Observation Units run by ED physicians

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DrQuinn

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Wondering if there are any attendings or residnets out there that know of any groups (including the one you work at) who run their own "chest pain observation" unit or even a "23 hour obs unit." Our group (40k in main hospital) is debating whether or not it would be worth it to run it ourselves. If your group does do this, can you PM me? Thanks!
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The director of the "chest pain unit" at Mount Sinai in NYC is an EM attending, but I'm not sure if the unit is "run" by EM.
 

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Both of our hospitals (BWH and MGH) have ED Obs units run by ED attendings. It's a fantastic concept to observe our patients without having to admit them to other services.
 
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Our hospital system is mandating to us that we will run a CDU (Clinical Decision Unit) at our site that has most of the uninsured. They want to us to admit and supervise a variety of low-acuity 23-hour obs patients then dispo them.

Surprisingly they've so far agreed to financial support (approx $150/hour physician time + billing), however I'll believe that when I see it.

Personally I want no part of any of it.
 
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we have a 24 hr ed obs unit staffed by em pa's in our 90k pts trauma ctr.
typical pts include chest pain with neg enzymes needing treadmills(done by em pa's overread by em md's) , tia workups, cellulitis, trauma obs, pts awaiting surgical re-evals after indeterminate ct's, etc
we have 12 beds.
pts who stay past midnight need to have an ed md re-evaluation before they go home. folks who go home in the same calendar day they were admitted do not need an md recheck.
 

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Stanford has one. Just set strict limits on who you'll take, otherwise admitting services just use it as a dumping grounds.
 

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We have one at BIDMC. We are putting them into our community hospitals. When well run, they are wonderful. When badly run, they are a nightmare.

First I agree that you need to be paid for the work of caring for these patients. Without that, just say no. However, this should not be too difficult. Hospital subsidation for low payor mix hospitals is standard. If the payor mix is good, billing for the professional work is very good.

It is absolutely something you want to control. Do not to hand over the control of an observation unit to internal medicine. Every IM obs unit I have seen has very effective admission criteria to acheive their #1 goal: "Do as little work as possible". When you try an admit a patient to an IM Obs unit, the admitting MD will find that they are either too well or too sick. Obs works when the access is easy with minimal paperwork, no painful hand-offs, and an easy quick discharge process.

A CDU allows EM physicians to deliver low acuity inpatient care with great patient satisfaction, low cost, record short lengths of stay, and good margin for the hospital. It helps mitigate crowding by allowing you to protect the inpatient beds you need by keeping the easier and less acute patients in obs. And, unlike with crowding, you get to bill for the services. If your payor mix isn't horrible, it can be very lucrative as well.

Not doing this as the health care crisis worsens is quite risky. The payors are forcing more and more inpatients to be classified as observation. This badly hurts the hospital's bottom line. By building a successful observation unit, the ED can gain political strength by improving the hospital's bottom line and serving as a more effective gate keeper.

The real danger of the CDU is that it becomes a "Can't Decide Unit" for some of our providers. There need to be some basic rules and a mechanism to hold providers accountable to avoid this:
1. Only EM physicians can admit to this unit.
2. Patients admitted to the CDU must have a greater than 85% chance of being discharged within 24 hours and a plan to be admitted if not discharged within that time frame.
3. A clear plan before admtting to obs and a simple patient with little needs that so the discharge is quick, safe and easy.
4. Because the hospital will staff the unit with much higher patient/nurse ratios, the nursing needs of these patients must be limited (patients should be able to ambulate, communicate easily, and not require frequent checks).

Happy to provide more details, samples of admission packages, observation protocols, and billing information, if you need it. Feel free to IM me.
 

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At UC we have a 23 hour obs unit that is run by the ED. The beds are staffed by and ED attending with a PA/NP during the day and a resident at night. If the beds aren't being used for obs they are used for regular patients.

If you want to see some of our protocols we have a website: www.cpqe.com
Click on the RDTC (Rapid Diagnostic and Treatment Center) Tab. This will allow you to look at our pre-printed protocols with inclusion/exclusion criteria for admission to RDTC (23 hr Obs). These packets are disease/problem specific and also have preprinted order sets. You will also note on page 2 or 3 of the packets is the dictation macro we use for billing purposes. Our most commonly used protocols are cellulitis, asthma/copd exacerbation, and chest pain, but we have many including DKA, transfusion, angioedema/allergic reaction, asthma, chf exacerbation, etc. We aim to have a failure rate (meaing the patient ends up admitted after observation) of approximately 20-30 percent, otherwise we would just be using it for patients who probably could have had outpatient care anyways. I hope you find this website helpful. Dr. Stewart Wright is primarly responsible for out cpqe website. There are also a lot of useful links besides our protocol sets, including discharge instructions, treatment guidelines, etc.
 

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the only service that can admit to ours is em.

I'm expecting a big fight with the private physicians over this. If their INSURED patients show up for a chest pain obs, they'll be admitted to our service and we'll get the billing, leaving the private physicians out in the cold. With politics the way it is at my hospital I can't see this lasting.
 

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I'm expecting a big fight with the private physicians over this. If their INSURED patients show up for a chest pain obs, they'll be admitted to our service and we'll get the billing, leaving the private physicians out in the cold. With politics the way it is at my hospital I can't see this lasting.

For ours, prior to putting someone in the obs unit we call the PCP just to let them know.... also to give them the opportunity to put them in for a full admit.

I haven't had any PCP's take me up on the full admit offer. They all just say "yea, sure the observation unit sounds fine. thanks for the update."
 

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My hospital is trying to start something like that over here but the entire EM group is against it. First of all we are emergency physicians not hospitalists or PCP's. We first of all don't care to do it, secondly we're not trained to do it. call me crazy but how many EM trained docs feel comfortable managing a floor patient 10 years post residency, I sure as heck wouldn't. It's such a huge drain on our resources. We barely have enough nurses to keep the ED running much less this monstrosity.
 
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My hospital is trying to start something like that over here but the entire EM group is against it. First of all we are emergency physicians not hospitalists or PCP's. We first of all don't care to do it, secondly we're not trained to do it. call me crazy but how many EM trained docs feel comfortable managing a floor patient 10 years post residency, I sure as heck wouldn't. It's such a huge drain on our resources. We barely have enough nurses to keep the ED running much less this monstrosity.

a lot of these folks are pts who would be in the e.d. for 10 hrs otherwise then sent home.
we consider our obs unit an extension of the e.d. not an "admission unit".
 
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