care, or it could plausibly indicate better management and higher survival rates of high-risk deliveries, she notes.

The Department remains committed to providing prenatal care at all eight centers, and is implementing measures to address cost and physician availability pressures, says Maus, including managing transportation difficulties when women must travel further to deliver their babies; meeting with hospitals, HAP, and community organizations to discuss issues related to access to care; considering hiring staff for the centers; and considering other models of prenatal care that could produce cost savings, such as group sessions.

Access to prenatal care is being affected outside the city clinics as well. New patients have had to call several physicians before finding one that was available to offer prenatal care, according to Ann Honebrink, M.D., medical director of Penn Health for Women at Radnor and president of the Pennsylvania Section of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. A woman will average 12 to 15 prenatal care visits over the course of a pregnancy, and would typically have her baby delivered by the physician group that provided the prenatal care. Now, says Honebrink, patient load is so great that some OB groups are not accepting patients for prenatal care, and are only taking late-term pregnancies.

Access to non-OB women?s services is also suffering. Groups that are handling an increasing volume of prenatal care visits have to compensate by increasing wait times for routine GYN patient visits. The wait time for new GYN patients at Honebrink?s practice, she says, has gone from one month to nine months.

The need for OBs to see 25 percent more patients in a day may be impacting the quality of individual office visits in less tangible ways. A physician in a private OB/GYN practice who might have seen 15 to 18 patients per day in office sessions may now have to see 22 patients. "On routine days, I find I can?t be as personable. That changes the doctor-patient relationship and makes me enjoy my job less. I will take the extra time with a patient who has a problem, and the real impact is when I have a busy day," according to Joan Zeidman, M.D., a shareholder of Bryn Mawr Womens? Health Associates, a four-physician, private group that as of June 1 is losing one physician who is moving to Maine.

Zeidman says she frequently hears from patients that they tried to see her a month or two ago, but couldn?t get an appointment because the practice?s phone line was busy.

Zeidman, who is on staff at Main Line Health?s Bryn Mawr Hospital, also notes that her practice?s delivery volume has increased to 780 in 2003, up from about 400 to 500 two or three years ago. Main Line Health?s three hospitals have lost 25 OBs ? who have either curtailed OB or left the region over the past four to five years, while some OB groups have also limited their practice to only one hospital because they have been so busy, she adds.

To manage the increased volume of on-call coverage, OB groups are joining other groups for cross-coverage arrangements on nights and weekends. The arrangement has caused some disappointment among patients who have had their babies delivered by another practice?s physician, Zeidman says.

On the reimbursement side, Zeidman says that southeastern Pa. has the lowest private insurance reimbursement rates in the U.S. for OB, noting that her practice?s reimbursement has fallen to under 50 percent of its charges, compared to 70 percent in 1991, and that the MCARE reimbursement has helped some, but has not slowed the cost increase of primary malpractice insurance coverage. A particularly busy patient load has permitted her practice to remain viable, she says, noting: "We?re not in the red, but every year we?re taking home less and less in order to stay viable and at some point we?re not going to be able to."
 
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Interesting article. Seems to me that the medical malpractice issue is only one of a number of problems causing the OB/GYN shortages in PA. For instance, it's private insurance reimbursements are 30% lower than the national average. Why is that? That cannot be attributed to the medical malpractice but must have some other source. Moreover, the article demonstrated that many hospitals are unable to recruit and retain OB's (for OB prenatal care and delivery) despite offering to subsidize the cost of insurance 100%. This too appears to be related to the private insurance and medicaid reimbursement situations in PA. No doubt, part of the reason medicaid rolls are increasing (and therefore, reimbursements decreasing and the proportion of high risk deliveries increasing) in many parts of PA is due to the general economy - much of PA being blue-collar manufacturing, mining and steel territory.

There's no question PA has a malpractice crisis (at least in my opinion - though I would have liked to have seen more data on whether the number and amounts of suits have gone up, not just data on premiums), but it seems PA has some other problems as well which may very well be playing a larger impact in its failure to attract OB/GYNs. In my estimation, a private reimbursement rate 30% lower than the national average is the greatest insult.

