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Ok, I'm 99% sure I want to be an OD. I've been in the field for 8 yrs and currently finishing up undergrad for opto school. My question....what if someone became an OD then decided they wanted to be an OMD. Do they get a break or do they still have to go 8 more years of school?

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On man, you really don't want to ask that question here....
 
Ok, I'm 99% sure I want to be an OD. I've been in the field for 8 yrs and currently finishing up undergrad for opto school. My question....what if someone became an OD then decided they wanted to be an OMD. Do they get a break or do they still have to go 8 more years of school?

No breaks. You'll have to do 4 years of medical school, one year of rotating internship, and a 3-4 year residency in ophthalmology/surgery.

Some medical schools might reduce the 4 years of med school to 3 if you did well and your basic classes were the same as the med school's curriculum. I've known dentists, vets, and pharmacists, and some science PhDs, who have entered medical school as M2s.
 
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At one point, there was a backroom query that I believe was floated among some in the American Academy of Ophthalmology about such a conversion program. It was quickly dismissed.

It would probably have been:

1. ...open to those who could pass USMLE Step 1
2. ...only available at ophtho residency programs where clinical rotations were possible.
3. ...required that these candidates would compete with other medical school graduates for ophtho slots.
4. ...It would have probably be patterned after the DDS/DMD/MD oral surgical residency where the candidate would take 6-7 years to finish their residency

Issues:
1. Most if not all states require(!) a certain number of basic science and clinical exposure hours to be licensed as a physician which minimizes the time saving associated with this kind of rpogram. In addition, these requiremetns require physical attendance in these hours.

2. There isn't a dearth of ophthalmolgists, so the relevance of such a process is questionable.

3. There is significant resistance from organized ophthalmology for this kind of beast.

I would think long and hard about trying to change directions after optometry school graduation. Most successful optometric students who have successfully done the ophthalmologist route have been outstanding students and could have been admitted to medical school in the first place.
 
. I've been in the field for 8 yrs and

Out of curiosity, what field have you been in for 8 yrs? have you worked for an OD before and during undergrad?

Incidentally, I have an aquaintance that finished her OD program, but is sitting for the MCATs. It's my understanding that she will have to go through the entire 4 years of Med school, but I'll ask her.

AA
 
from my understanding -no break. why would anyone knowingly want to become an ophthalomogist by going to optometry school first?
Why would any soul subject themselves to torture- first OD school then MD school? People have done it, perhaps after the fact of being an OD but I don't understand ...................................
No medical school admissions committee would let you reduce your course work less than the traditional 4 years.
Make sure you want to become an optometrist so CHOOSE WISELY oh fearless one..............................
 
There is no break nor is there any gaurantee you'd match ophthalmology -- it's very competitive.

Remember, an ophthalmologist is a physician first then trains to be an ophthalmologist. Why would anyone reduce medical school for you b/c you went to optometry school? Know what I mean?
 
Out of curiosity, what field have you been in for 8 yrs? have you worked for an OD before and during undergrad?



AA

I'm an optician. I've worked in a lab for 3 years and as an opthalmic tech for 5 years (in a private OD office). I pretest and do vision acuity, oct's, etc. I currently work 43 hours a week and go to school 17 hrs 🙁
 
There is no break nor is there any gaurantee you'd match ophthalmology -- it's very competitive.

Remember, an ophthalmologist is a physician first then trains to be an ophthalmologist. Why would anyone reduce medical school for you b/c you went to optometry school? Know what I mean?

I understand completely. I'm not saying I want to be an opthamologist, just thought I'd throw the question out there out of curiosity.
 
There is no break nor is there any gaurantee you'd match ophthalmology -- it's very competitive.

Remember, an ophthalmologist is a physician first then trains to be an ophthalmologist. Why would anyone reduce medical school for you b/c you went to optometry school? Know what I mean?

Wasn't the optho match around 90% last year? Pretty good odds.
 
Wasn't the optho match around 90% last year? Pretty good odds.

