*Official June 2016 MCAT Thread*

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Hey there everyone! Figured I'd start this thread since I recently started preparing for the June 18th MCAT. For those of you who are taking the June 2nd MCAT, June 18th MCAT, or still considering one of those two dates, feel free to post here with any questions, comments, concerns, or support you have to offer!

Good luck to you all! Let's crush it.
 
Hey guys I've got a couple of questions.. If we took classes at other colleges besides our home institution, do we have to send in our transcripts from there too? My primary transcript has all the classes I've taken elsewhere but I was wondering if I need to send in transcripts from those other colleges as well... I don't even remember my logins for half of them haha. And I'm not sure how long it'll take each of them to send it?
 
Hey guys I've got a couple of questions.. If we took classes at other colleges besides our home institution, do we have to send in our transcripts from there too? My primary transcript has all the classes I've taken elsewhere but I was wondering if I need to send in transcripts from those other colleges as well... I don't even remember my logins for half of them haha. And I'm not sure how long it'll take each of them to send it?

Yes, you have to. If you took any college courses in high school, you also have to send a transcript for those courses at well. AMCAS only takes official transcripts from the colleges where you took the courses.
 
The first few weeks of waiting for our scores was fine for me. Rarely thought about it and was enjoying not studying 8-10 hours a day for it. The last few days it's started to become all I can think about. I think AAMC likes to torture us by not releasing it earlier. It would have been nice if they released them July 1 right before the holiday as opposed to waiting until after. Oh well, nothing we can do about it I suppose
 
So they just let the scores sit? Or do they alter them in some way? How do people leave the exam feeling like crap but end up with incredible scores?
 
The first few weeks of waiting for our scores was fine for me. Rarely thought about it and was enjoying not studying 8-10 hours a day for it. The last few days it's started to become all I can think about. I think AAMC likes to torture us by not releasing it earlier. It would have been nice if they released them July 1 right before the holiday as opposed to waiting until after. Oh well, nothing we can do about it I suppose
Right?! I have an excuse to drink copious amounts of alcohol to deal with my results if they were released before Independence Day. But July 19th? I have no excuse. Thanks AAMC.
 
So they just let the scores sit? Or do they alter them in some way? How do people leave the exam feeling like crap but end up with incredible scores?

I think their reasoning is something along the lines of fully investigating any possibilities of cheating. But I think that's a lot of BS. I have no clue why they take so long because all of the scales are pre-set from previous test takers I believe.

And I think people that do really well after thinking they did really bad are just really smart people that over-think about the 3-5questions they feel like they got wrong. Or just really smart people that hate the feeling of guessing and not knowing every single fact of information that was tested on their exam so they feel horrible post exam when they probably did x10 better than everyone else that feels like they got f***ed by the exam


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I think their reasoning is something along the lines of fully investigating any possibilities of cheating. But I think that's a lot of BS. I have no clue why they take so long because all of the scales are pre-set from previous test takers I believe.

And I think people that do really well after thinking they did really bad are just really smart people that over-think about the 3-5questions they feel like they got wrong. Or just really smart people that hate the feeling of guessing and not knowing every single fact of information that was tested on their exam so they feel horrible post exam when they probably did x10 better than everyone else that feels like they got f***ed by the exam

I looked up a lot of the things that I got wrong, and my best guess is I missed at least 5 on C/P, who knows on CARS, at least 4 on B/B, and at least 7 on P/S. Plus probably at least 5 others that I thought I got right but actually missed in each section, this has me feeling pretty bad. :/ I still can't get over how it felt like a completely different test. The AAMC scored FL felt easy to me, and even then section banks felt easier than the real thing. The discretes that I got, including 2 really ridiculous anatomy questions, another whole passage assuming we'd know the name of a compound that I had zero clue on (and the name didn't give any hints to the structure), and a ton of physics on the C/P left me feeling like absolute ****. I don't even want to get into PS which was more like a second CARS section and had literally no data to analyze or information to go off of in the passage. I don't get how the test could be so different than the practice materials out there. i'm just subtracting 2 points from each section from the AAMC scored and assuming that'll be my score at this point and accepting it.
 
