I saw that there was a similar thread for 2011 that had plenty of useful info so I figured its best to start one for 2012. 👍
Official 2012 Step 1 Experiences and Scores Thread
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Not much of a forum poster, but I feel like this type of information was helpful to me.
I took an NBME every sunday morning, and they pretty accurately predicted my score. I also took both of the UWorld self-assessments, which were hialriously inflated (predicted me to get a 265 -- which I knew was fishy)
NBMEs :
6 = 238
11 = 242
12 = 250
13 = 250
Actual = 249
-- Goljan, UWorld, and First Aid
I took an NBME every sunday morning, and they pretty accurately predicted my score. I also took both of the UWorld self-assessments, which were hialriously inflated (predicted me to get a 265 -- which I knew was fishy)
NBMEs :
6 = 238
11 = 242
12 = 250
13 = 250
Actual = 249
-- Goljan, UWorld, and First Aid
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Took the test today. Wasn't bad, nothing seemed crazy and most could be identified in uworld/fa. I'd say in a block, most was FA/uworld gimme's, 35% as hypothetical researcher questions, and another 15% that are little weird. If i score really well itll be because i managed to answer correctly these researcher type questions so im a little nervous. I feel bimodal, either >240 or <220 lol.
I'm not sure how much of my final week of studying helped. It was either you knew it or you didnt. With more time I still dont think i wouldve covered what i was unsure of on the test.I think the most useful thing was questions because for me knowledge wasnt a big problem. as you study a lot youre familiar with everything. the problem comes with how to answer the question with the "best" choice. Sometimes you feel like you know too much and it can hurt because you lose sight of big picture. (I did goljan audio/RR/BRS phys/DIT/Pathoma/FA 3x/Uworld 1x)
I wish i did stuff like GT and 2 other qbanks before hand but unfortunately discovered this site late. it seems everyone who comfortably scored 250+ did this.
I feel like I studied extremely hard and honestly learned medicine really well. I think step 1 studying was great for my knowledge base but im not sure if it will show in my score. Other than additional qbanks not much more i feel i couldve done.
What do all you guys suggest for Step 2 and shelves? I want to better prepared next round. Any suggestions? Uworld/kaplan throughout the year? Appreciate it and thanks in advance!
I'm not sure how much of my final week of studying helped. It was either you knew it or you didnt. With more time I still dont think i wouldve covered what i was unsure of on the test.I think the most useful thing was questions because for me knowledge wasnt a big problem. as you study a lot youre familiar with everything. the problem comes with how to answer the question with the "best" choice. Sometimes you feel like you know too much and it can hurt because you lose sight of big picture. (I did goljan audio/RR/BRS phys/DIT/Pathoma/FA 3x/Uworld 1x)
I wish i did stuff like GT and 2 other qbanks before hand but unfortunately discovered this site late. it seems everyone who comfortably scored 250+ did this.
I feel like I studied extremely hard and honestly learned medicine really well. I think step 1 studying was great for my knowledge base but im not sure if it will show in my score. Other than additional qbanks not much more i feel i couldve done.
What do all you guys suggest for Step 2 and shelves? I want to better prepared next round. Any suggestions? Uworld/kaplan throughout the year? Appreciate it and thanks in advance!
Any ideas on when July 5th test results should come out? I was thinking 3 weeks which means 2 days from now
I'm July 5th, and if it the whole link disappearing theory is true, we're getting our scores tomorrow. Very scared.
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I'm glad you reinforce through this post what you now feel is the power of doing questions. I just finished my second cover-to-cover pass on FA, and although I learned a lot this time through, I question whether I'd even score higher now compared to having come straight out of a QBank. But yeah, I'll be sitting NBME3 within the next few days, so we'll see how that goes.
wikipedia on Step 1 "Each exam is dynamically generated for each test taker; while the general proportion of questions derived from a particular subject is the same, some test takers report that certain subjects are either emphasized or deemphasized."
An exam being dynamically generated means there is a question bank and every test you get will randomly pull out the 330 or so questions from it, thus, no two exams are alike.
