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Hello everyone. I am a second year who will write the exam in June 2011. Meanwhile let this be a good thread where everyone share their study progress and recent trend of the exam.
Time for my writeup that I promised. As i said I thought my test was quite difficult and a lot wasn't found in FA....
I always find it amusing when people say stuff isn't in first aid. Most of the time it probably is, as a side note, somewhere random. Almost any question that involves reasoning wont be spelled out in first aid, its a fact book, not a text book. This is why you don't memorize the book before you understand it (or if you do memorize it, don't forget to work out those associations and concepts), because it is in first aid, you just had to string together 2 or 3 facts to get the answer. Obviously First Aid doesn't contain EVERYTHING (and we are well aware of specifics), but you would be hard pressed not to find nearly everything in there if you really went looking.
I always find it amusing when people say stuff isn't in first aid. Most of the time it probably is, as a side note, somewhere random. Almost any question that involves reasoning wont be spelled out in first aid, its a fact book, not a text book. This is why you don't memorize the book before you understand it (or if you do memorize it, don't forget to work out those associations and concepts), because it is in first aid, you just had to string together 2 or 3 facts to get the answer. Obviously First Aid doesn't contain EVERYTHING (and we are well aware of specifics), but you would be hard pressed not to find nearly everything in there if you really went looking.
I'm very particular about this because using too many resources (taus method) is going to leave most people in the weeds. If they had just really focused on a few resources (assuming you didn't need extra extra help) you WILL do better.
That was by far the most entertaining and informative post I had read all year. I nearly fell off of my chair by having to grab my sides. I'm sure you killed it.I love this forum so I have to post my experience. Nobody comment on the grammar because I have had about 5 martinis and 3 shots so I'm wasted but my dedication to this forum forces me to still post so I must.
I gotta say guys the test is not bad. I hope that I did well but I felt it was fairly "easy" in the sense that we have been preparing for it for so long. I think FA + Uworld is more than enough. I even think UWorld is too much because it makes you think the world is trying to trick you.
The highest I ever got on a practice test was a 242 on NBME 7 I think so I am not sure how I did on the real thing. There were probably 15 qs that FA could not prepare me for on the entire test out of 322 so I don't think that is bad. The rest you could reason out or pick up from FA or UWorld.
I saw people studying before the test form FA...dont' do that. What is wrong with you people. It's an 8 hour test. Chill out and relax, don't study. Come on man. Why would you do that.
My test was Immuno, Cardio, and Renal heavy. Here is the breakdown for you guys.
Renal: Did someone unleash all the possible kidney diseases on me? Just understand the two pages of the nephro versus nephri and you should be good I feel. Also understand the ATN versus DIC, the simple stuff and there is no way you won't kill this section.
Histo: Was there anything there except one question?
Micro: Thank the lords of the Step 1 this was one of my strong points and man did I get 30 Qs on this. The common stuff with the common presentations, it is so doable.
Pharm: Easy stuff with the common side effects for most drugs. Just know FA. One drug in there that I had never heard of but the rest were in FA. Don't sweat it.
Pulm: Pretty easy stuff. You can do this if you have a basic understanding of this stuff. Just study FA and you are set. Know a little anatomy too.
Neuro: Was so easy that I am pissed I spent 1 full day on HY Neuro. Really I am floored by the stuff I saw. You could figure this out if you looked at FA.
Genetics: WTF??? Everyone was mating with their Mom and Dad I swear. I had no clue on this crap. This was the worst for me.
Behavioral: Was so easy that I was thanking the pregnant teens across the U.S. for it. It is doable. Maybe 1-2 Qs that make you think but the rest are easy.
Pshcy: Easy! These points you should bank. If you don't, I will find you in your dreams and do things to you that you won't like.
Pathphys: My booty hurts, that's how rough it was. I don't even know how to prepare. There were some that were ridiculous.
Repro: You know it or you don't. Some easy give me stuff you expect. Other stuff has more path phys involved. The usual presentation of the common stuff will be there that is in first aid. Don't know how else you can prepare for it.
Hepatic stuff: Know alcoholics and know them well. Also know the anatomy of the liver. It might be important.
HIV: Know the drugs and know the infections that can happen.