There is quite a bit of self-selection going on in the competitive fields in medicine. Unless your board scores, grades, research, etc are up-to-par most students don't even apply to competitive fields b/c they know it's likely that they won't match.

Furthermore, the AVERAGE USMLE Step 1 score for ophtho has been increasing every year and was 232 this year, which is among the highest in medicine (highest being Plastic Surgery and Dermatology -- low 240's).

It's plenty competitive my friend. To suggest otherwise is foolish.
 
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the AVERAGE USMLE Step 1 score for ophtho has been increasing every year and was 232 this year, which is among the highest in medicine.

It's plenty competitive my friend. To suggest otherwise is foolish.

There is no break nor is there any gaurantee you'd match ophthalmology -- it's very competitive.


Do you have anything else ever to contribute to these forums? All you ever do is post how superior ophthalmology is, and in particular, how it is superior to optometry.

I don't think anyone here thinks matching into ophthalmology is "easy", so what are you trying to prove?

What is it about your psyche that requires validation?

What is about you that needs that everyone recognize that only talented students match into ophtho?

Why do feel you have to incessantly compare the "inferior" profession of optometry to your field?

Why do you feel you need everyone to understand the talent that you are, because you matched into ophthalmology?





I have my theories as to why you (as opposed to allo MDs) need to keep entering threads discussing optometry, and telling everyone how accomplished ophthalmologists are. It might have something to do with unfulfillment.

Look deep inside my friend.
 
Do you have anything else ever to contribute to these forums? All you ever do is post how superior ophthalmology is, and in particular, how it is superior to optometry.

I don't think anyone here thinks matching into ophthalmology is "easy", so what are you trying to prove?

What is it about your psyche that requires validation?

What is about you that needs that everyone recognize that only talented students match into ophtho?

Why do feel you have to incessantly compare the "inferior" profession of optometry to your field?

Why do you feel you need everyone to understand the talent that you are, because you matched into ophthalmology?





I have my theories as to why you (as opposed to allo MDs) need to keep entering threads discussing optometry, and telling everyone how accomplished ophthalmologists are. It might have something to do with unfulfillment.

Look deep inside my friend.

Am I being psychoanalyzed by an optometrist? Haha.

Did you even read this thread? I was responding to IndianaOD's post implying it's easy to match ophtho. It's not only false but pretentious coming from him. I don't know what's worse, that or his claim that he could have matched Dermatology if he wanted to...:laugh:

You, seriously, need to chill out...my friend.
 
qwopty99,

I think what D.O.-SAIB is trying to relay to you is that Ophthalmology is a competitve residency match----it is. I researched it prior to going to O.D. school instead of D.O. school (which I had an opportunity to do so.) D.O. graduates will have a much more difficult time matching statistically into an ophthalmology residency program than the equivalent M.D. counterparts. Now this is changing for the better but at the time I had to decide which degree to pursue with ophthalmic surgery + more complex medical eye problems (both in the realm of ophthalmology) being my deciding factor. I chose the sure route to becoming a primary eye doctor (treating primary ocular disease)---an O.D. and I am very happy with my choice. Ophtho is competitive to get in but not impossible.
 
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qwopty99,

I think wait D.O.-SAIB is trying to relay to you is that Ophthalmology is a competitve residency match----it is. I researched it prior to going to O.D. school instead of D.O. school (which I had an opportunity to do so.) D.O. graduates will have a much more difficult time matching statistically into an ophthalmology residency program than the equivalent M.D. counterparts. Now this is changing for the better but at the time I had to decide which degree to pursue with ophthalmic surgery + more complex medical eye problems (both in the realm of ophthalmology) being my deciding factor. I chose the sure route to becoming a primary eye doctor---an O.D. and I am very happy with my choice. Ophtho is competitive to get in but not impossible.

I agree with every word oculomotor said here. Maybe we can be friends.
 
qwopty99,

I think wait D.O.-SAIB is trying to relay to you is that Ophthalmology is a competitve residency match----it is. I researched it prior to going to O.D. school instead of D.O. school (which I had an opportunity to do so.) D.O. graduates will have a much more difficult time matching statistically into an ophthalmology residency program than the equivalent M.D. counterparts. Now this is changing for the better but at the time I had to decide which degree to pursue with ophthalmic surgery + more complex medical eye problems (both in the realm of ophthalmology) being my deciding factor. I chose the sure route to becoming a primary eye doctor---an O.D. and I am very happy with my choice. Ophtho is competitive to get in but not impossible.