I wish this had a citation on it. Any recent test-takers have a thought on this?
An exam being dynamically generated means there is a question bank and every test you get will randomly pull out the 330 or so questions from it, thus, no two exams are alike.
I wish this had a citation on it. Any recent test-takers have a thought on this?
yeah it sounds pretty damn accurate based on my test experience. Myself and 8 friends took the test on the same day at the same test center and we all had very different tests.
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Post here what you get on it. Just curious. I can actually give you some real Step 1 feedback if you do.
My school required every student to take NBME 3 exactly 1 week before their Step 1. They told us most past students go up 10-15 pts on the real one. I didn't really believe them at the time, but it seems to be accurate.
Me: NBME3 228, Real test 1 week later 239
Friend1: 235, 248 (this year)
Friend 2: 235, 250 (from year before)
Kid in my class: 219, mid-high 220s I believe.
Several other ppl, who actually expected themselves to go up the 10-15 pts based on my school's claim, confirmed they got their predicted scores based on that. Don't know exact scores, but I'd say 240+ for those kids.
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That's interesting that you say that. Some bloke who had posted on here a week or so ago with a 274 on the real thing had gotten a 240 on NBME3 8-weeks-out.
So I'll try not to bug out if NBME3 doesn't go so well (but I'll freak out regardless).
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My score is out had a 230/83. I know that's nothing compared to what most people on here have, but for those average barely passing students out there like me ...this one's for you...if i can do this ..you can.
This exam was an emotional rollercoaster for me, and thank GOD that hard work pays off..
Im going in for psych ...so i hope this puts me at the top of the pile.
Im very happy with score ...though low by SDN standards for me its more than adequate.
This exam was an emotional rollercoaster for me, and thank GOD that hard work pays off..
Im going in for psych ...so i hope this puts me at the top of the pile.
Im very happy with score ...though low by SDN standards for me its more than adequate.
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Flukologist Congratulations!
And this score, by any standards, is not LOW. Go celebrate
And this score, by any standards, is not LOW. Go celebrate
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I can already feel a plateau beginning to form, but after having had a long talk with my encouraging flatmate, he related it to the phase diagram of water, where you need a plateau at the phase-change before the temperature increase can resume. So iow, I've begun to realize that the long hours at this point aren't necessarily producing a raw increase in score as much as they are merely solidifying the basics to the point of rapid recall. As stated above, I haven't taken an NBME yet, so I really have no idea where I stand at this point, but I can just feel that I'm still very far from where I want to be by the time I sit the actual exam. Even though there are never any guarantees, I want to feel as though I'm certain of a minimal range going in, rather than just hoping for it.
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I watched this thread for nearly a year during my prep and felt obligated to give back. Background-- I got mostly HP in M1/M2 and a 30 on my MCAT and knew I had to bust my balls if I wanted to get a good score on step 1.
prep ~6 weeks-- goljan audio (throughout second year every day at gym) pathoma, FA, kaplan (~30% completed), rx (~70% completed, predicted score of 261 for what its worth), Uworld 2x (once during 2nd half of 2nd year, and once the week before my test), DIT 2011. I also used many books (chosen from the Taus method) usually only briefly, i.e. RR for reference and some chapters (pulm/heme), goljan's biochem book, some of HY neuro, some of HY molecular bio (1999 edition), some other books as well.
6 weeks out: UWSA1 240
reviewed FA and did pathoma
5 weeks out NBME 7 240
did DIT
4 weeks out NBME 11 247
did DIT
3 weeks out NBME 12 242
questions (mainly Rx and Uworld second pass)
2 weeks out UWSA2 261
Uworld 2nd pass, webpath, FA, and goljan 40 pages
1 week out NBME 13 257
Real deal 254
I truly felt like **** after this exam, and probably remembered 10-20 that I knew I had gotten wrong in the following weeks. I honestly had put my 95% confidence interval on my score between the ranges of 230-265 because if you follow this thread, you see those ranges of scores from my range of practice test scores-- its truly frightening while waiting for your score. It seems that people who take many practice tests appear to rarely fall outside of their practice range-- its only those who take only a few practice tests that end up with a score much lower than expected.
