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Ohio state Vs Cleveland Clinic?

interested in solids
 
Thanks!

I didn't like Cleveland Clinic when I was interviewing for IM residency but I thought their fellowship program might be different.

In that case, I see OSU as the best program in Ohio, right?
 
how is this program compare to the like of UK, Tufts, UVA, WVU, Tulane? should I even go to the interview? I had planned for 15 IVs but now more programs are sending out IVs this week... what to do y'all? i'm an IMG and I don't really want to regret later if I turn them down and end up not matching.. 🙁
 
Yeah there was a post about Georgia Regents a few weeks ago most of which were negative tones but one dude defending it.

GRU is really behind the ball on their invites this year. Perhaps its that uncertain situation.
 
qv3755 said:
how is this program compare to the like of UK, Tufts, UVA, WVU, Tulane? should I even go to the interview? I had planned for 15 IVs but now more programs are sending out IVs this week... what to do y'all? i'm an IMG and I don't really want to regret later if I turn them down and end up not matching.. 🙁
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You have way better invites.
 
gutonc said:
There's not enough objective difference between those programs for anybody but you to meaningfully rank them. I will say that Wayne State and Buffalo are probably a half a notch above them all.
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Thanks, Gutonc!
 
argentina09 said:
Same here.. I don't know what to do.. Going to 16
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Nah. I'm still keeping my interview list at 15. U? I hope 15 will be enough to land a spot this year.

did anyone receive those love emails from PDs and/or chiefs after you send them your follow-up emails? can I really trust them?
 
Niviancer said:
Yeah there was a post about Georgia Regents a few weeks ago most of which were negative tones but one dude defending it.

GRU is really behind the ball on their invites this year. Perhaps its that uncertain situation.
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I declined, hope it will help someone who doesn't have invites. Their program is in disarray from what I was able to find out. PD left, division chief and some more faculty leaving, cancer center has a new director who apparently does not get along well with fellowship faculty. Too many issues, which probably explains why they sent invites so late.
 
have gone more than half of interviews. My list is not as good and I am an IMG coming from a community program done good basic science research, love solid onc. preferrably stay in academia but not ruling out private practice. Would like to do some research but not dead pan on it. Please help and advice my ranking list if you would change anything
1. U wash Fred Hutchinson ( traditionally has to rank 1 out of all)
2. USC ( perfect location for me i mean in LA)
3. Baylor college of medicine Houston ( MD anderson 10 months elective bonus )
4. Tufts ( weak clinical but good research and boston good academic potential)
5. UVa ( small program with horrible call schedule, every other day to every 2 day but very nice ppl and flexible schedule and kinda good reputation may be)
6. Baylor Dallas (love the city better than other on my list and call schedule. downside of only onc 2 year program)
7. Mayo Jacksonville ( haven't gone yet. some insight would be appreciated)
8. SUNY downstate ( community and clinical program, no research)
9. Orlando health ( community program, MD anderson affiliation might be discontinued)
10. UF Jacksonville ( haven't gone yet)
11. Ochsners (it is what it is)

I am biased putting baylor dallas above other 3 years program. and tufts versus UVA ?? any comment or thoughts.
 
I would move UVa above Tufts personally. UVa had several graduating fellows go into academia recently. In Boston, Tufts seems to be third fiddle with an uncertain financial climate as all the hospitals are being eaten up by the bigger health systems.

Is the USC program for hem or onc? Or is it combined? I didn't apply because I didn't find it on the combined list haha.
 
Niviancer said:
I would move UVa above Tufts personally. UVa had several graduating fellows go into academia recently. In Boston, Tufts seems to be third fiddle with an uncertain financial climate as all the hospitals are being eaten up by the bigger health systems.