R U an idi@t?

Do you remember who this guy is? He's the guy who was put on probation a few months ago for putting down ODs in the ophthalmology forum! WTF are you trying to find "reason" in his posts for? Can't you see he's just being arrogant?
 
Am I being psychoanalyzed by an optometrist? Haha.

Did you even read this thread? I was responding to IndianaOD's post implying it's easy to match ophtho. It's not only false but pretentious coming from him. I don't know what's worse, that or his claim that he could have matched Dermatology if he wanted to...:laugh:

You, seriously, need to chill out...my friend.


Given your posting history and what you have added to this thread, I'd say your message hasn't changed. Your claim that you were simply replying to Indy's post is a red herring for what your real objective is - which is to always say how great ophthalmology is, and that optometry is inferior.


Look at your old posts - just in case you forgot.
 
I am well aware of DO-SAIB's disrespectful posting in the past and I think it was ridiculous. I am just pointing out the facts.
 
nc2tarheels,

My advice to you is pick one or the other......You will work very hard in either the Doctor of Optometry program or Medical School. Do your research and if you want to become:

a primary eye doctor (with a license limited to primary ocular care)

  • go to optometry school ,work hard, and become a doctor of optometry

an eye surgeon and medical eye specialist (with an unlimited license)

  • go to medical school, work hard and secure the ophthalmology residency, and become an ophthalmologist
If you have ANY inclination to do ophthalmic surgery or treat tertiary eye conditions (complex eye disease beyond the primary eye care realm)----go to medical school. Optometry and Ophthalmology are both well respected fields that make a difference in patients lives.
Do your research and get it right (for you) the first time!


Good Luck!
 
Am I being psychoanalyzed by an optometrist? Haha.

Did you even read this thread? I was responding to IndianaOD's post implying it's easy to match ophtho. It's not only false but pretentious coming from him. I don't know what's worse, that or his claim that he could have matched Dermatology if he wanted to...:laugh:

You, seriously, need to chill out...my friend.


Seriously, You want to compare IQs? You want to put up or shut up? Being an OMD doesn't make you any smarter than a gas station clerk. Just means you wanted to spend a lot of time to get certain privileges. Knowing my credentials and abilities I have no doubt I could have done whatever I wanted. You my friend, have zero ability to know what I am capable of.

I could almost guarantee you wouldn't pass NBEO1, of the difficulty it was 3-4 years ago with your training. Its different and there are many things you don't know. Just try to become a decent surgeon and give up the rhetoric.

Such a Troll, just like the avatar!

I think you have to keep proving to yourself that you have chosen the right path.
 
qwopty99,

I think what D.O.-SAIB is trying to relay to you is that Ophthalmology is a competitve residency match----it is. I researched it prior to going to O.D. school instead of D.O. school (which I had an opportunity to do so.) D.O. graduates will have a much more difficult time matching statistically into an ophthalmology residency program than the equivalent M.D. counterparts. Now this is changing for the better but at the time I had to decide which degree to pursue with ophthalmic surgery + more complex medical eye problems (both in the realm of ophthalmology) being my deciding factor. I chose the sure route to becoming a primary eye doctor (treating primary ocular disease)---an O.D. and I am very happy with my choice. Ophtho is competitive to get in but not impossible.

Thank you.

Everyone else needs to RELAX and stop being so sensitive...😀
 
Seriously, You want to compare IQs? You want to put up or shut up? Being an OMD doesn't make you any smarter than a gas station clerk. Just means you wanted to spend a lot of time to get certain privileges. Knowing my credentials and abilities I have no doubt I could have done whatever I wanted. You my friend, have zero ability to know what I am capable of.

Sorry, I feel compelled to respond. No one is arguing OMDs are smarter than anyone else. You opened a can of worms knowing full well about the self-selection matching process.