Musculo: Know innervations and the common stuff that can happen...ex: ALS.
Endo: Some rought Qs but most easy stuff. The usual typical stuff. You know what I mean. You can't go wrong with it. Why does the little girl have a penis kind of stuff.
GI: Pretty Easy from what I remember. This hormone does what in the stomach? Oh you take this medication to do what?
Cardio: Heart sounds were a joke. You can figure them out. The Qs were rough around some of the pathology but most of the stuff you can figure it out. Nothing more to add to this.
Biochem: Vitamin Def, Common Enzymes for pathways. So easy for the amount I studied.
Embryo: I had maybe 3 Qs, 2 from FA...1 from who knows where.
Anatomy: You can do this, it is easy. Maybe 2 Qs out of 10 that I didn't have a clue on but even those I reasoned out and I'm trashed!
Heme: Dear God, could they have made this any easier. I felt like I was going to cream myself when I saw the qs they had...the usual stuff, boy eating paint, guy eating him. The usual stuff. You can do this. The cancers are there too. You got this. If you don't get this, I will show up in your dreams again. Cancer!
Immuno: A little easier than I expected but there were a few Qs that were smoking me. But the usual cytokines and receptors kind of stuff. Nothing major.
Did I miss anything? Please let me know. I love you guys. You guys are the best. This test is doable. Don't lose hope. You got this. FA+UWorld is gold. Trust me, I used every resource under the sun. I could cite FA pages as I did the qs.
Oooh by the way, I had about 5 qs from the practice NBMEs. They do show up...it's impossible for them not to.
I hate complement def stuff. Can't wait for the scores but not sweating it too much.
I believe it. FA isn't an official syllabus for the step so it's to be expected. I'm sure you still did great tho. Could have just had an exam with tougher questions so nicer curve. Or they could have been experimentalHave you taken the test yet? There will be many things that are not mentioned at all in FA. I memorized FA completely (AND understood everything) and I knew what page every disease could be found etc. And there was a ton of stuff that is not in it.
Have you taken the test yet? There will be many things that are not mentioned at all in FA. I memorized FA completely (AND understood everything) and I knew what page every disease could be found etc. And there was a ton of stuff that is not in it.
Oh I didn't say everything. But I would say at least 50% (probably bordering 75%) of the time somebody says "x isn't in first aid" I know where it is generally a side note in a margin in a very odd section not in the index, that all I mean. Not to mislead you need to do an entire question bank on top of FA to weed out the missing stuff and test your understanding. I'm agreeing with you in a way I think FA is terrible because of how fragmented it is but there is a lot in there. You prove my point as well, it wont be on the disease page, it'll be somewhere stupid in the margin.
I also said what I said on the advice of a neurosurgeon (use as few comprehensive resources as you can i.e. FA + Qbank) but maybe he was just smart in the first place.
But we are all different and each test is different so to each their own.
OK I'm up next (in 20 hrs!!!)...wish me luck seeker 🙂 You're so good at these lil pep talks...and I need one, please!
I agree with you that FA is a starting base - you should at least try to learn everything in there. If you worked hard during basic sci FA reviews concepts and has details that is very high yield, that's why everyone uses it. It will probably vary how high yield it is for each individual depending on how their test makeup is.
FA even writes in the book that it should not be used as the main studying tool (though at this point I think it is for the majority of people) as it only contains things they consider must know high yields for the exam.
Eeekkk good luck to you too!!!! 🙂Me too! Good luck, let's kill it 🙂
OK I'm up next (in 20 hrs!!!)...wish me luck seeker 🙂 You're so good at these lil pep talks...and I need one, please!
You're so awesome! I was smiling the whole time I read that and I'm going to read it again tomorrow morning 🙂 Thank you!You got this man, you got nothing to worry about. The only thing you should be thinking about is what you are going to do to celebrate tomorrow. Go in there knowing they throw stupid idiotic questions into every block just to mess with us but we are better than them. Don't get stuck on the stupid stuff and let your muscle memory take over. I swear that crap works. Everytime I didn't know an answer, the first thing that came to my mind I picked and bam, it was right (I double checked!).
Don't let me see you talking about First Aid later today. You need to relax and watch a movie. Don't think about opening that book tomorrow either. It's evil!
