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Catalystik said:
If older people in your family would understand it, it's OK to use. If you have specific instances you'd want reviewed, feel free to list them.
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“For example, due to paralysis of the cilliary body resulting in inability to accommodate, a patient’s cycloplegic refraction should not have less strength than a manifest refraction. I would likely bring such a discrepancy to the attention of doctors, potentially altering their course of treatment to the benefit of the patient”.

Im thinking to give such a example in the context of using critical thinking skills in the synthesizing conclusions from patient data to optimize treatment, but worry that it’s too technical sounding.
 
Hzreio said:
“For example, due to paralysis of the cilliary body resulting in inability to accommodate, a patient’s cycloplegic refraction should not have less strength than a manifest refraction. I would likely bring such a discrepancy to the attention of doctors, potentially altering their course of treatment to the benefit of the patient”.

Im thinking to give such a example in the context of using critical thinking skills in the synthesizing conclusions from patient data to optimize treatment, but worry that it’s too technical sounding.
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It's too technical. You'll lose your audience.
 
For one of my research activities, I was involved in interviewing patients for ~1 hour. Does this experience count as clinical since I am close enough to "smell the patients"? At the end of our interview, I was also involved in answering any questions they have regarding their treatment. I was wondering if this experience is clinical or research... thank you in advance!
 
Savannah123 said:
For one of my research activities, I was involved in interviewing patients for ~1 hour. Does this experience count as clinical since I am close enough to "smell the patients"? At the end of our interview, I was also involved in answering any questions they have regarding their treatment. I was wondering if this experience is clinical or research... thank you in advance!
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You don't give enough info for me to judge:
-Were they current patients or participants?
-Did the project benefit them in some way? Did your results go into their patient charts?
-For what percent of the research experience did you interact with the patients/participants?
-Do you have a grasp of the study design: hypothesis, methods, how a conclusion will be arrived at?
-Do you have other active clinical experience?
 
Hi there! I completed 40 hours of peer tutoring as part of a class I took, and I was wondering if it would be misleading to list this under nonclinical volunteering as opposed to teaching/tutoring? Would it be alright if I put it under nonclinical volunteering but disclosed that it was part of a class? I have 200 clinical volunteer hours and 80 nonclinical volunteering hours aside from this, and I feel like my nonclinical is lacking so I would like to include these hours in that category. If it makes any difference, I don't have any other teaching/tutoring activities, but I do have sufficient leadership activities. Thanks!
 
CatsInScrubs said:
I completed 40 hours of peer tutoring as part of a class I took, and
1) I was wondering if it would be misleading to list this under nonclinical volunteering as opposed to teaching/tutoring?
2) Would it be alright if I put it under nonclinical volunteering but disclosed that it was part of a class?

I have 200 clinical volunteer hours and 80 nonclinical volunteering hours aside from this, and I feel like my nonclinical is lacking so I would like to include these hours in that category. If it makes any difference, I don't have any other teaching/tutoring activities, but I do have sufficient leadership activities.
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1) Go ahead and list it as Volunteering. Be sure to include "Peer Tutoring" as part of your activity title, so the teaching element won't be missed.
2) Yes.
 
Thank you for all the help!
Is it frowned upon to only provide a contact email (ie not a phone number as well)? I feel some of my contacts would be more comfortable not providing their numbers if that is okay.
 
sr4b said:
Is it frowned upon to only provide a contact email (ie not a phone number as well)? I feel some of my contacts would be more comfortable not providing their numbers if that is okay.
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You are only required to provide one of the two (despite the asterix). It's fine if you don't give both.
 
shakenramie said:
Should I use "repeated dates" for activities I only did during the school year (i.e. leave summer out and just enter 2nd/3rd start dates for the school year)? If so, is the "total hours" for the original start/end date for just that time period? Or is that the total hours for all dates?
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Either use the Repeated feature (with Total Hours for each of the datespans you enter), or insert Academic Year into the title of the space to indicate vacations aren't included.
 
Is it worth adding 10 years worth of weekly classical piano lessons to work/activities? I took lessons from 3rd grade through the end of college, but continued to play without formal lessons for leisure. I have played in an orchestra multiple times and placed in a state-wide competition. Would appreciate thoughts since it is an activity from before college. Thanks!
 