Honestly, I have no idea of your capabilities. But, to guarantee yourself a dermatology spot is not only extremely arrogant but naive. You have no idea what it takes to match into dermatology. Almost half of all applicants do not match. Most are within the top 10% of their class in rank and board scores. They all have tons of research and great personalities. In such a small field, connections can make or break you.

Should of, would of, could of means nothing. You like to bully everyone around with your five years of education while demeaning the "useless" years of medical school. Yes, there is a difference in education, but that does not make one superior to the other.

Your assertion that you could replace a general OMD excluding cataract surgery is ridiculous. OMDs approach some complaints differently, and it is because they have had education in the entire human body (not only didactic but clinical). I suspect there is also a great deal of difference between OMD residency and OD school. You would be livid if I suggested that OMDs can replace ODs. They cannot because the training is different.


I could almost guarantee you wouldn't pass NBEO1, of the difficulty it was 3-4 years ago with your training. Its different and there are many things you don't know. Just try to become a decent surgeon and give up the rhetoric.

Such a Troll, just like the avatar!

I think you have to keep proving to yourself that you have chosen the right path.
And what are your chances of passing USMLE step 1, 2, or 3?
You chose not to go to medical school, perhaps you should live by that decision instead of trying to convince everyone that 5>3. In reality, 5 does not equal 3 and vice-versa.
 
Dude, just tell him he could have been anything his little heart desired. And that you and I couldn't pass his little exam no matter how hard we studied b/c we're not smart enough.

It's like arguing with a 4 yr old.

Save your breath.
 
Sorry, I feel compelled to respond. No one is arguing OMDs are smarter than anyone else. You opened a can of worms knowing full well about the self-selection matching process.

Honestly, I have no idea of your capabilities. But, to guarantee yourself a dermatology spot is not only extremely arrogant but naive. You have no idea what it takes to match into dermatology. Almost half of all applicants do not match. Most are within the top 10% of their class in rank and board scores. They all have tons of research and great personalities. In such a small field, connections can make or break you.

Should of, would of, could of means nothing. You like to bully everyone around with your five years of education while demeaning the "useless" years of medical school. Yes, there is a difference in education, but that does not make one superior to the other.

Your assertion that you could replace a general OMD excluding cataract surgery is ridiculous. OMDs approach some complaints differently, and it is because they have had education in the entire human body (not only didactic but clinical). I suspect there is also a great deal of difference between OMD residency and OD school. You would be livid if I suggested that OMDs can replace ODs. They cannot because the training is different.


And what are your chances of passing USMLE step 1, 2, or 3?
You chose not to go to medical school, perhaps you should live by that decision instead of trying to convince everyone that 5>3. In reality, 5 does not equal 3 and vice-versa.


You two must drink the same Kool-Aide. :laugh:

BTW - I have never said I want to do cataracts.
Also - All the pre-meds under me in undergrad all passed the USMLE easily. Thing has like a 90% plus pass rate.
 
Indiana OD,

Those interlopers just got bored over in their forums. If we ignore them or refuse to reply directly to their posts, they will likely fade away
 
Indiana OD---------> you have discovered a new disorder that DOCTORSAIB and verticillata are afflicted with.......

Medical--Hubrisitis acquired from drinking cool-aid......

You cannot win this argument with people that have been indoctrinated (ummm brainwashed) by medical education.

The fact is OD's spend a minimum of 8 yrs ( undergrad + doctor of optometry program) to train to be primary eye doctors. We are geared to understand optics better than anybody, we train extensively to treat and manage ocular disease, we have a good understanding of systemic disease and how it relates to the visual system, the OD program is the BEST for training primary eye doctors. Regardless of what you say Indiana, MD's (most of them) are still going to think that your education is inferior to theirs........ I know mine is not and I am proud to be a doctor of optometry in the future!
 
You two must drink the same Kool-Aide. :laugh:

BTW - I have never said I want to do cataracts.
Also - All the pre-meds under me in undergrad all passed the USMLE easily. Thing has like a 90% plus pass rate.
Please tell me I'm misterpreting this somehow, and you aren't seriously suggesting that Step I is a pre-baccalaureate level examination.
 