Judd
 
juddson said:
Interesting article. Seems to me that the medical malpractice issue is only one of a number of problems causing the OB/GYN shortages in PA. For instance, it's private insurance reimbursements are 30% lower than the national average. Why is that? That cannot be attributed to the medical malpractice but must have some other source. Moreover, the article demonstrated that many hospitals are unable to recruit and retain OB's (for OB prenatal care and delivery) despite offering to subsidize the cost of insurance 100%. This too appears to be related to the private insurance and medicaid reimbursement situations in PA. No doubt, part of the reason medicaid rolls are increasing (and therefore, reimbursements decreasing and the proportion of high risk deliveries increasing) in many parts of PA is due to the general economy - much of PA being blue-collar manufacturing, mining and steel territory.

There's no question PA has a malpractice crisis (at least in my opinion - though I would have liked to have seen more data on whether the number and amounts of suits have gone up, not just data on premiums), but it seems PA has some other problems as well which may very well be playing a larger impact in its failure to attract OB/GYNs. In my estimation, a private reimbursement rate 30% lower than the national average is the greatest insult.

Judd

Good points. As for your last sentence, it's spot-on, though I would say that the greatest insult is that physicians are the only profession or occupation which allows a third party arbiter to come in and decide that you cannot set your own rate for services rendered (i.e., fee for service) and let the market dictate whether or not people are willing to pay it, or if they choose another provider. Imagine handing a plumber, electrician, construction worker, or auto mechanic an insurance card which would reimburse them < 60% of what they billed? Unconscionable.
 
Moreover, the article demonstrated that many hospitals are unable to recruit and retain OB's (for OB prenatal care and delivery) despite offering to subsidize the cost of insurance 100%.

Having trained in PA, and spoken to OB's in 3 different hospital systems, I would say that those I spoke to feel that practicing in PA is an invitation to getting sued. Even if you're not paying the malpractice you're still the one with a suit on your record. The ones I knew were staying in PA because they had grown up there or had family there etc. Even many of those were considering leaving.
 
juddson said:
Moreover, the article demonstrated that many hospitals are unable to recruit and retain OB's (for OB prenatal care and delivery) despite offering to subsidize the cost of insurance 100%.

When a hospital offers to subsidize your malpractice insurance, it comes at the price of reduced salary/income. So even if the hospital covers your insurance, its still not in your best interest to pursue a job there if their salary offer is 30% less than jobs in other states.

Hospitals pass on the cost of covering malpractice insurance in the form of reduced salary to their ob docs. You dont get something for nothing; its always a trade off.
 
MacGyver said:
When a hospital offers to subsidize your malpractice insurance, it comes at the price of reduced salary/income. So even if the hospital covers your insurance, its still not in your best interest to pursue a job there if their salary offer is 30% less than jobs in other states.

Hospitals pass on the cost of covering malpractice insurance in the form of reduced salary to their ob docs. You dont get something for nothing; its always a trade off.

This is a fair point. But again, how can the salary be otherwise competitive in an environment when the reimbursements are 30% below the national average?

Judd
 
Salaries are indeed NOT competitive, at least not in Western PA. I have been told that if I intend to stay here after my residency training, to expect to be offered a salary of about $100K (vs. a national starting avg of $150K). With the current malpractice and liability crisis in PA, the litiginous nature of medicine in this state, the added cost now of the MCare Act, and lower salaries, it is no wonder that few residents stay here after completing their training.

I hate to move my family yet again, but I have to admit I am quite concerned about what sort of job awaits me should I choose to stay here. Unless there are some serious changes over the next 2-3 years, I want to head back to the South.

Trillgirl, PGY-2 OB/Gyn
 
Trillgirl said:
Salaries are indeed NOT competitive, at least not in Western PA. I have been told that if I intend to stay here after my residency training, to expect to be offered a salary of about $100K (vs. a national starting avg of $150K). With the current malpractice and liability crisis in PA, the litiginous nature of medicine in this state, the added cost now of the MCare Act, and lower salaries, it is no wonder that few residents stay here after completing their training.