Everyone says pick a strict schedule and stick with it-- I'm pretty ADD and didn't really do that and often changed my strategy (i.e. adding webpath at the end and deciding to do Uworld again).
I think DIT was a complete waste for my and my scores were stagnant throughout the 2 weeks of the course. I'm an extremely fast test taker (had 20-30min left at the end of each block on the real deal that I used to review marked) and can do questions quickly and I wish I would have finished kaplan and Rx rather than wasting my time with DIT. DIT is good for a baseline if you are starting below 240 IMO, but if you've already got a very good knowledge base its a waste of time.
Things I would have done differently: include gunner training, no DIT, pathoma 1-2 more times, finish all major qbanks.
prep ~6 weeks-- goljan audio (throughout second year every day at gym) pathoma, FA, kaplan (~30% completed), rx (~70% completed, predicted score of 261 for what its worth), Uworld 2x (once during 2nd half of 2nd year, and once the week before my test), DIT 2011. I also used many books (chosen from the Taus method) usually only briefly, i.e. RR for reference and some chapters (pulm/heme), goljan's biochem book, some of HY neuro, some of HY molecular bio (1999 edition), some other books as well.
6 weeks out: UWSA1 240
reviewed FA and did pathoma
5 weeks out NBME 7 240
did DIT
4 weeks out NBME 11 247
did DIT
3 weeks out NBME 12 242
questions (mainly Rx and Uworld second pass)
2 weeks out UWSA2 261
Uworld 2nd pass, webpath, FA, and goljan 40 pages
1 week out NBME 13 257
Real deal 254
I truly felt like **** after this exam, and probably remembered 10-20 that I knew I had gotten wrong in the following weeks. I honestly had put my 95% confidence interval on my score between the ranges of 230-265 because if you follow this thread, you see those ranges of scores from my range of practice test scores-- its truly frightening while waiting for your score. It seems that people who take many practice tests appear to rarely fall outside of their practice range-- its only those who take only a few practice tests that end up with a score much lower than expected.
Everyone says pick a strict schedule and stick with it-- I'm pretty ADD and didn't really do that and often changed my strategy (i.e. adding webpath at the end and deciding to do Uworld again).
I think DIT was a complete waste for my and my scores were stagnant throughout the 2 weeks of the course. I'm an extremely fast test taker (had 20-30min left at the end of each block on the real deal that I used to review marked) and can do questions quickly and I wish I would have finished kaplan and Rx rather than wasting my time with DIT. DIT is good for a baseline if you are starting below 240 IMO, but if you've already got a very good knowledge base its a waste of time.
Things I would have done differently: include gunner training, no DIT, pathoma 1-2 more times, finish all major qbanks.
I took the test July 5th, and I felt that while esoteric questions were still present, the majority of the test was mostly normal stuff that had been hit upon during my classes at school, FA, and qbank questions. I left the Prometric testing center uncertain about my score, but since I had some OMM to study for my COMLEX two days later it quickly left my mind...
It was difficult for me to decide when to really start to study for boards. Spurred on by some of my classmates' motivation to start in December, I hunkered down and did some questions during Spring break this year. Classes were still in full force, though, and I preferred to put more attention to them so board studying took the back burner, but mostly the no burner. It wasn't until a week after school ended (I had to give myself a nice break) that I really started studying. I did, however, use FA 2011 to organize ideas during the course of MS2, as well as select chapters of Goljan's path book and audio lectures.
I had 6 weeks of dedicated board study time. I went through most of Kaplan's QBank (avg 68%, done in blocks of 10 from specific subjects) with a full read of FA in about 3 weeks. I averaged 70-100 questions per day (+ reading through the answers for most) and 10-20 pages of FA. At this point I wanted to see how I was doing so I took UWSA1 and got 240. Pleased with this score (that was my goal), I continued my studies but turned my attention to the much better UWorld QBank. I went through another run of FA, again doing 10 question blocks. I finished FA the second time and most of UWorld with about a week remaining. I considered taking UWSA2 (since I had already paid for it, after all) but I felt my last week would be better spent reviewing the "forgettables" - mainly pharm and micro. I started studying around 5 hours per day and slowly worked up to 8ish by the end - my tolerance for studying/boredom is very low.