Washerman said:
Is it worth adding 10 years worth of weekly classical piano lessons to work/activities? I took lessons from 3rd grade through the end of college, but continued to play without formal lessons for leisure. I have played in an orchestra multiple times and placed in a state-wide competition. Would appreciate thoughts since it is an activity from before college. Thanks!
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While you could just include the activity from the college years and thereafter, many would use the Repeated feature to demonstrate a lifelong avocation. Maybe break it into childhood years, HS, college, and post graduation. As it is more of a hobby now, I suggest using that tag rather than Artistic Endeavors (which requires a Contact).
 
shakenramie said:
would it be better to say "Summer Volunteer" [in the title] and list the whole time span in order to list the total number of hours (as opposed to breaking it up into the separate summers and logging less hours separately)? I feel like it'd make more of an impact to see the total number as opposed to the separated hours. Does that actually make a difference though?
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It takes less work than entering multiple time spans. Either way is fine, though.
 
Catalystik said:
You don't give enough info for me to judge:
-Were they current patients or participants?
-Did the project benefit them in some way? Did your results go into their patient charts?
-For what percent of the research experience did you interact with the patients/participants?
-Do you have a grasp of the study design: hypothesis, methods, how a conclusion will be arrived at?
-Do you have other active clinical experience?
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1. They are both current patients and participants!
2. Our study results didn't go into their patient charts; although, they were able to express frustrations regarding their current care
3. I interacted with every single patient who was involved in the study which was about a total of ~30 patients so far (will be more once we are no longer quarantined)
4. I am involved in the study design and will be contributing to the manuscript as a co-author
5. I have other active clinical experience as a hospital volunteer and patient navigation (where I helped patients schedule their future medical appointments) - I was just wondering if it was worth mentioning these qualitative interviews as a clinical experience because I am lacking in this category
 
Savannah123 said:
1. They are both current patients and participants!
2. Our study results didn't go into their patient charts; although, they were able to express frustrations regarding their current care
3. I interacted with every single patient who was involved in the study which was about a total of ~30 patients so far (will be more once we are no longer quarantined)
4. I am involved in the study design and will be contributing to the manuscript as a co-author
5. I have other active clinical experience as a hospital volunteer and patient navigation (where I helped patients schedule their future medical appointments) - I was just wondering if it was worth mentioning these qualitative interviews as a clinical experience because I am lacking in this category
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You can tag it as Clinical Experience or as Research. Not both. How many other active clinical experience hours do you have? Do you have other research to list? Are you a strong candidate for highly-selective, research-focused med schools?
 
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I have been working as a caregiver for a client with cerebral palsy. My duties include feeding him his meals with his medications and supplements, cleaning him up if he soils himself, bathing, assisting with his physical therapy exercises, and socializing with him in and out of his house. I am wondering if this would count as clinical experience or not? I don't think it will make much of a difference in my application if it is or isn't. I have plenty of clinical experience on top of this.
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Some of your duties would be considered an active "clinical" experience like administering medication and guiding physical therapy exercise, but this is a small portion of your job. A great percent of the time, you are caring for a "client," not a patient. I suggest that you list this as Employment-Not Medical/Clinical and let each adcomm decide for themselves to what degree it edges into the clinical realm. It's best not to oversell an activity when many adcomms won't agree with that categorization.
 
Catalystik said:
You can tag it as Clinical Experience or as Research. Not both. How many other active clinical experience hours do you have? Do you have other research to list? Are you a strong candidate for highly-selective, research-focused med schools?
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I have around ~200 clinical hours (without my interviewing duties) and I do have other research to list. I am interested in research-focused med schools, although my GPA is somewhat lacking (3.67) in this regard.

Would it hurt to add this into research (since it was one of my research activities)?
 
Savannah123 said:
I have around ~200 clinical hours (without my interviewing duties) and I do have other research to list. I am interested in research-focused med schools, although my GPA is somewhat lacking (3.67) in this regard.

Would it hurt to add this into research (since it was one of my research activities)?
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I think it would be fine to tag it as Research and to include the word "Clinical" in the title you give the space.
 