I hate to move my family yet again, but I have to admit I am quite concerned about what sort of job awaits me should I choose to stay here. Unless there are some serious changes over the next 2-3 years, I want to head back to the South.

Trillgirl, PGY-2 OB/Gyn

WHAT THE FREAK!!!

You can expect a salary of only 100k for OB/GYN in PA????!!!!! That can't be right. Even your "national average" stat seems to low, almost by half. I am under the impression that the national average for a OB/GYN is about $240k after expenses (which includes malpractice), but before taxes.

Somebody set me straight. No way would anybody deliver babies for 100k.

judd
 
juddson said:
No way would anybody deliver babies for 100k.

Nurse midwives deliver babies for 40k per year.

Of course, they dont provide c-sections, medicines, or advanced obstetrical care; just the bare bones minimum.

BTW, I think that person was talking about starting salaries for newly graduated residents, not averages for the whole ob profession.

Pittsburgh is in Western PA, and there are plenty of ob docs in Pittsburgh. Sometimes I think a lot of doctors dont vote with their feet and just continue to accept piss poor practice environment. If there was really a crisis in terms of women not being able to find an OBs in western PA, then there would be a larger outcry from the public. So far, its only the doctors newsletters, AMA, etc reporting it. When this story hits front page of the Pittsburgh paper saying that women cant find any OBs, THEN AND ONLY THEN will the practice environment improve.
 
MacGyver said:
Nurse midwives deliver babies for 40k per year.

Of course, they dont provide c-sections, medicines, or advanced obstetrical care; just the bare bones minimum.

BTW, I think that person was talking about starting salaries for newly graduated residents, not averages for the whole ob profession.

Pittsburgh is in Western PA, and there are plenty of ob docs in Pittsburgh. Sometimes I think a lot of doctors dont vote with their feet and just continue to accept piss poor practice environment. If there was really a crisis in terms of women not being able to find an OBs in western PA, then there would be a larger outcry from the public. So far, its only the doctors newsletters, AMA, etc reporting it. When this story hits front page of the Pittsburgh paper saying that women cant find any OBs, THEN AND ONLY THEN will the practice environment improve.
CNM's make more than 40K per year. Gosh that is a new nurses starting salary. The CNM's I know start at 65K but that is in AZ. Really sad if CNMs make 40 and obs 100 in PA. But it is horrifying when you think of the implications of low pay/increased malpractice premiums. Who is going to deliver babies? I am all for low intervention deliveries but hey I want to have mine in a hospital with a medically trained professional (be it CNM, OB or family dr). Scary! Something has to be done soon. And not just in PA.

I have a theory about malpractice insurance. Everyone pays the same rate according to their position (through a national system) that increases when the dr/midlevel/nurse is sued and loses. Then those without lawsuits are paying less. It would also allow the bad dr/midlevel/nurse to be tracked. I also think there needs to be a lower limit on how long parents have to file a lawsuit in ob. At 5 years any problems should be noticed. JMHO.
 
MacGyver said:
Nurse midwives deliver babies for 40k per year.

Of course, they dont provide c-sections, medicines, or advanced obstetrical care; just the bare bones minimum.

BTW, I think that person was talking about starting salaries for newly graduated residents, not averages for the whole ob profession.

Pittsburgh is in Western PA, and there are plenty of ob docs in Pittsburgh. Sometimes I think a lot of doctors dont vote with their feet and just continue to accept piss poor practice environment. If there was really a crisis in terms of women not being able to find an OBs in western PA, then there would be a larger outcry from the public. So far, its only the doctors newsletters, AMA, etc reporting it. When this story hits front page of the Pittsburgh paper saying that women cant find any OBs, THEN AND ONLY THEN will the practice environment improve.

None of this answers the fundamental charge - which is that I frankly don't believe that newly minted OB's (even in PA, EVEN in backwoods PA) are being offered only 100k to start. I don't buy it.