I just want you to walk in there and ask the Step 1 people one question tomorrow..."who is your daddy?" and you know what Step 1 will say..."You!!!!"
I LOVE DRINKING! I got you in my toast tonight! Go smoke this like Will Smith smoked Carlton's career.
I know each testing centers differ, but can my FA binder fit in their small lockers?
What about Immuno? Was it heavily tested for you?Took it today and didn't think it was too bad. Most was either directly from UW/FA or could be reasoned out from info gained in there. Pharm was especially easy. Of course there were questions that seemed to be out of left field (3-4 per block), but honestly don't think you can really prepare for those outside of knowing everything about everything.
I always find it amusing when people say stuff isn't in first aid. Most of the time it probably is, as a side note, somewhere random. Almost any question that involves reasoning wont be spelled out in first aid, its a fact book, not a text book. This is why you don't memorize the book before you understand it (or if you do memorize it, don't forget to work out those associations and concepts), because it is in first aid, you just had to string together 2 or 3 facts to get the answer. Obviously First Aid doesn't contain EVERYTHING (and we are well aware of specifics), but you would be hard pressed not to find nearly everything in there if you really went looking.
I'm very particular about this because using too many resources (taus method) is going to leave most people in the weeds. If they had just really focused on a few resources (assuming you didn't need extra extra help) you WILL do better.
I took the test today and all I can say was I thought it was way harder than the NBME tests and at least as hard as Uworld Qbank maybe harder. If I only got about 60% of the questions right does anyone know what kinda score range that equates to historically? I'm really not sure how I did because I made a lot of educated guesses. I'm feeling pretty down right now... maybe I can write more later.
If you prepped solidly, I can almost guarantee you got more than 60% correct (and probably way more). According to FA, a passing score has historically involved getting 65-70% correct. If you were serious enough about studying to do multiple NBMEs, I can pretty much assure you that you at least passed (and probably did way, way better than that).
Took the test today, and because I got so much good info from ya'lls I'm posting this quick write up before I return to drinking for the rest of tonight...and all of tomorrow....I'll write a longer thing later...
Overall, today was a blood bath, or at least it feels that way now...
The good: I got a fair amount of random questions that I happened to know the answer too but were def NOT in FA, easy pharm, pretty easy micro
The bad: neuro/neuroanatomy and anatomy were ALL over my exam...I'm talking like 5-12 neuro questions per block and easily 8-12 anatomy questions per block. Neuro was my weakest subject...I magically "forgot" all the tracts today and had about 6 or 7 brainstem slides...yay me. I only one question about bleeds which I have down cold...Oh, and I'm pretty darn solid in biostats and behavioral (~80% on UW) and every question that needed a calculation was either a) NOT in FA or b) presented in a 13-line paragraph that required 3-4 to understand what the hell they were saying. Also, I swear some of the ethics questions had two right answers...or should I say both sucked equally...
THE UGLY: The first block and the last block. The first 10 questions of my exam were insane and given some exam day jitters I allowed myself to spend ~20 minutes on them. The last block was filled with 50% WTF!?! questions and I basically found myself with 8 minutes for the last 12 problems. So, when combined with being short on time in the first block, I LITERALLY GUESSED ON ~15 QUESTIONS ON STEP1!!!! The worst part of it all...as I fired through them clicking at random I saw just how friggen easy 60% of them were. Time has never been an issue for me, but I basically lost track regarding how long I spent on some of the questions.
I took the free 150 and got a predicted score in the 240s on medfriends and my UW% was in the low 60s at the end...at this point, I just wanna pass. I really thought things were gonna be OK until the last block, and then boom!
Anywho, nobody feels good coming out of this I guess, so here's to hoping...oh man please let me pass!
My short-term advice for anybody taking it soon: WATCH YOUR TIME!
Good luck to all!
Took the test today, and because I got so much good info from ya'lls I'm posting this quick write up before I return to drinking for the rest of tonight...and all of tomorrow....I'll write a longer thing later...
Overall, today was a blood bath, or at least it feels that way now...