Please tell me I'm misterpreting this somehow, and you aren't seriously suggesting that Step I is a pre-baccalaureate level examination.


I was first in my pre-med class. I kept in touch with 4 classmates who now have their MDs. I know when step 1 is taken 👍
 
I was first in my pre-med class. I kept in touch with 4 classmates who now have their MDs. I know when step 1 is taken 👍
I know you graduated #1 in your class, dual-matched to dermatology and neurosurgery, and single-handedly discovered cures to AIDS, cancer, and morning breath, but you're not begging off that easily on this one.

I repeat: please tell me I'm misinterpreting you somehow, and you aren't seriously suggesting that Step I is a pre-baccalaureate level examination.
 
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Indiana OD---------> you have discovered a new disorder that DOCTORSAIB and verticillata are afflicted with.......

Medical--Hubrisitis acquired from drinking cool-aid......

You cannot win this argument with people that have been indoctrinated (ummm brainwashed) by medical education.

The fact is OD's spend a minimum of 8 yrs ( undergrad + doctor of optometry program) to train to be primary eye doctors. We are geared to understand optics better than anybody, we train extensively to treat and manage ocular disease, we have a good understanding of systemic disease and how it relates to the visual system, the OD program is the BEST for training primary eye doctors. Regardless of what you say Indiana, MD's (most of them) are still going to think that your education is inferior to theirs........ I know mine is not and I am proud to be a doctor of optometry in the future!

Do you know the definition of irony? Your post may very well be it. First, you, Oculomotor, accuse OMDs of hubris. Pot, meet Kettle.

Second, you accuse OMDs of being "brainwashed by medical education", then you proceed to launch into a tirade about how ODs go to school for EIGHT years to be "primary eye doctors" and how ODs have the "best training for primary eye doctors". Eight years? Really? After fours year of undergrad I knew about as much about eyeballs as my classmates who were going to be botanists. We study eyeballs for four years. Please stop self-aggrandizing. Also, stop with the stupid bolding of your precious "primary eye doctors" term.
 
You two must drink the same Kool-Aide. :laugh:

BTW - I have never said I want to do cataracts.
Also - All the pre-meds under me in undergrad all passed the USMLE easily. Thing has like a 90% plus pass rate.


Step I is NOT taken in undergrad, no way, no how; it's taken prior to graduation from medical school. Where are you getting this from?
 
I was first in my pre-med class. I kept in touch with 4 classmates who now have their MDs. I know when step 1 is taken 👍

In law, we call this "anecdotal" evidence; it is neither binding, nor is it persuasive. It is quite meaningless to argue you know two MDs and they said. I went to medical school and I am telling you, Step I of the USMLE is never taken in undergrad.

Since I have first hand experience, I win the argument. 🙂

Case closed.

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Indiana OD---------> you have discovered a new disorder that DOCTORSAIB and verticillata are afflicted with.......

Medical--Hubrisitis acquired from drinking cool-aid......

You cannot win this argument with people that have been indoctrinated (ummm brainwashed) by medical education.

The fact is OD's spend a minimum of 8 yrs ( undergrad + doctor of optometry program) to train to be primary eye doctors. We are geared to understand optics better than anybody, we train extensively to treat and manage ocular disease, we have a good understanding of systemic disease and how it relates to the visual system, the OD program is the BEST for training primary eye doctors. Regardless of what you say Indiana, MD's (most of them) are still going to think that your education is inferior to theirs........ I know mine is not and I am proud to be a doctor of optometry in the future!

1. An OD has a basic understanding of optics necessary for refraction; a PhD in optical physics is geared to understand optics better than ANYBODY.

2. An OD trains to refract, manage basic ocular disease, and understands systemic effects of disease on the eye, NOT systemic disease processes.

3. Optometry is a non-medical form of primary care health care, not the BEST training for primary eye doctors.

4. An optometrist's education is NOT inferior than a physician's; it is different. Hence, medical vs. optometry school. You know, like two DIFFERENT schools, two different schools of thought, two different programs.

