Ocular Melanoma

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My wife's uncle was just diagnosed with ocular melanoma. He is a previously healthy 45 year old brown-eyed male. He presented to an optometrist (yes I mean the eye glasses guy) with blurry vison thinking he needed glasses after having perfect vision. Using the slit lamp, the optomestrist sent him to a Sloane Kettering Retina guy. I am not sure if its from the choroid or if its more anterior since I was unsure on how to ask him (my wife's uncle). He was diagnosed with ocular melanoma and today is having a liver biopsy.


At this point we are waiting for the biopsy result, but they have scheduled a radiation plauque implant for next week.

Can someone give me the skinny on the situation?

I know the COMS study showed that enucleation and plaque implant are equal in terms of survivial but is that dependednt upon liver status?
Whats the survival rate for all-comers?
What about if liver is +?
What about negative?

Please be honest and blunt.

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while being far from a demigod, we are not supposed to give medical advice on this forum. the COMS study is a great resource on this subject.

My wife's uncle was just diagnosed with ocular melanoma. He is a previously healthy 45 year old brown-eyed male. He presented to an optometrist (yes I mean the eye glasses guy) with blurry vison thinking he needed glasses after having perfect vision. Using the slit lamp, the optomestrist sent him to a Sloane Kettering Retina guy. I am not sure if its from the choroid or if its more anterior since I was unsure on how to ask him (my wife's uncle). He was diagnosed with ocular melanoma and today is having a liver biopsy.


At this point we are waiting for the biopsy result, but they have scheduled a radiation plauque implant for next week.

Can someone give me the skinny on the situation?

I know the COMS study showed that enucleation and plaque implant are equal in terms of survivial but is that dependednt upon liver status?
Whats the survival rate for all-comers?
What about if liver is +?
What about negative?

Please be honest and blunt.
 
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Seeking medical advice in these forums could provoke the wrath of the SDN demigods...


OK...sorry demigods!

I'll do some more text research.
 
Sorry to hear about your uncle, jmsMD. In my first year of practice, I had a 29 yo white female present with complaints of a blurry contact in her OD x 2-3 wks. Her LEE was only 8 mos. prior. A dilated fundus exam revealed a very large choroidal melanoma in the mid-periphery OD. It had come anterior into the vitreous and caused a rhegmatogenous retinal detachment that had spread to the macula. If it weren't for the RD causing the blurriness, it's hard to say how long it would have gone unnoticed. Unfortunately, hers was too advanced for the radiation plaque option. Her eye had to be enucleated. She had no metastasis and was doing great, considering the circumstances, when I left the practice 2 years ago.

I wish your uncle all the best. Thankfully his "eye glasses guy" did a dilated exam and sent him promptly to the retinal specialist.
 
Sorry to hear about your uncle, jmsMD. In my first year of practice, I had a 29 yo white female present with complaints of a blurry contact in her OD x 2-3 wks. Her LEE was only 8 mos. prior. A dilated fundus exam revealed a very large choroidal melanoma in the mid-periphery OD. It had come anterior into the vitreous and caused a rhegmatogenous retinal detachment that had spread to the macula. If it weren't for the RD causing the blurriness, it's hard to say how long it would have gone unnoticed. Unfortunately, hers was too advanced for the radiation plaque option. Her eye had to be enucleated. She had no metastasis and was doing great, considering the circumstances, when I left the practice 2 years ago.

I wish your uncle all the best. Thankfully his "eye glasses guy" did a dilated exam and sent him promptly to the retinal specialist.

That is a great point. His optometrist was an ond freind and I guess he is the one to thank for his suspicion and for acting quickly. I am sure that there are many optometrists in that situation would have simply fitted the patient for contacts or glasses.

As an update, his liver biopsy was negative and he is scheduled to have the plaque implanted today. From what I have read, when the tumor is small or medium sized (in my uncles situation), and the liver is negative, there is a very good chance that survival is not impacted.

Thanks EDP for sharing your experience with ocular melanoma.
 
OK...sorry demigods!

I'll do some more text research.

Do NOT use Wikipedia. MD, DO, OD: condemn Wikipedia to all your patients. Wikipedia is not peer reviewed. Wikipedia is not reviewed by doctors. Wikipedia is hostile to doctors. If you say you are a doctor, you will get a hostile reaction and may even be banned (according to what I read in Ophthalmology Times).

Wikipedia may be fun to read but do NOT use it for medical knowledge.

Do NOT use Wikipedia. Do NOT use Wikipedia.
 
Do NOT use Wikipedia. MD, DO, OD: condemn Wikipedia to all your patients. Wikipedia is not peer reviewed. Wikipedia is not reviewed by doctors. Wikipedia is hostile to doctors. If you say you are a doctor, you will get a hostile reaction and may even be banned (according to what I read in Ophthalmology Times).

Wikipedia may be fun to read but do NOT use it for medical knowledge.

Do NOT use Wikipedia. Do NOT use Wikipedia.


I love that site. I use it quite a bit in order to learn about things on the fly. When it comes to something important or patient care, I agree that it is unreliable.

Do you have a link to the article in the OPH Times?
What is a rug doctor? Hair follicle implants?
 
I love that site. I use it quite a bit in order to learn about things on the fly. When it comes to something important or patient care, I agree that it is unreliable.

Do you have a link to the article in the OPH Times?
What is a rug doctor? Hair follicle implants?

Sorry, too busy to look it up but I tore out the page in Ophthalmology Times and saved it. Some ophthalmologist from Chicago was banned because some administrator (who are all anonymous and volunteers) must have thought that he knew better than a doctor and didn't want a doctor writing articles.