The good: I got a fair amount of random questions that I happened to know the answer too but were def NOT in FA, easy pharm, pretty easy micro
The bad: neuro/neuroanatomy and anatomy were ALL over my exam...I'm talking like 5-12 neuro questions per block and easily 8-12 anatomy questions per block. Neuro was my weakest subject...I magically "forgot" all the tracts today and had about 6 or 7 brainstem slides...yay me. I only one question about bleeds which I have down cold...Oh, and I'm pretty darn solid in biostats and behavioral (~80% on UW) and every question that needed a calculation was either a) NOT in FA or b) presented in a 13-line paragraph that required 3-4 to understand what the hell they were saying. Also, I swear some of the ethics questions had two right answers...or should I say both sucked equally...
THE UGLY: The first block and the last block. The first 10 questions of my exam were insane and given some exam day jitters I allowed myself to spend ~20 minutes on them. The last block was filled with 50% WTF!?! questions and I basically found myself with 8 minutes for the last 12 problems. So, when combined with being short on time in the first block, I LITERALLY GUESSED ON ~15 QUESTIONS ON STEP1!!!! The worst part of it all...as I fired through them clicking at random I saw just how friggen easy 60% of them were. Time has never been an issue for me, but I basically lost track regarding how long I spent on some of the questions.
I took the free 150 and got a predicted score in the 240s on medfriends and my UW% was in the low 60s at the end...at this point, I just wanna pass. I really thought things were gonna be OK until the last block, and then boom!
Anywho, nobody feels good coming out of this I guess, so here's to hoping...oh man please let me pass!
My short-term advice for anybody taking it soon: WATCH YOUR TIME!
Good luck to all!
I did really well on my practice tests, literally all between 230 and 250. The real thing felt totally different. When I did the practice tests I felt good about the tests. This thing felt like I was guessing way too much. After the first block I felt like this 😱 After the 4th block I felt like this 🙁 and now I just feel like this
BTW, where did you see the part about historically 65-70% correct to pass in first aid? I can't find that part.
What about Immuno? Was it heavily tested for you?
Took my test on Saturday. I have absolutely no idea how I did, although I have to say that I felt exactly this unsure when I took nbme 7, uwsa 1 and uwsa 2, so I'm hoping my performance was consistent and I scored at least around the same range, though I was really hoping I'd feel better about the real exam. I freaked out a little in my last block because I finished with a little bit more time than other blocks, was looking at my marked questions and changing my answers a lot, and then worrying that I was changing them arbitrarily and screwing myself over.
A few easy questions felt kind of like a Captcha "Are you a human or a spambot?" questions, lots of "Huh, I know what you're talking about but I'm not 100% sure how to answer this" and only a very small handful of "Woah! I have absolutely no idea how to answer this or I really just don't have this crucial fact memorized."
Other people have given better write ups on content. Only other thing I wanted to add about the whole experience was that they did take my phone away from me. 🙁 Which I really wish they hadn't because I had a few unknown answer choices that I saw in one block that I wanted to look up during break, that then came up in the next block. And I hadn't brought my copy of First Aid with me. Ah well.
I definitely got at least one question right because someone had mentioned a drug in a topic on SDN and I looked it up, so thanks guys! 😀 I really wish I'd bought UWorld earlier and done it twice (or that my school had given me more time to study; I used 4 weeks of my available 5). I got quite a few questions right using knowledge I'd learned from the qbank, and even from the self assessments.
Anyway, good luck to those who haven't taken it yet!And to those who have, damn this is going to be a long wait for our scores, but at least we're free!
I know everybody has been saying (for the most part) that UW + FA is great study tool. What about Kaplan Q bank? Did anyone do UW and Kaplan Q bank together? How would you rate the benefit of Kaplan or Rx?
I know everybody has been saying (for the most part) that UW + FA is great study tool. What about Kaplan Q bank? Did anyone do UW and Kaplan Q bank together? How would you rate the benefit of Kaplan or Rx?
I know everybody has been saying (for the most part) that UW + FA is great study tool. What about Kaplan Q bank? Did anyone do UW and Kaplan Q bank together? How would you rate the benefit of Kaplan or Rx?
The bad: neuro/neuroanatomy and anatomy were ALL over my exam...I'm talking like 5-12 neuro questions per block and easily 8-12 anatomy questions per block.