5. An optometrist is an optometrist; no more and no less.

6. You, my friend, are arrogant and obviously regret not being able to cut into someone's eye, wear scrubs (and not look like a tool), and have cute nurses fawn all over you. So, you convince yourself, day after day, that you're a physician of sorts and I bet you donuts to dollars you wear a long white embroidered coat with a stethoscope around your neck? 🙂

7. BTW, here's a good example of hubris straight from your signature:
Future Optometric-Gynecological--Otolaryngological--Oral Maxillofacial--Onclological--Psychiatric--Geriatric--Dermatological--Podiatric--Orthopedic--Orthodontic--Endodontic--Dental--Neurological--Psychiatrist
(We get very in depth training in optometry school!)

Now, analyzing the underlying meaning behind your signature, which is not funny whatsoever, and is the epitome of arrogance, I can clearly see that my sixth point above is dead-on accurate. You have won Zack's Tool of Year Award for that signature. Like I said before, I'd love to watch your facial expression in court when you, an optometric gynecologist, surgeon, and oncologist, get sentenced for 2-5 years for battery, practicing medicine without a license, fraud, and misrepresentation. I'd love to sit in your licensing hearing with the Optometry Board. "Well, I"m a DOCTOR of Optometry, and I thought dilating her cervix was the same as dilating her retinas; after all, I'm a DOCTOR of Optometry and I'm a primary care physician and...but I'm a DOCTOR! What's the problem? Why are you taking my license!"
 
I know you graduated #1 in your class, dual-matched to dermatology and neurosurgery, and single-handedly discovered cures to AIDS, cancer, and morning breath, but you're not begging off that easily on this one.

I repeat: please tell me I'm misinterpreting you somehow, and you aren't seriously suggesting that Step I is a pre-baccalaureate level examination.


I believe IndianaOD wishes he went to this optometry school:

Future Optometric-Gynecological--Otolaryngological--Oral Maxillofacial--Onclological--Psychiatric--Geriatric--Dermatological--Podiatric--Orthopedic--Orthodontic--Endodontic--Dental--Neurological--Psychiatrist
(We get very in depth training in optometry school!)
 
Step I is NOT taken in undergrad, no way, no how; it's taken prior to graduation from medical school. Where are you getting this from?


What I believe his claim is, which is similar to his claim that he "could've matched dermatology", is that his undergrad friends who got into medical school, all passed Step 1 once in medical school.

These friends were ranked below him in undergrad. Therefore, he supposes he'd do better than them at Step 1, if he had gone to medical school and written the test.



He said it. Not me.
 
Also - All the pre-meds under me in undergrad all passed the USMLE easily. Thing has like a 90% plus pass rate.

Wasn't the optho match around 90% last year? Pretty good odds.

Come closer son I want to tell you something...:slap:

You have to *ACE* the USMLE, not just "pass," to improve your chances of matching a highly competitive residency like Derm. And even then there is no gaurantee.

Your ignorance is shocking.
 
What I believe his claim is, which is similar to his claim that he "could've matched dermatology", is that his undergrad friends who got into medical school, all passed Step 1 once in medical school.

These friends were ranked below him in undergrad. Therefore, he supposes he'd do better than them at Step 1, if he had gone to medical school and written the test.



He said it. Not me.


AHH! Well, since I'm not an optometrist, my lack of intelligence and wisdom precluded me from comprehending his statement. I apologize!
 
I'll just say that I think Indy represents someone very motivated to see the best for optometry, but as I alluded to in another post about a week ago, he's not very good at understanding the difference between opinion and fact.

It is his opinion that he could've matched dermatology. It is not a fact he would have. Further, he presents hypotheticals as facts.

e.g. his dumb friends did well in med school, so he states as fact he would've done well in medical school.

Well, perhaps. But as long as it is merely a hypothesis, it isn't proven. Try using qualifiers, such as, "probably", "most likely", "almost certainly". At this point, the same phrases become difficult to challenge.

e.g. My dumb friends all matched derm. Since I was a better student than all of them, if I had done med school, I'd almost certainly match too.
 
