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[Dr. Anonymouss]

quick noob questions if it's ok that I ask and if anyone could be so kind, thanks in advance!


1. what's the difference between IM and IM-derm? is the latter just a scenario where IM is a transitional year/prelim or something? Or can someone actually do derm off of IM?

2. What does it mean when it says something is "integrated"? Like with transitional radiology or plastic surgery

3. What's the difference between the 3 types of anesthesiologies above? One is like pg1-4 (isn't that what anes already is?)

4. The OMFS people are dental students, right?

Thanks.

1.) It is a combined residency. You become board certified in both IM and Dermatology, but it's a 5 year residency. So it's obviously a longer residency than both IM and Derm by themselves.

2.) Integrated means you're matching directly into that specialty. The alternative would be something like doing a general surgery residency first and then matching into a plastic surgery fellowship. In both scenarios you become a plastic surgeon, but in the first scenario you are doing a residency which prepares you to become a plastic surgeon while the other scenario requires you to complete a general surgery residency first and then apply to plastic surgery fellowship.

3.) Anesthesiology has both categorial and advanced programs. Advanced programs require you to do a prelim year in either internal medicine or general surgery before starting the anesthesia residency program. So you could do your internal medicine year at Ohio state and then do your 3 year anesthesia residency at UCLA. The other option is categorical where you do all 4 years of your anesthesia training at the same place. Example being; you do a 1 year internal medicine residency at ohio state and then a 3 year anesthesia residency at ohio state.

4.) Yes, OMFS are those who have completed both medical school and dental school.

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[wysdoc]

appreciate it boss. some quick followups, all good if no time to respond

1. why would someone do a combined IM-derm? is there career upside or is it just for people who couldn't match direct into derm?

2, derm always requires a prelim/transitional year, righht?

3. Im seeing ta harvard for instance that all the plastics are integrated. si it not a mix because they're just that good that the top spots they get happen to be integrated?

everything else makes sense, thanks 😀

1. No clue
2. Yes for derm you do a transitional year usually internal medicine

 

[LucidSplash]

thanks.

also - do schools typically post the number of students entering the match process and the pre-SOAP match percent, or do they only show post-SOAP percent and the match list (which won't show unmatched)

also it feels like there's a bagillion specialties. is there a standard list floating around? i've been using this site atm (mostly worried about this link that non-ERAS programs don't show up) ERAS 2025 Participating Specialties & Programs

Quick clarification: People who match into IM-derm DO match “directly into derm.” They match into a combined program. Combined programs aren’t back doors into competitive specialties, they are often more competitive than a stand-alone specialty, as there are usually fewer spots across the country in combined program.

Most schools are going to show their final match lists and won’t post details about who matched initially and who SOAPed. For overall competitiveness of most specialties, but not those in the San Francisco Match, you can look up “Charting outcomes in the Match” which is a report that has a lot of statistics on the main Match yearly.

That’s a decent list of specialties, but some are going to be subspecialties that require a separate residency first and can only be done by fellowship. There are a few specialties/fellowships that use the San Francisco March and might not be listed on that ERAS page, you can google the San Francisco Match to find the list of specialties.

 

[LucidSplash]

thanks for the full response. I assume San Francisco March is SF Match? (this site SF Match - Residency and Fellowship Matching Services)

have looked at the charting outcomes a bit but much appreciated that you recommended it.

so the 2 main systems are ERAS and SF match?

Yes and yes.

 

[HuskyMD Emeritus]

appreciate it boss. some quick followups, all good if no time to respond

1. why would someone do a combined IM-derm? is there career upside or is it just for people who couldn't match direct into derm?

2, derm always requires a prelim/transitional year, righht?

3. Im seeing ta harvard for instance that all the plastics are integrated. si it not a mix because they're just that good that the top spots they get happen to be integrated?

everything else makes sense, thanks 😀

Many systemic diseases have dermatologic manifestations. Recognizing these is important in the diagnosis and treatment of such diseases (e.g. Lupus, sarcoidosis, various vasculitides). Treatment of dermatologic conditions can have systemic side effects, especially the biologic agents and steroids. By having an IM background, the dermatologist will be better able to manage these conditions (or at least recognize them). When I was a resident, I knew of some IM resident who was applying to dermatology and another to anesthesiology. They wanted the IM background because they felt it made them better dermatologist / anesthesiologist.

 

[texasvandy]

Many systemic diseases have dermatologic manifestations. Recognizing these is important in the diagnosis and treatment of such diseases (e.g. Lupus, sarcoidosis, various vasculitides). Treatment of dermatologic conditions can have systemic side effects, especially the biologic agents and steroids. By having an IM background, the dermatologist will be better able to manage these conditions (or at least recognize them). When I was a resident, I knew of some IM resident who was applying to dermatology and another to anesthesiology. They wanted the IM background because they felt it made them better dermatologist / anesthesiologist.

There is an IM/Anesthesia program at Stanford - 5 years I think.