HI @Catalystik @gonnif @LizzyM @Goro

I am noticing that some of my friends who applied in the previous cycles (I'll use 06/2017) had a weird way of notating their hours. For example, one activity was included as occurring from 04/2016- 05/2018 and I am sure the hours weren't what they had at the time of applying but rather what they projected into the future. This seems dishonest to me and there are many experienced individuals online propagating that you can just add on the hours as part of your main time range and make the end date as the month before starting medical school.

1. Is this a new way of doing this these days? I ask because for example, I juggled a lot during undergrad and I think I have more hours at the time of applying than the average applicant. However, if they just put the end date as the month before starting medical school and add on hours accordingly then ofc I am at a disadvantage as I just listed my end date as ongoing while listing the hours I had up till that point.

2. For a few activities, that I am still continuing would you recommend I keep the end date as ongoing or would you recommend keeping it as 06/2020 and then another section (projected hours) as from then until med school start date? or maybe just put the end date as next year and just project ( like the above example).

Thanks
 
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kitkatbobat said:
I'm looking for some feedback on how to best categorize this activity.

I am a screener at the front door of a blood donation center. I ask a series of COVID-related questions and take temperature to assess COVID-risk and allow people to enter the donation center (we also accept convalescent plasma donations).

I am leaning towards non-clinical because I don't want adcoms to think I'm trying to pull a fast one!
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I would call this non-clinical. Asking questions like that are similar to questions (and temperature taking ) that was being done at nightclubs in my area before everything closed down... I would not count being a bouncer at a nightclub a clinical position given those circumstances.
 
I think that when we look at applications this year and we see something that ended in Feb/Mar 2020 we will at least start by assuming that it was cut short by COVID-19 restrictions or a move out of the area when schools closed down and sent everyone home.
 
Hopefulpremed123 said:
I am noticing that some of my friends who applied in the previous cycles (I'll use 06/2017) had a weird way of notating their hours. For example, one activity was included as occurring from 04/2016- 05/2018 and I am sure the hours weren't what they had at the time of applying but rather what they projected into the future. This seems dishonest to me and there are many experienced individuals online propagating that you can just add on the hours as part of your main time range and make the end date as the month before starting medical school.

1. Is this a new way of doing this these days? I ask because for example, I juggled a lot during undergrad and I think I have more hours at the time of applying than the average applicant. However, if they just put the end date as the month before starting medical school and add on hours accordingly then ofc I am at a disadvantage as I just listed my end date as ongoing while listing the hours I had up till that point.

2. For a few activities, that I am still continuing would you
a) recommend I keep the end date as ongoing or
b) would you recommend keeping it [the end date] as 06/2020 and then another section (projected hours) as from then until med school start date or
c) maybe just put the end date as next year and just project ( like the above example).
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I recommend 2b) approach, using the Repeated feature. Both date spans, completed and future, will appear at the top of the activity box.
 
shakenramie said:
1) Is there some sort of expectation to distinguish between completed and future hours in the description, if the time frame isn't broken down accordingly?

2) Also, is something like 30 hours in a free clinic worth listing? I have other clinical experience, but this was particularly interesting for me, and it got cut short because of COVID which is why there are so few hours.
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1) It is preferred that you distinguish between completed and future hours.

2) Yes, it's worth listing.
 
Catalystik said:
1) It is preferred that you distinguish between completed and future hours.

2) Yes, it's worth listing.
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Catalystik said:
I recommend 2b) approach, using the Repeated feature. Both date spans, completed and future, will appear at the top of the activity box.
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Thanks @Catalystik !

1.) Do you commonly see people just keeping the end date as the month prior to the start of medical school? If so, I bet you find it very difficult to determine how many hours they actually had when compared to an applicant who kept his end date as the month of applying right?
- How then do you personally differentiate between the two? I'm assuming thats very hard just because the first individual was disingenuous in my view and over inflated his true hours.

2.) Since, we are dealign with COVID- how would you recommend we best project hours for clinical activities (such as a hospice worker)? Should I presume we will be back in business by August or maybe January of next year?
 
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Hopefulpremed123 said:
Thanks @Catalystik !

1.) Do you commonly see people just keeping the end date as the month prior to the start of medical school? If so, I bet you find it very difficult to determine how many hours they actually had when compared to an applicant who kept his end date as the month of applying right?
- How then do you personally differentiate between the two? I'm assuming thats very hard just because the first individual was disingenuous in my view.