Is the USC program for hem or onc? Or is it combined? I didn't apply because I didn't find it on the combined list haha.
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USC is under onc program but they have combined track although it is not shown up on combined list. Strange enough on Ranking list they show up only under heme program but they do accommodate 3 years.
 
solidoncgirl said:
have gone more than half of interviews. My list is not as good and I am an IMG coming from a community program done good basic science research, love solid onc. preferrably stay in academia but not ruling out private practice. Would like to do some research but not dead pan on it. Please help and advice my ranking list if you would change anything
1. U wash Fred Hutchinson ( traditionally has to rank 1 out of all)
2. USC ( perfect location for me i mean in LA)
3. Baylor college of medicine Houston ( MD anderson 10 months elective bonus )
4. Tufts ( weak clinical but good research and boston good academic potential)
5. UVa ( small program with horrible call schedule, every other day to every 2 day but very nice ppl and flexible schedule and kinda good reputation may be)
6. Baylor Dallas (love the city better than other on my list and call schedule. downside of only onc 2 year program)
7. Mayo Jacksonville ( haven't gone yet. some insight would be appreciated)
8. SUNY downstate ( community and clinical program, no research)
9. Orlando health ( community program, MD anderson affiliation might be discontinued)
10. UF Jacksonville ( haven't gone yet)
11. Ochsners (it is what it is)

I am biased putting baylor dallas above other 3 years program. and tufts versus UVA ?? any comment or thoughts.
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I would argue that putting together a rank list when you haven't visited them all is kind of silly. But your top 3 are a no brainer like they are. Can you put Downstate lower than 11? Because I would.
 
solidoncgirl said:
have gone more than half of interviews. My list is not as good and I am an IMG coming from a community program done good basic science research, love solid onc. preferrably stay in academia but not ruling out private practice. Would like to do some research but not dead pan on it. Please help and advice my ranking list if you would change anything
1. U wash Fred Hutchinson ( traditionally has to rank 1 out of all)
2. USC ( perfect location for me i mean in LA)
3. Baylor college of medicine Houston ( MD anderson 10 months elective bonus )
4. Tufts ( weak clinical but good research and boston good academic potential)
5. UVa ( small program with horrible call schedule, every other day to every 2 day but very nice ppl and flexible schedule and kinda good reputation may be)
6. Baylor Dallas (love the city better than other on my list and call schedule. downside of only onc 2 year program)
7. Mayo Jacksonville ( haven't gone yet. some insight would be appreciated)
8. SUNY downstate ( community and clinical program, no research)
9. Orlando health ( community program, MD anderson affiliation might be discontinued)
10. UF Jacksonville ( haven't gone yet)
11. Ochsners (it is what it is)

I am biased putting baylor dallas above other 3 years program. and tufts versus UVA ?? any comment or thoughts.
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u must be an awesome candidate to get invite at Fred Hutchingson especially when your main interest is in solids. I know people who got invite at the top 3s but didn't land an invite at Fred b/c of their solids confession.
 
gutonc said:
I would argue that putting together a rank list when you haven't visited them all is kind of silly. But your top 3 are a no brainer like they are. Can you put Downstate lower than 11? Because I would.
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Thank you gutonc. I am almost done with my interviews and after going for a while, I feel like everything becomes similar and experience is not gonna change much. I don't know I just want to finish everything asap. put my rank list and certify and wait for Dec 4. Anyhow thank you for your suggestion.
 
qv3755 said:
u must be an awesome candidate to get invite at Fred Hutchingson especially when your main interest is in solids. I know people who got invite at the top 3s but didn't land an invite at Fred b/c of their solids confession.
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It is indeed a pleasant unexpected invite with minimal chance to match 😀. I know it is very strong in liquid but all my research are solids and already mention my preference. I think i get lucky.
 
Is it too pushy to update program directors where I had interviews( or even programs I haven't heard from yet) about first author oral presentation at ASH? My mentor told me to do so, but this seems to be a little too much IMO? Any thoughts on that issue?😕
 
Elchimi said:
Is it too pushy to update program directors where I had interviews( or even programs I haven't heard from yet) about first author oral presentation at ASH? My mentor told me to do so, but this seems to be a little too much IMO? Any thoughts on that issue?😕
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i wouldn't do it imo. but you can do it at least with the programs that you're dying to match.
 
solidoncgirl said:
It is indeed a pleasant unexpected invite with minimal chance to match 😀. I know it is very strong in liquid but all my research are solids and already mention my preference. I think i get lucky.
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everyone of us who received invitation for interview HAS a chance to match no matter how small.. if they invited you even if your interest is in solids then you're an excellent candidate and has a great chance to match imo.
 
Hey Guys,
Could you give me input about Case Western. Program strengths? And compared to U Minn, Baylor, U Nebraska, Wayne State, and U Arizona. Undecided between solids and liquids. GutOnc, I would really appreciate your input. Thanks!
 