LMAO!!!!!!!

Thanks ProZack! I love getting awards---I have gotten many of them for athletics and academics over the years I will cherish yours!😎 You are the most arrogant person on here----> the proverbial know it all-----> your response to me a while ago contradicted EVERYTHING in your silly little introspective post. You have no sense of humor my classmates that are on this site think my signature is hilarious! lol I know because I talk to them at school every day and that is the real world my friend not this stupid forum. You really lack any sort of analysis, deduction, or insight if you think I would do anything in the future to violate my optometric oath or violate the scope of practice in the state I will be practicing in. Come on, you are a lawyer? How scary for anybody you would represent. Just so you know I am getting a JD in the future as well! I was a speech and debate champion but this a topic for another time.

I grant you my Troll of the Year Award---> you spend more time on the optometry forum than anywhere else. Everybody ProZack secretly wishes he was an optometrist.:laugh:

from this point forward I will dub thee OD wannabe Zack


Eyestrain-------------BACK OFF!!!!!! LOL

doctor of optometry doctor of optometry doctor of optometry

is that enough bolding for you? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

MODERATORS-----eyestrain insulted me with the word "stupid" please intervene!

Self-Aggrandizing? wow nice word.....No it is more like---you will disagree with ANYTHING I say because you don't like me...LOL even though you know nothing about me.....Your post is another example of how you are playing on the "wrong" team. Indiana OD has more proverbial "balls" than you could ever hope to have. If I became an optometrist like you in the future (sucking from the medical teet) I would be embarrassed.

Let me put this in a way your weak knees will understand---> Indiana OD is just trying to say that just because he chose to go to optometry school doesn't mean that he couldn't have done anything else he chose to do.

I hope you enjoyed my "stupid" bolding of words to respond to your "ridiculously" lame post.





This forum is absolutely ridiculous. Most of the people on here would never carry themselves the way they do on here in person.

As an optometry student I will say that Indiana OD is the model I will follow in the future. He has it right. He is the only OD on here that best speaks his mind and stand up for his profession 100%!
 
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I shouldn't even justify your post with a response, but I can't resist.

Self-Aggrandizing? wow nice word.....No it is more like---you will disagree with ANYTHING I say because you don't like me...LOL

You didn't really respond to why I called you self-aggrandizing. You said ODs have EIGHT years of training to be eye doctors. This is simply untrue. And I don't disagree with you because I don't like you. I disagree with you when what you say is patently false and when you do it in your typically over-the-top ranting and raving fashion.


Your post is another example of how you are playing on the "wrong" team. Indiana OD has more proverbial "balls" than you could ever hope to have. If I became an optometrist like you in the future (sucking from the medical teet) I would be embarrassed.

Huh? Should I say I could've gone to med school? Does that mean I play for the "right team"? How exactly do I "suck from the medical teet"? I would love some clarification.



Let me put this in a way your weak knees will understand---> Indiana OD is just trying to say that just because he chose to go to optometry school doesn't mean that he couldn't have done anything else he chose to do.

So what. We all could've done anything else we wanted to. What's your point?

This forum is absolutely ridiculous. Most of the people on here would never carry themselves the way they do on here in person.

Funny, aren't you the one who has said a couple times on other threads that your not nearly this outspoken in person?
 
And actually ProZack---> I think wearing a stethoscope around the neck outside of a clinic is kinda cheesy. EVERYBODY wears those---nurses, medical assistants, AA's, PA's, and MD's so what kind of cache does that represent? lol In practice a white coat with a shirt and tie with my staff dressed in scrubs will be fine.

And for the last time ProZack if you want to go to optometry school (because you love our forum sooo much) I can get you some info.......
 
The point is eyestrain you do not know me. This forum is absurd---> I never imagined that I would argue more with "OD's behind a computer screen" than "MD's behind a computer screen". :laugh: I get a long really well with OD's in the real world and my opinions are the SAME---just softer and toned down. What I have learned in my almost 3 decades of life is that an opinion isn't worth anything unless someone looks you in the eyes and expresses it. People on here are so full of it!
 