2.) Since, we are dealign with COVID- how would you recommend we best project hours for clinical activities (such as a hospice worker)? Should I presume we will be back in business by August or maybe January of next year?
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1) Most commonly, only completed hours are included. Yes, some stretch out the final date and include distant future hours in one block of dates. We have to do some math one way or the other (Repeated feature, or future hours/week in the narrative, or not) to credit the applicant with what hours are likely. Keep in mind that completed hours should match what a Contact can attest to. Transparency is appreciated.

2) As each state's sites' reopening to volunteers is not predictable (and may be long after your application is evaluated), for COVID-related interruptions, I suggest including completed hours only in the header, then including at the end of the narrative box an open-ended comment that you "hope to resume for x hrs/week when the site reopens." Future Secondaries, update letters, or interview conversations may give an opportunity for you to communicate what happened.
 
Thanks for being so responsive to everyone! I volunteer at a shelter, and nurses have set up shop in there to test for covid in the last few months. They do their testing literally 5 feet from where I do my work, and I frequently interact with them, as well as the homeless residents they are screening. Can I count this as clinical volunteering? My own role includes sanitation, working the kitchen, and doing bedding, but I also help connect members of the shelter to the nurses who are in there testing.
 
shakenramie said:
I'm having trouble figuring out how much "reflection" to include - I'm running low on characters, especially on listings where I've combined a few activities (i.e. employment). For things like "retail associate", how much of a job description do I really need?
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You don't need much of a job description for that (which might leave characters for introspection), but if you have responsibility that requires trust, you could mention that.
 
Can I create separate entries on the activities section for a student organization contribution? I had a great leadership role and a good story to tell for it (I want to make it one of the most meaningful experiences). But I also have 70+ non-clinical hours from it due to the optional service events we conducted.

Also I was second-author on manuscript that I gave a podium presentation for at a national medical conference. I just got some news that the manuscript was accepted for publication in a national journal. How would I classify all of this and the research?

ETA: How would I count hours for leadership and research? My research contribution took place over a year and was mainly remote. My leadership is over three years.
 
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senseipotato said:
I volunteer at a shelter, and nurses have set up shop in there to test for covid in the last few months. They do their testing literally 5 feet from where I do my work, and I frequently interact with them, as well as the homeless residents they are screening. Can I count this as clinical volunteering? My own role includes sanitation, working the kitchen, and doing bedding, but I also help connect members of the shelter to the nurses who are in there testing.
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For AMCAS purposes, what makes a volunteer experience "clinical" is interacting with patients. You are working with residents, not patients. You could however say that you have shadowed nurses, if you think that would help your application.
 
14_karat said:
1) Can I create separate entries on the activities section for a student organization contribution? I had a great leadership role and a good story to tell for it (I want to make it one of the most meaningful experiences). But I also have 70+ non-clinical hours from it due to the optional service events we conducted.

2) Also I was second-author on manuscript that I gave a podium presentation for at a national medical conference. I just got some news that the manuscript was accepted for publication in a national journal. How would I classify all of this?
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1) Definitely, yes.

2) Read item 20 in post #2 of this thread for help in how to list this. And, congrats!
 
I have a question about how to categorize one of my experiences. I did a summer internship at a surgical research center. The program was really multi-faceted with a breakdown as follows:
30% shadowing in OR and clinic
30% hands-on workshops in simulation lab
40% chart review to obtain data for a clinical research project
I'm not sure what to classify this as... shadowing? Clinical volunteering? I don't want to categorize it as research since I had no part in study design, I just volunteered to help compile data (plus I am an MD-PhD applicant with thousands of hours of independent research already).
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-There was no clinical volunteering.
-I suggest carving out the hours for shadowing (don't double count them) and listing them with your other clinical observation experience in one Shadowing space, unless you already have enough hours that you don't need them.
-I have no problem with your calling the chart review a volunteer experience, if you need more in the Volunteer/Community Service-Not medical/Clinical category. But the Sim workshops would not fit there. If you want to place those two components together (plus or minus the shadowing), then pick the "Other" category where most Internships belong due to being multifaceted. Your space's title can give a clue to what the slot contains.
 