In Wikipedia, anyone can write so I think the article mentioned about disgrunted breast implant patients running a plastic surgeon off the site by removing what he wrote.

So my advise to patients is to stay away from Wikipedia for anything medically related. Wikipedia's google search results are usually much higher than scholarly links so it's important for you to discourage Wikipedia use.

Rug doctor? I'm in ophthalmology, not a carpet cleaner. Do carpet cleaners claim to be physicians, physicians of rugs, carpet physicians?
 
I'm an ocular pathologist and this is my opinion, and not of SDN's. The following is not medical advice, but an academic opinion on the following topic.

I know the COMS study showed that enucleation and plaque implant are equal in terms of survivial but is that dependent upon liver status?

The COMS didn't look at this.

What's the survival rate for all-comers?
What about if liver is +?
What about negative?


The COMS didn't look at the prognosis when the melanoma spread outside the eye. Unfortunately, the prognsis not good. The COMS looked at tumor size and location. In addition to tumor size, location, cell type (i.e., spindle A (most benign = nevus), spindle B, mixed cell (spindle+epithelioid), or epithelioid) is extremely important in determining prognosis.

Here are the results of the COMS (http://www.nei.nih.gov/neitrials/viewStudyWeb.aspx?id=23)

Nonrandomized Small Tumor Pilot Study

The treatment and mortality results of the COMS nonrandomized small tumor pilot study were reported in 1997. From December 1986 to August 1989, 204 patients with small choroidal melanoma, defined as 1.0 to 3.0 mm in apical height and at least 5.0 mm in basal diameter, were enrolled in a prospective followup study. The median length of followup was 92 months. Eight percent of patients were treated at the time of study enrollment and an additional 33 percent were treated during followup. Based on 27 deaths, the Kaplan-Meier estimate of five-year all-cause mortality was 6.0 percent (95 percent confidence interval, 2.7 percent - 9.3 percent) and eight-year all-cause mortality was 14.9 percent (95 percent confidence interval, 9.6 percent - 20.2 percent). Mortality findings and analysis of predictors of growth have been published (COMS Reports Nos. 4 and 5).

The Randomized Trial of Pre-Enucleation Radiation for Large Choroidal Melanoma

Initial mortality findings published in 1998 (COMS Report No. 10) showed that patients with large choroidal melanoma had similar survival rates regardless of whether they were treated with radiation prior to removal of the eye or had their eye removed without prior radiation therapy. Five-year survival rates were approximately 60 percent in both treatment arms. The COMS large tumor trial found neither benefit nor harm from treating ocular melanoma patients with radiation before removal of the eye. However, patients who had pre-enucleation radiation had fewer local complications (COMS Report No. 11).

The Randomized Trial of I-125 Brachytherapy for Medium Choroidal Melanoma

Initial mortality findings published in 2001 (COMS Report No. 18) showed that survival rates for radiation therapy (I-125 brachytherapy) and enucleation (removal of the eye) are about the same. The five-year survival rate of patients who were treated with either radiation therapy or eye removal was 82 percent, considerably better than the 70 percent five-year survival rate that had been projected when the study was designed in 1985. Compared to immediate loss of vision when the eye is removed, eyes treated with radiation steadily lost vision gradually, with 63 percent having visual acuity of 20/200 or worse by three years after treatment (COMS Report No. 16).

Based on the COMS, large tumors (i.e. tumors greater than 10 mm in greatest dimension) have a five-year survival rate of approximately 60 percent.

Uveal melanoma metastasizes in ~45% of patients within 15 years. The liver is involved in more than 90% of cases of metastatic uveal melanoma followed by lung. Once metastases develop, the prognosis with currently available therapies is poor. One-year survival rates of 15-40% have been reported; and although current treatments can slow down the metastatic growth, three year survival in recent studies does not exceed 5%.

Here is a good review from a dissertation: http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/laa/kliin/vk/puusaari/iodinebr.pdf

I hope this is the information that you're seeking, and I am sorry about your wife's uncle.
 
Dr. Doan....thank you for your academic opinion on the topic of Ocular Melanoma as well as your kind words with regard to my wife's uncle.

Considering your post, I think it would be very important to have my uncle ask his Ophthalmologist about the pathology result which is not ready and the locally invasive status.

I will let you know the path result and hopefully you could give your impression as to path-specific survival rates....in general of course.

Another question I had was related to the liver biopsy which he had.
On the day of the implant he had a liver biopsy.

I assume either they saw something suspicious on CT or MRI and wanted to biopsy this or does this mean that they did a random liver biopsy sampling much like we do with a prostate needle biopsy (6-12 cores).

Thanks again for your help.
 
Dr. Doan....thank you for your academic opinion on the topic of Ocular Melanoma as well as your kind words with regard to my wife's uncle.

Considering your post, I think it would be very important to have my uncle ask his Ophthalmologist about the pathology result which is not ready and the locally invasive status.

I will let you know the path result and hopefully you could give your impression as to path-specific survival rates....in general of course.

Another question I had was related to the liver biopsy which he had.
On the day of the implant he had a liver biopsy.

I assume either they saw something suspicious on CT or MRI and wanted to biopsy this or does this mean that they did a random liver biopsy sampling much like we do with a prostate needle biopsy (6-12 cores).

Thanks again for your help.


They probably saw something suspicious on CT or MRI before initiating the liver biopsy. Usually, a chest X-ray and liver enzyme panel are used for screening first.

If the liver biopsies are positive, then the above references address prognosis for ocular melanomas that have gotten out of the eye.
 
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