Oculomotor


The day you actually post something intelligent is the day I know you acquired an intellect.
 
The point is eyestrain you do not know me. This forum is absurd---> I never imagined that I would argue more with "OD's behind a computer screen" than "MD's behind a computer screen". :laugh: I get a long really well with OD's in the real world and my opinions are the SAME---just softer and toned down. What I have learned in my almost 3 decades of life is that an opinion isn't worth anything unless someone looks you in the eyes and expresses it. People on here are so full of it!

You find yourself arguing with ODs because you come on here screaming to the heavens about things you don't know about. Most of us ODs realize there's no point to almost anything you bring up and you only succeed in pissing MDs off with your childish rhetoric.

Oh, and I still would like some clarification on how I "suck from the medical teet". I hope you have some good proof to back that up.
 
What I believe his claim is, which is similar to his claim that he "could've matched dermatology", is that his undergrad friends who got into medical school, all passed Step 1 once in medical school.

These friends were ranked below him in undergrad. Therefore, he supposes he'd do better than them at Step 1, if he had gone to medical school and written the test.



He said it. Not me.

Agreed. Its not perfect logic, but its the best predictor of what could have happenend. Of course step 1 is in med school, I never said anything different.

Posting my accomplishments is not for me to pat myself on the back, its there because it seems that's all MD students care about. Similar to how they think its MUCH harder to get into med school when the GPAs aren't that much different. Supply and demand dictates the scores, not program difficulty.

GPA and class rank was very predictive in OD school. In fact GPA was the highest predictor of high boards scores on the written and clincal sections.

The most ridiculous thing is goobers who don't know me at all saying I couldn't do this or that. Umm, does the fact that I was the only undergrad physics student to EVER get a perfect score on the final in the profs 15 years of teaching mean anything. I think it does. One MD friend of mine failed that class the first time around. The others got a respectable B and C.

Yeah, I've done well in academic and clinical persuits but that doesn't make me go around telling others I'm better than them like many MD students think is cool. GPA, boards scores, and instructor feedback are the only facts that any student has to go on.
 
As an optometry student I will say that Indiana OD is the model I will follow in the future. He has it right. He is the only OD on here that best speaks his mind and stand up for his profession 100%!


Oculo


If what you idolize are folks who stand up for their profession 100%, then you should also idolize OMDs who stand behind theirs and spend all day bashing optometry right? So why don't you support those OMDs who bash optometry, after all, they "speak their mind and stand up for their profession" too don't they?


Despite having apparently graduated from kindergarten, you apparently still have to learn right from wrong. Right isn't defined by you, and wrong isn't defined by everyone else. Just because you're an OD, it doesn't make MDs bad. Further, putting down other professions with claims that aren't 100% factual isn't a way to "stand up" for one's profession, which Indy is apt to do sometimes.


I'm sure none of this got in, so I'll try again, YOUR way:

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Oculo!!!!!!!@@@@!!!!!!!


If what you idolize are folks
who stand up for their profession 100%, then you should also idolize OMDs who stand behind theirs and spend all day bashing optometry right??????*&%$#$%^%$ -----------------> ----------------> -----------------> ----> ------> 😱😱😕😕 So why don't you support those OMDs who bash optometry, after all, they "speak their mind and stand up for their profession" too don't they???????????$%$#$%^%$%# Despite having apparently graduated from kindergarten, -----------> ------------------> --------------> you apparently still have to learn right from wrong. Right isn't defined by you, and wrong isn't defined by everyone else. Just because you're an OD, it doesn't make MDs bad!!!!!!!%%%%%&^%%%^%^$ Further, putting down other professions with claims that aren't 100% factual isn't a way to "stand up" for one's profession, which Indy is apt to do sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @@@%%*&^%$#$%^&*Q!QQ%^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😱😱😕😕 😱😱

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Future Optometric Physician, Supreme Commander of the Universe, Saviour of Mankind and God of All Existence!!!
 
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