Hey everyone, I have a quick question about choosing a contact for one of my experiences. I volunteer with a student-run free clinic, but the directors of the clinic have changed every year (and I do not really know any of the directors well). The other students are occasional volunteers, so I see them when I volunteer, but don't really know them well enough to ask if I can put them as contacts for this. What would you all suggest I do for the contacts section of this experience?
 
heels2020 said:
I have a quick question about choosing a contact for one of my experiences. I volunteer with a student-run free clinic, but the directors of the clinic have changed every year (and I do not really know any of the directors well). The other students are occasional volunteers, so I see them when I volunteer, but don't really know them well enough to ask if I can put them as contacts for this. What would you all suggest I do for the contacts section of this experience?
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Your Contact doesn't need to "know" you, as they will not be asked for a reference. You should list someone who knows the rough datespan of volunteering and your hours so they can attest to your involvement. If no one on site can do this, then list an advisor who knows about the activity, or as a last resort, list yourself.
 
Hi!

Is it OK to have 2/3 of my most meaningful activities overlap with what I described in my PS? These are research and clinical volunteering. I focused on very specific stories in my PS, but for my MM essays I focused on other aspects of what I learned.
 
SleepingPillow said:
Is it OK to have 2/3 of my most meaningful activities overlap with what I described in my PS? These are research and clinical volunteering. I focused on very specific stories in my PS, but for my MM essays I focused on other aspects of what I learned.
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Yes. You don't know which med schools will give screeners access to the entire application vs pieces of it. So the Activities section and the PS need to each stand on its own. It's good to give alternative anecdotes and use a different focus for each section for the sake of those who can see both portions.
 
Thank you so much for your responses and help thus far!

I was also wondering -- I was previously a summer intern (as a research assistant) at my current lab (I'm now a full-time research coordinator after graduating in May 2019) -- do you advise creating 2 slots (one for the summer internship and one for my current employment)?

Or do you advise lumping them together into 1 research activity (since my research activities are primarily the same)?

Thank you again!
 
GameOfZones said:
How would you suggest that I group and categorize the following 3 activities? Right now I have them as 3 separate entries, but i just struggle with the idea of grouping them together because of how different they are and my takeaways from each makes it tough to fit all in 700 characters:

- HOBBIES: outdoorsy activities like backpacking, surfing, hiking, etc (+ how these activities have helped me destress and enjoy life outside of typical premed stuff)
- ARTISTIC ENDEAVOR: playing violin from middle school to today, although mostly for enjoyment nowadays while i did concerts and stuff back when i was younger (+ the lessons and takeaways I have from this experience)
- EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITY/ARTISTIC ENDEAVOR/OTHER: starting a public personal blog where i publish my thoughts, analysis, commentary on activity in various soccer leagues around the world (+ how i enjoy putting my work out there for others to read and maybe even learn from). the blog has around 35 followers currently.
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If you want to leave them in three separate spaces, that's fine. The third could possibly go under a Teaching tag, or one of the other options you mentioned. If you are short on spaces, though, that is the one I'd cut.
 
Savannah123 said:
I was previously a summer intern (as a research assistant) at my current lab (I'm now a full-time research coordinator after graduating in May 2019) -- do you advise creating 2 slots (one for the summer internship and one for my current employment)?

Or do you advise lumping them together into 1 research activity (since my research activities are primarily the same)?
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Group them together.
 
GameOfZones said:
Thanks. Spaces are not an issue, and actually something else I wanted to ask about. With these 3 constituting separate spaces, I have 12 entries total. I also have 3 separate entries between Research, Pubs, and Posters/Presentations. I don’t want to make it seem like I’m spreading my activities out across too many spaces, but also don’t want to condense too much and be left with too few entries either. Am I being overly neurotic/anxious about spreading them out too much?
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The average used by applicants is 9-10 spaces, so 12 entries is fine if you haven't "fluffed" them up too much.

You might review item #20 in post 2 of this thread, in case your posters and pubs qualify for grouping.
 