When test time came around I felt prepared, but my goal was never to destroy the exam. I packed lots of protein foods (nuts, Cliff bars, PB&J sammich, etc) and drove off into the sunrise. The rest, as they say, was so three weeks ago.
I am a DO student in the top 10% of my class.
UWSA1 (3 weeks out) - 240
Real thang - 261/89
My resources: Kaplan QBank (85% comp, 68% avg) + UWorld (90% comp, 74% avg) + FA 2011
I certainly didn't have everything in FA memorized, but I knew the gist of most of it and how it worked and it served me well. The bulk of my underlying knowledge came from classes and I used FA to organize it and UWorld to refine it.
It was difficult for me to decide when to really start to study for boards. Spurred on by some of my classmates' motivation to start in December, I hunkered down and did some questions during Spring break this year. Classes were still in full force, though, and I preferred to put more attention to them so board studying took the back burner, but mostly the no burner. It wasn't until a week after school ended (I had to give myself a nice break) that I really started studying. I did, however, use FA 2011 to organize ideas during the course of MS2, as well as select chapters of Goljan's path book and audio lectures.
I had 6 weeks of dedicated board study time. I went through most of Kaplan's QBank (avg 68%, done in blocks of 10 from specific subjects) with a full read of FA in about 3 weeks. I averaged 70-100 questions per day (+ reading through the answers for most) and 10-20 pages of FA. At this point I wanted to see how I was doing so I took UWSA1 and got 240. Pleased with this score (that was my goal), I continued my studies but turned my attention to the much better UWorld QBank. I went through another run of FA, again doing 10 question blocks. I finished FA the second time and most of UWorld with about a week remaining. I considered taking UWSA2 (since I had already paid for it, after all) but I felt my last week would be better spent reviewing the "forgettables" - mainly pharm and micro. I started studying around 5 hours per day and slowly worked up to 8ish by the end - my tolerance for studying/boredom is very low.
When test time came around I felt prepared, but my goal was never to destroy the exam. I packed lots of protein foods (nuts, Cliff bars, PB&J sammich, etc) and drove off into the sunrise. The rest, as they say, was so three weeks ago.
I am a DO student in the top 10% of my class.
UWSA1 (3 weeks out) - 240
Real thang - 261/89
My resources: Kaplan QBank (85% comp, 68% avg) + UWorld (90% comp, 74% avg) + FA 2011
I certainly didn't have everything in FA memorized, but I knew the gist of most of it and how it worked and it served me well. The bulk of my underlying knowledge came from classes and I used FA to organize it and UWorld to refine it.
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On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate Qbank on usefulness? I'm very interested in knowing your opinion because your plan resembles mine a lot.
I'm assuming you're talking about Kaplan, but I'll talk about UWorld too.
Kaplan was a fair qbank. I used it primarily because my school bought the entire class subscriptions to it, but I thought it was decent. The questions were esoteric at times, but I expected this with most qbanks. Its biggest flaw, in my opinion, is the explanations. They were often too wordy and/or poorly written. I don't regret going through this qbank, and I probably owe a few points to it, but I don't really recommend it to be the crux of your learning. I have limited exposure to qbanks though so I don't know how it stands against some of the other heavy hitters.
UWorld is recommended by many for a good reason. The explanations are concise and well-written, exactly what you'd expect for the price. The questions are also spot-on in length and difficulty compared to the real thing. For my money, I can't see there being a much better qbank and recommend it to everyone.
My ratings:
Kaplan: 6
UW: 9
Hope that helps!
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for anyone that got their scores today did anybody take it on july 8? many ppl on july 5th seem to have gotten their scores, and i took it a few days later, but still have not received
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Anonymous222 said:
I just sat NBME3. After the first three blocks, I was certain I had been doing fairly well, but the 4th block was slightly more difficult and I had a few more 50/50s than expected. Anyway, a few people have PMed me about wanting me to post some sort of actual score on this thread. In terms of my prep so far (as succinct as possible), I've finished USMLE Rx and some other question sources + 2 cover-to-cover reads of FA; I have not yet touched Kaplan QBank or UWorld.