Hopefulhemonc said:
Hey Guys,
Could you give me input about Case Western. Program strengths? And compared to U Minn, Baylor, U Nebraska, Wayne State, and U Arizona. Undecided between solids and liquids. GutOnc, I would really appreciate your input. Thanks!
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With the exception of AZ, all those other programs are much stronger than Case.
 
Elchimi said:
Is it too pushy to update program directors where I had interviews( or even programs I haven't heard from yet) about first author oral presentation at ASH? My mentor told me to do so, but this seems to be a little too much IMO? Any thoughts on that issue?😕
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If framed appropriately, I don't think a tactful email update to your Top 3 would be bad at all. Oral abstract presentation at ASH is an accomplishment that most faculty or fellows will never have, let alone applicants. You definitely need to highlight that.
 
I know its October, but is there any glimmer that anymore invites will be sent out? I think 1/3 of the places I applied to haven't sent anything. I've just assumed rejection but haven't noted that anyone else has heard from them either.
 
carrigallen said:
If framed appropriately, I don't think a tactful email update to your Top 3 would be bad at all. Oral abstract presentation at ASH is an accomplishment that most faculty or fellows will never have, let alone applicants. You definitely need to highlight that.
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Agree. Too bad ASH is after match day.
 
Interested in solid tumor oncology especially GI, but not ruled out other tumor types. Would stay in academics after fellowship. Interested in translational/clinical research. Here is my tentative rank order. Any advice/input would be appreciated.

1. NCI
2. Vanderbilt
3. UNC
4. Cornell
5. OSU
6. FCCC/Temple
7. Georgetown
8. UAB
9. Baylor College of Medicine
10. UTSW
11. Indiana
12. U Minn
 
Melanoma2 said:
Interested in solid tumor oncology especially GI, but not ruled out other tumor types. Would stay in academics after fellowship. Interested in translational/clinical research. Here is my tentative rank order. Any advice/input would be appreciated.

1. NCI
2. Vanderbilt
3. UNC
4. Cornell
5. OSU
6. FCCC/Temple
7. Georgetown
8. UAB
9. Baylor College of Medicine
10. UTSW
11. Indiana
12. U Minn
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if you're interested in solids, why do you rank UTSW so low? I think it should be in your top 5.
 
Can someone please elaborate on why Cleveland Clinic does not have a better reputation in heme/onc despite being a nationally ranked hospital? Confused.
 
pvera said:
Can someone please elaborate on why Cleveland Clinic does not have a better reputation in heme/onc despite being a nationally ranked hospital? Confused.
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ask yourself what you want to do? i think you have to go see the place for yoruself. IMO, CC just doesn't have a lot of people ended up in academia and the hence the lower reputation rank? there's a report a couple of year back that showed CC in the red (ie. loosing money) and so they have to cut cost.. where do you think they're going to cut? From a clinical standpoint, i think it's still the place to be.. but it's probably not top 10 if you want to go into academia.
 
Any thoughts UTSW vs Baylor? Can only go to one.
Interested in staying academic, more interested in solids.
 
Just got a very late interview invite from Georgetown, I suspect secondary to cancellations. Already interviewed at 8 programs. Don't know much about DC programs. Is it worth going. Interested in solid tumor.
 
pvera said:
Just got a very late interview invite from Georgetown, I suspect secondary to cancellations. Already interviewed at 8 programs. Don't know much about DC programs. Is it worth going. Interested in solid tumor.
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i think it's a good program that gets overlooked by JH and NCI/NIH in the same area. Probably in the same titer as George Washington. I know a PD who graduated from there. Great in benign heme. George Washington is probably better in malignant heme. I don't know much about solids though.. D.C can be quite expensive and traffic can be a mess some times but there're lots of things to do.
 
Long time follower, first time poster:
Thoughts on a guy wanting to do clinical trials in solids:
ROL:
Yale
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Pittsburgh
USC
MCW
Iowa
Tufts
Minnesota

Some of the list is based on gut (not gutonc) and maybe not purely on the quality of the program.
 
docdorian1216 said:
Long time follower, first time poster:
Thoughts on a guy wanting to do clinical trials in solids:
ROL:
Yale
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Pittsburgh
USC
MCW
Iowa
Tufts
Minnesota

Some of the list is based on gut (not gutonc) and maybe not purely on the quality of the program.
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I would flip a coin for Pitt/OSU at the top and then another coin for Yale and Wisconsin at 3/4 then swap MCW and Iowa and you're done.