Instead of creating a separate presentations / publications section, can I add my presentations to my individual research activities? For example, if I did:

Research Experience #1
- Description
- Poster Publication

Research Experience #2
- Description
- Poster Publication
- Research Award

Research Experience #3
- Description
- Publication
 
zeddd78893 said:
Instead of creating a separate presentations / publications section, can I add my presentations to my individual research activities? For example, if I did:

Research Experience #1
- Description
- Poster Publication

Research Experience #2
- Description
- Poster Publication
- Research Award

Research Experience #3
- Description
- Publication
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I see no problem with adding your Posters/Presentations to the affiliated Research space, or even a pub in a local journal, but if you have a peer-reviewed publication with PMID# in a national journal, it deserves to be in its own space under a Publications tab. Unless your contribution was very minor, or you really can't speak to ALL the details of hypothesis, methods, conclusions if grilled at an interview, or you want to de-emphasize your research interests due to targeting primary-care or service-focused med schools. Or you're out of spaces.
 
GameOfZones said:
Yeah I probably should have read that first. Answered some of my questions for sure. For example I have manuscripts that are being prepared for submission, but not an actual pub yet.

#20 has one part where it says i can consider including a manuscript if “productivity is proven”, does that mean if the manuscript has a section for how each author contributed? Our manuscripts have this portion, and I know that the titles and my contributions to the manuscripts are included in my PI’s rec letter. Is it more acceptable to include them in this instance?
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"Proven productivity" means that you have other publications already and have thus established a pattern of getting your papers accepted.

If your PI has included your contributions in his LOR, there is doubly no reason for you to mention them. And if you get your manuscripts accepted, you'll have something new to say in Secondaries or in update letters (where allowed).
 
I'm applying this cycle and had originally planned to get the bulk of my shadowing done after taking my MCAT in March. Obviously with quarantine restrictions, that has not been possible, which I understand is a drop in the bucket compared to the issues other people are facing at this time. But I'm honestly stressed that at the moment I only have ~25 shadowing hours and I'm a nontrad too. I do have 160+ hours of clinical volunteering, and I plan to jump on finding any shadowing opportunities as soon as quarantine is over.

Is this going to be a nonstarter for my application/is there anything I can do to fix it? Also, should I not list any "future" shadowing hours?
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As a nontrad you may well have a compelling application that will overshadow the minimal shadowing. As you do have 25 hours, you are in a far better position than many who waited until the last months to acquire this experience. Just don't apply to schools that state a minimum expectation higher than you've already acquired.

If you have scheduled the time and have a Contact to list, you could include the future hours in your narrative description.
 
I volunteered in the same hospital over three years in four placements; I feel it's fitting to group all of them into one activity, but I I can't seem to fit the duration for each placement + description for each one all into 700 characters. Would it be alright to break it up into two entries?
 
Flying Penguin said:
I volunteered in the same hospital over three years in four placements; I feel it's fitting to group all of them into one activity, but I I can't seem to fit the duration for each placement + description for each one all into 700 characters. Would it be alright to break it up into two entries?
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That's fine, or you can omit the subdates and make your comments more general to fit the space.
 
Thank you! Another question, would it be ok to use bullet points for all the entries, but use paragraph format for the additional remarks for "most meaningful" experiences?
 
If I was in organizations and then later joined a leadership position, should I mention the leadership position in the same entry as the organization overall or should I separately enter it as leadership? I find it difficult to include both my duties as a leader in the org and my duties as a general volunteer.

For example, for one of my orgs, mentorship is a large aspect, as well as our fundraising goals to sponsor two children in an orphanage in China. But my role as a leader in the organization include other completely different things. I also held three different positions in my four years in this organization, so how should I list this?

More specifically, I'll give some more details: College students in my org act as mentors to local international adoptees and you hold the same "little buddy" all four years of your undergrad career (or for however long you are in the club). So our official "purpose" is: "to foster lasting relationships among Chinese American and other transracial/transcultural international and domestic adoptee mentees and their families with UCLA student mentors, among our student volunteers, and between our members and the community through mentorship, community outreach, and fundraising." We also use fundraising to sponsor two orphans at an orphanage in China. I joined this org my Freshman year, and I became a director my second year. I was first a teens director (organized the buddy mentorship events for the mentees in the teenage age group), then became a retreat director (organized both the general body retreat for big buddies and the staff retreat for the upcoming year's board as a training period), and next year I will be the finance director (self-explanatory). But as I've been on staff, I've still remained a big buddy, and this has been a large component of my involvement in the org, but so has my position(s) as a director. How do I efficiently list all of these aspects in my application?
 
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