Judd
 
juddson said:
None of this answers the fundamental charge - which is that I frankly don't believe that newly minted OB's (even in PA, EVEN in backwoods PA) are being offered only 100k to start. I don't buy it.

Judd

Believe it! Coz that sounds about right. My first cousin completed medical school in 2000 and graduated from residency this june... her initial plan (going into residency) was to join her parents practice in a philly suburb....but in the past 4 years the poop has really hit the fan. The insurance rates have sky rocketed to the point where her mother gave up practicing medicine alltogether and her father took a job doing only laproscopic procedures in south NJ... since she was getting offered a whopping 98,000 starting salary :mad: in the same area she has decided to stick around on the west coast and maybe do a fellowship next year.
 
juddson said:
None of this answers the fundamental charge - which is that I frankly don't believe that newly minted OB's (even in PA, EVEN in backwoods PA) are being offered only 100k to start. I don't buy it.

Judd

100K sounds about right for a new ob/gyn in PA. You can attribute that mostly to malpractice premiums, but also in some places like Philadelphia there are lower reimbursements, skewed legal system, and irraational juries.... All specialties in Philadelphia and to a slightly lesser degree all of PA are feeling the malpractice pain though ob/gyn is taking it the hardest.

http://www.physiciansnews.com/cover/101.html

It really sucks for the field of ob/gyn right now. I think that ob/gyn is one of the most difficult/demanding specialties there is (and I am a general surgery resident), and reimbursements while still decent, will likely remain flat or even decrease (at least relative to inflation) over the coming years. There is just no way around the fact that malpractice insurance keeps increasing at a rate faster than increases in reimbursements. Work harder, make less seems to be the ob/gyn mantra... This may be the most important reason that ob/gyn is so unpopular these days.

p.s. - All of the quibbling between females and males on this site regarding whether males should go into ob/gyn is ridiculous. Heck, most women don't want to go into ob/gyn. Instead of trying to tear each other down, you should be working together and creating a positive environment for each other. This, sadly, may be just another reason why ob/gyn is so unpopular.
 
i'm wondering, why is it that it is mainly ob that has this prob? seems like any of the surgical subspecialties could suffer these types of issues. is there some particular reason (some law or smthng) why they don't? they do have malpractice, but nobody seems to be talking about decreasing reimbursements etc.
 
ucsfer said:
i'm wondering, why is it that it is mainly ob that has this prob? seems like any of the surgical subspecialties could suffer these types of issues. is there some particular reason (some law or smthng) why they don't? they do have malpractice, but nobody seems to be talking about decreasing reimbursements etc.


In Philadelphia, all specialties are taking it on the chin as far as malpractice goes. Ob/gyn is hit much harder on the malpractice front though. Insurance in Philadelphia for ob is >100K per year which is much higher than for many other surgical fields which are now at around 25-50% what ob is hit with.

Also as far as compensation goes, Philadelphia is dominated by a couple of big insurance companies. There isn't a whole lot of competition. Most smaller insurers don't want anything to do with Philadelphia. Combine that with a big medicare population, and you get lower reimbursements. Right now the going rate in Philadelphia for a delivery is around 1000 dollars. Once you factor in all the costs for the delivery itself, insurance, and your time, the fee really isn't that much: a couple of hundred bucks. Compare that to a general surgeon whose fee for a lap choly that he/she can do in 30 minutes is around 800 dollars. Or compare to an orthopod who can do an IM nail in less than one hour and get about the same amount. Or say an ENT who does a tonsillectomy. Granted, not all deliveries take 10 hours, but deliveries aren't predictable, elective "cases" either.

This may be why some Philadelphia ob/gyns that I know have dropped the ob from their practice, and just do gyn clinic, and gyn surgery.
 
This was very interesting:

Expert witness report requirements shortly after a lawsuit is filed that would have helped reduce the number of frivolous lawsuits.

I've listened to lawyers lie time and time again about this subject. They always claim that the plaintiff lawyer has to have an expert before he can do anything.

Clearly thats a load of bull****.
 
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