My status:
IMG at Australian medical school (UQ)
Currently 5-months-out (sitting the Step1 late-December)
NBME3 = 250
I'm a bit disappointed quite frankly, so I pray that Rocketbooster's above bold statement holds even the most minimal degree of validity.
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haha, you're more than at a good point for your goal at this point. I felt the NBME3 score is fairly consistent with your current score if you took it now. The 10-15 point jump 1-week later I think comes from a combination of everyone studying their ass for that final week and also the real curve being slightly more generous.
In your case, since I think you said you aren't doing hardcore study days (8-12 hours of studying per day, 7/days per week), I suppose it may not be as a big of a jump for you if you were to take Step 1 or another NBME in 1 week. There's really no way to say.
You could also argue that it'd be easier for you to gain 10 pts in 1 week since the difference in 250-260 is definitely less questions wrong than a 230-240. However, those fewer questions needed to go from 250 to 260 are also the smallest minutia, so you could also argue it's even harder to increase your score when you're that high since you have to study a bunch of low yield topics. Who knows haha.
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As someone else said in another thread, smart enough to score 250+, dumb enough to not know what it means.
Today is my test, I'm just hoping for 220+ 😉
Today is my test, I'm just hoping for 220+ 😉
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I think I would shoot myself if I studied for five months to add maybe 20 points to my Step 1 score.
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You know that i am your one of the biggest supporters here on SDN but i must say that i am truly disappointed/wtf (not that it really matters) with your disappointment. I know you want to do as well as humanly possible (275+) but i must say "come on man". May be you are becoming lame like your *****ic redsox.
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= wasting time unless you're below the mean...
Calm down guys, let him define success how he wants to. All these people who obsessively read and comment on a thread about Step 1 shouldn't be criticizing somebody for wasting time on the test.
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I don't think he purposely planned for it to be this long.. but the fact that he's with the Australian system and doing the MD/PhD route....
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Here's what you should do: spend the next 1-2 months busting through UWorld + another pass of FA and then take the test. You're already sitting at a great score. You don't want to burn out or start forgetting things. You want to take the test when you're at your peak, and you're getting really close to that peak I bet.
You need help buddy. I think you are forgetting why you are even in medicine unless it was purely to boost your own ego. My strong advice to you is move up your Step 1 date by about 4-4.5 months and then get clinic experience and more importantly get a life.
SDN breeds a certain type of OCDer that will never be happy by any measure in their life. I don't mean for anything I said to be an insult. I honestly suggest you see the big picture of what you want and how to get it. Good luck.
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Not happy with a 250, **** that kid.
Took the test mid june:
NBME 7 - 221 -- 3 weeks out
NBME 11 - 242 -- 1 week out
Real Deal - 251 -- couldn't be more excited. Don't know what to do with myself atm.
UWorld, DIT, and FA. Grind it out 14+ hour days for 5 weeks, no breaks. If I can do it, it is mucho possible. Good luck everyone 🙂
Took the test mid june:
NBME 7 - 221 -- 3 weeks out
NBME 11 - 242 -- 1 week out
Real Deal - 251 -- couldn't be more excited. Don't know what to do with myself atm.
UWorld, DIT, and FA. Grind it out 14+ hour days for 5 weeks, no breaks. If I can do it, it is mucho possible. Good luck everyone 🙂
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Isnt >250 regarded as all the same by program directors? <250 is numerical to >250 is categorical, from quantitative to qualitative.)
Plus, there seems to be a shelf life to knowledge (and scores), why would you want to waste 5 months trying to improve a 250? The return on investment is minimal, your risk of score dropping due to shelf life of knowledge is high.
Seems like a bad decision and investment from my end.
Just sit the damn step 1 soon.
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Damn, my school gave us a whopping 12 days off between finals and rotations starting so I had to take mine while on FM.