But there's nothing really wrong with your list as it is.
 
docdorian1216 said:
Long time follower, first time poster:
Thoughts on a guy wanting to do clinical trials in solids:
ROL:
Yale
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Pittsburgh
USC
MCW
Iowa
Tufts
Minnesota

Some of the list is based on gut (not gutonc) and maybe not purely on the quality of the program.
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I would leave OSU above MCW. At USC, not sure how much research you will be able to do. Apparently it is a very busy program so fellows get worked a lot, which is not a bad thing. Pretty decent list, good luck!
 
Anyone have any information about Pharmaceutical jobs coming out of hem-onc?

What is the lifestyle, salary, job description? What kind of training is generally required during fellowship? Competitiveness?

Thanks.
 
I will move ohio state and Wisconsin below Pittsburgh or even USC ( I assume Univ. of South California, right?).

docdorian1216 said:
Long time follower, first time poster:
Thoughts on a guy wanting to do clinical trials in solids:
ROL:
Yale
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Pittsburgh
USC
MCW
Iowa
Tufts
Minnesota

Some of the list is based on gut (not gutonc) and maybe not purely on the quality of the program.
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I have a hard time with my list since my family's s favorite spots are probably a touch weaker in malignant heme and BMT. I don't know how much does it matter in the end. I am interested in good clinical training with translational/basic science research, focus on malignant heme and maybe BMT fellowship later and will stay in academic. Family prefers 1. Colorado or 2. MUSC, but would go anywhere...

1 UColorado (improved mal heme and BMT with new PD and rapidly growing, cord transplants etc)
2 MUSC (will be comprehensive CC soon)
3 UMinn ( best program for my preference I guess?)
4 Vanderbilt (good overall)
5 MCW ( transplant database
6 UAB (good BMT, solid program)
7 UBuffalo
8 UArizona
9 Cleveland clinic
10 UMiami

What do you think about the list? Without family input Colorado would be prob at position 2-4 and MUSC at 6-7 or so.
 
Elchimi said:
I have a hard time with my list since my family's s favorite spots are probably a touch weaker in malignant heme and BMT. I don't know how much does it matter in the end. I am interested in good clinical training with translational/basic science research, focus on malignant heme and maybe BMT fellowship later and will stay in academic. Family prefers 1. Colorado or 2. MUSC, but would go anywhere...

1 UColorado (improved mal heme and BMT with new PD and rapidly growing, cord transplants etc)
2 MUSC (will be comprehensive CC soon)
3 UMinn ( best program for my preference I guess?)
4 Vanderbilt (good overall)
5 MCW ( transplant database
6 UAB (good BMT, solid program)
7 UBuffalo
8 UArizona
9 Cleveland clinic
10 UMiami

What do you think about the list? Without family input Colorado would be prob at position 2-4 and MUSC at 6-7 or so.
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Ignoring your family (which I understand is a major issue, my ROL had a major family impact) I'd swap MUSC and UAB and move Vandy to 2 or 3.

Also, of the dozen or so people I've known who have gone into fellowship planning on doing BMT, I can count on 1 finger the number who have actually done it in the end. So don't get super hung up on that.
 
apsth679 said:
is everyone gonna rank all the places they interviewed at?
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if you made the effort to go to all of these interviews, i don't know why you should not rank them all? It doesn't make sense to rank the one that you declined or didn't get invited but i would definitely rank all of the ones that I interviewed. I spent too much time and money not to rank.😉
 
I guess the only real reason would be if you were unimpressed with the iv or the program wasn't a great fit for you and you would rather not match and try again next year than match at that particular program
 
qv3755 said:
if you made the effort to go to all of these interviews, i don't know why you should not rank them all? It doesn't make sense to rank the one that you declined or didn't get invited but i would definitely rank all of the ones that I interviewed. I spent too much time and money not to rank.😉
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I didn't rank one program I interviewed at. It was the program I almost walked out of mid-way through the interview day. I would have preferred being a hospitalist to matching there.
 
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