Odds of moving west if you do residency on the east?

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Ideally I want to move west (Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, California) for fellowship or as an attending. Is this still possible/likely if I do residency on the East Coast with the current job market trends?

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Ideally I want to move west (Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, California) for fellowship or as an attending. Is this still possible/likely if I do residency on the East Coast with the current job market trends?
Two separate scenarios: Fellowship or attending? The likelihood is quite different. e.g. If you do residency in the East coast and then want to pursue a non-competitive fellowship like BB/TM, surg path, or cytopath, then it is practically a lock 🔒 that you will get one of those fellowships somewhere in the West coast.

However, if you are talking about as attending i.e. a job in the West Coast, it probably would be tougher. Again, there are many different variables. For example, if you just did a 4 yr AP/CP residency in the East coast at a bum program, no fellowship, then hung your shingle out as a generalist in the West Coast applying for jobs, then it would be significantly harder to find a job. However, if you trained at MGH, then a neuropath fellowship (East or West coast), it would be likely you get a neuropath job in the West coast in academics, and possibly pp if it's a big enough group. Also, are you ok being rural, or do you want to be in Bay Area, San Diego, Seattle, etc.? Metro areas are always going to be more competitive to land a job on either coast.

So, it all depends on your career track and other variables as mentioned above. As a general guideline (not rule), some pathologists say, "train near where you want to end up". It may help foster connections; however, it is not a dealbreaker by any means. There are a lot of East coast, Midwest, Southern trained pathologists practicing on the West Coast. And, if you want to do subspecialty practice only, then there's usually academic jobs somewhere on either coast that are open (because academics pretty much only hires subspecialists). If you don't want to do subspecialty practice only/academic route, and you trained on the East coast, then you can still end up on the West Coast, but you may have to be patient i.e. start out somewhere out West, but maybe not your favorite city.
 
Two separate scenarios: Fellowship or attending? The likelihood is quite different. e.g. If you do residency in the East coast and then want to pursue a non-competitive fellowship like BB/TM, surg path, or cytopath, then it is practically a lock 🔒 that you will get one of those fellowships somewhere in the West coast.

However, if you are talking about as attending i.e. a job in the West Coast, it probably would be tougher. Again, there are many different variables. For example, if you just did a 4 yr AP/CP residency in the East coast at a bum program, no fellowship, then hung your shingle out as a generalist in the West Coast applying for jobs, then it would be significantly harder to find a job. However, if you trained at MGH, then a neuropath fellowship (East or West coast), it would be likely you get a neuropath job in the West coast in academics, and possibly pp if it's a big enough group. Also, are you ok being rural, or do you want to be in Bay Area, San Diego, Seattle, etc.? Metro areas are always going to be more competitive to land a job on either coast.

So, it all depends on your career track and other variables as mentioned above. As a general guideline (not rule), some pathologists say, "train near where you want to end up". It may help foster connections; however, it is not a dealbreaker by any means. There are a lot of East coast, Midwest, Southern trained pathologists practicing on the West Coast. And, if you want to do subspecialty practice only, then there's usually academic jobs somewhere on either coast that are open (because academics pretty much only hires subspecialists). If you don't want to do subspecialty practice only/academic route, and you trained on the East coast, then you can still end up on the West Coast, but you may have to be patient i.e. start out somewhere out West, but maybe not your favorite city.
Thanks. I should note I'm an M4 US-MD. I applied 4 year AP/CP only. I feel pretty strongly that I'm shooting for cyto or hemepath. Maybe surg.

Nearly none of my programs ranked are IMG workhorse programs, although many of my east coast programs are arguably mid tier with a few exceptions (Vermont, UVA, UPMC, UPenn, Jefferson, Cooper, VCU).

Definitely okay rural, ideally suburb, not major centers like San Diego. Don't see myself long term academia and would like to shift to community practice or PP.

So I suppose it all comes down to being as competitive as possible for fellowship if I stayed East?
 
If you want to practice on the West Coast - train on the West Coast. Even if you get a fellowship in the West Coast after doing an East Coast residency, you will be applying for jobs within the first few months of the fellowship. The standards of care, classifications and language of sign outs vary from the East and West coast.
I don't know about the current job market trends - but if you want to do academics on the West Coast, then going to a top tier program (anywhere) would be the best bet (unless you can can get training at the same West Coast program). As for private practice on the West Coast - it's mostly word of mouth from the academic departments nearby. It's a lot easier work-wise and it's a way easier transition to practice near where you trained.
Edit - if you want PP on the West Coast, train on the West Coast. Feel free to DM me for more information
 
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