Took the beast yesterday, it was rough. Really difficult to gauge how I did, guess I'll find out in a few weeks.
Took the beast yesterday, it was rough. Really difficult to gauge how I did, guess I'll find out in a few weeks.
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I would go nuts if I had only 12 days between finals and rotations. IMO that is a poorly planned out school schedule. Leaves no time for any break
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Haha yes well that's what you get when you have a DO school 100+ years old thinking they are so good why would they have to change 🙄
It's not as if it hasn't been brought up.
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That's exactly the excuse. ~80% get their first choice.
I don't see why that's an excuse not to improve.
Oh well test is taken for better or for worse, now its time to relax👍
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Preachin to the choir my friend.
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Hi ya'll,
first time poster, long time viewer to SDN. So I just got my board score back. I know I shouldn't be complaining but I'm somewhat perturbed. First off, my experience taking the exam was not a good one. I almost got there late which was insane because I even stayed in a hotel the night before just so I could get the morning wake up call, but apparently Marriott phone operators dont like to do their damn job so no wake up call. Then the buffet was awful, the omelet bar wasn't even open. I know it might sound like I'm overreacting but when you dream about these experiences and then it doesnt match up it can really throw you off. Then at the center, there was construction work going on. They stopped after the first ten minutes since os many people complained but getting off to a good start is crucial which is why I was so pissed about my morning experience.
Finally, the test itself was so esoteric. Uworld was somewhat helpful, Goljan not so much. I found Pathoma to be really helpful as well as Harrison's Hematology (just for reference) and Casefiles internal medicine as it really beefed up the basics. Wished I had studied more though. 6 months was definitely not enough. Friggin ethics killed me.
Anyways, I'm hoping a 253 is enough to get my derm residency. Im starting to second guess my chances. Ive been doing everything I can, president of the derm club, read derm journals, and my dad put my name down on some of his research so I've got that covered but it's just so competitive. Ugh, fml. 😡
first time poster, long time viewer to SDN. So I just got my board score back. I know I shouldn't be complaining but I'm somewhat perturbed. First off, my experience taking the exam was not a good one. I almost got there late which was insane because I even stayed in a hotel the night before just so I could get the morning wake up call, but apparently Marriott phone operators dont like to do their damn job so no wake up call. Then the buffet was awful, the omelet bar wasn't even open. I know it might sound like I'm overreacting but when you dream about these experiences and then it doesnt match up it can really throw you off. Then at the center, there was construction work going on. They stopped after the first ten minutes since os many people complained but getting off to a good start is crucial which is why I was so pissed about my morning experience.
Finally, the test itself was so esoteric. Uworld was somewhat helpful, Goljan not so much. I found Pathoma to be really helpful as well as Harrison's Hematology (just for reference) and Casefiles internal medicine as it really beefed up the basics. Wished I had studied more though. 6 months was definitely not enough. Friggin ethics killed me.
Anyways, I'm hoping a 253 is enough to get my derm residency. Im starting to second guess my chances. Ive been doing everything I can, president of the derm club, read derm journals, and my dad put my name down on some of his research so I've got that covered but it's just so competitive. Ugh, fml. 😡
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must be nice...
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You should ask daddy to make a donation to that new library the school wants to build 😀. Also, you're above avg for derm based on the 2011 charting outcomes data and it sounds like you have the ECs and research to back it up. Just kill it 3rd year and you should be gold.
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What was so esoteric about the test? Were your practice NBME scores higher? Please be more specific.
253 isn't bad. It's actually pretty good. Considering you're an AMG who seems to be pretty well-rounded, I'd say you're in good shape.
Boston's great btw. Lucky you, already doing well for yourself just by being there. I want residency in Boston.
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Lol, medicine is so heavily based on nepotism. I didn't really realize or understand it until medical school.
You'll be fine, in this field it's better to have a friend/family member in a power position than it is to be good. Most medical students could learn how to be a dermatologist or whatever. Being good isn't nearly as important as your network.
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This is the worst part about SDN. Completely clueless.