Hey BlondDoctor,
It can be hard to get things moving when motivation is at an all time low. But remember why you are doing what you are doing! 🙂 Take it one day at a time, make a specific plan at the start of the day and make sure you take small breaks every now and then. At the end of the day, you can look back at ALL that you have accomplished and that will fuel the fire for the next day 🙂
It looks like you are on the right track with doing questions. Doing practice questions is a really important part of studying for the Step 1 in my opinion. Knowing the content, however, is paramount. Just remember that you can't study for every possible question out there! 5 weeks (the time between now and your test) is plenty of time to do both! Use your primary sources well and do a few blocks of questions each day. A few days of that routine should put you in a nice schedule.
Regarding NBME practice tests: Sit down and think about days that you are willing to take those practice exams like the real deal! I'm a big believer in practice making perfect and if you set aside time in your schedule to do some (1, 2, 3, ... as many as your heart desires) of those tests, your scores will be more meaningful 🙂
Interpreting % points on the Q-banks can be tricky so I stay the heck away from it. Don't get caught up in it! 😀 I know, I know, It's easy to get sucked into it, but DON'T! The best thing you can do with the Q-banks is that you can do a good number of questions in the timed and random mode, thereby allowing you practice in a low-stakes environment. You also have access to all the answers! I would suggest keeping notes on all the questions that you miss and all those you get right for the wrong reasons. It's a lot of work, but it will pay off on test day. 🙂
Finally, you seem to have some concerns regarding certain subjects. It's ok, the three subjects you listed in your post are some of the more anxiety provoking subjects for students on this forum. This is what I did in preparation for these subjects:
Anatomy: Divide it into sections (limbs, thorax, abdomen, pelvis & perineum, head & neck); Review major arteries, nerves and innervation, muscles and miscellaneous landmarks for each section. This doesn't take as long as it sounds. Here's an example: Let's work with limb anatomy; here is what I would review:
- major branches of the axillary and external iliac arteries and downstream smaller vessels (what comes off the brachial artery?, ...)
- Brachial plexus + Lumbosacral plexus; know how to draw the brachial plexus real quick --> there's a great schematic in FA! As far as the lumbosacral plexus, know the big ones! superior and inferior gluteal nerves, sciatic nerve, ...; know what happens to the large branches of the brachial and lumbosacral plexuses/plexi (where does the anterior interosseus nerve come off?)
- Know the dermotomes for the limbs; look at a dermatome diagram and match them up to landmarks (the tips of the dorsum of the index and middle finger are innervated by what nerve?)
- Know the muscles (duh 🙂 ) and their innervation. Try to do this by compartments, I swear it will make it easier. Try to know exceptions and keep your memorizing to a minimum (only intrinsic muscles of the hand that are NOT innervated by the ulnar n.?)
- Know your landmarks (why is the adductor canal important?)
- Know clinically important procedures! (Where are large bore IV's placed? Where is the best location to put in a needle to perform a thoracocentesis?)
- Finally, Look at some CTs and XRs...this should work on your spatial abilities
Neuro: Do this section after your head and neck anatomy section; I've organized this list below in a hierarchical order (the last bullet is puts together all the other parts of neuro well in my opinion)
- Know your surface anatomy well. Any rigorous neuroanatomy atlas will do. If you don't own one, the BRS neuro-book, or wiki does just fine 🙂
- Know the blood supply to the brain! Try to complete this arterial tree: Vertebral arteries --> Basillar artery --> ? --> ? ... Know try to complete this arterial tree: Internal carotid artery --> ? --> ?; know how the circle of willis works
- Know the MAJOR tracts - Spinothalamic, DCML, corticospinal, ... and know the major nuclei of the thalamus and hypothalamus (Why is the VPM important? What is produced in the preoptic nucleus of the hypothalamus)
- Know your stroke syndromes: Wallenberg, anterior spinal, pontine, MCA, ACA, ...
Pharm: This section is a wild card. Go through pharmacology sections in first aid and if possible use Lippincott's illustrated review of pharmacology. I really like that book. The question banks will help you ALOT with this subject so that you can tease out the nitty-gritty details of side effects, ... (Why does someone on thoridiazine need regular eye exams?).
I hope this helps BlondDoctor! You get your motivation up, and there is no goal that you set that you can't achieve! 😉