Again, I woke up, unlocked my phone, logged into my email, and solved M prep daily question and nextstep...

Why... Why... Why!!!!!!!

At this point, I just gave up on CARS.. I hope I got high enough score to not having to retake.

I don't even remember a single question from MCAT anymore hahaha;;;;
 
Its been a bit over a week, and I dont know if I could ever get back into that mode I was in. That feels like such a different version of me, constantly thinking about the test and obsessing over every detail. Its crazy how much prep went into it. I hope I do decently to not do it over again.
 
I looked up a lot of the things that I got wrong, and my best guess is I missed at least 5 on C/P, who knows on CARS, at least 4 on B/B, and at least 7 on P/S. Plus probably at least 5 others that I thought I got right but actually missed in each section, this has me feeling pretty bad. :/ I still can't get over how it felt like a completely different test. The AAMC scored FL felt easy to me, and even then section banks felt easier than the real thing. The discretes that I got, including 2 really ridiculous anatomy questions, another whole passage assuming we'd know the name of a compound that I had zero clue on (and the name didn't give any hints to the structure), and a ton of physics on the C/P left me feeling like absolute ****. I don't even want to get into PS which was more like a second CARS section and had literally no data to analyze or information to go off of in the passage. I don't get how the test could be so different than the practice materials out there. i'm just subtracting 2 points from each section from the AAMC scored and assuming that'll be my score at this point and accepting it.

I would give anything to feel how you're feeling haha. I marked FIFTEEN questions on C/P and 10 on B/B. If you only felt you missed 5 for sure, that's a 130+ score right there for C/P and B/B.
 
I would give anything to feel how you're feeling haha. I marked FIFTEEN questions on C/P and 10 on B/B. If you only felt you missed 5 for sure, that's a 130+ score right there for C/P and B/B.
I marked 15 as well, but I also mark extremely liberally haha. I marked 25 on the scored FL and missed 10. I'm sure I missed more than 5, I just know of 5 that i missed. :/
 
I marked 15 as well, but I also mark extremely liberally haha. I marked 25 on the scored FL and missed 10. I'm sure I missed more than 5, I just know of 5 that i missed. :/

I agree with you that the test had absolutely nothing to do with the scored or even the section banks. The way they asked questions and the type of questions...people have messaged me asking how they should study and I honestly tell them I have no clue. The SB and scored/unscored were just nothing like the real exam. From what I've read- the AAMC are trying to make the MCAT more difficult- akin to what we saw on some passages on our test. I don't understand why, but I think they're trying to reduce the number of decent scores. What purpose that serves, I have no idea, except to make it very hard for pre-meds to get into med school.
 
I agree with you that the test had absolutely nothing to do with the scored or even the section banks. The way they asked questions and the type of questions...people have messaged me asking how they should study and I honestly tell them I have no clue. The SB and scored/unscored were just nothing like the real exam. From what I've read- the AAMC are trying to make the MCAT more difficult- akin to what we saw on some passages on our test. I don't understand why, but I think they're trying to reduce the number of decent scores. What purpose that serves, I have no idea, except to make it very hard for pre-meds to get into med school.
I agree. I literally have no clue what I would study for a retake... I felt fairly confident going in. The questions and the wording felt completely foreign to me. I just can't get over some of the discrete questions- there's no way I could prepare for it. Low yield stuff was very prominent in every section of the exam. Even the high yield stuff was asked in a way that made me second guess myself because several answers were so close.
 
I looked up a lot of the things that I got wrong, and my best guess is I missed at least 5 on C/P, who knows on CARS, at least 4 on B/B, and at least 7 on P/S. Plus probably at least 5 others that I thought I got right but actually missed in each section, this has me feeling pretty bad. :/ I still can't get over how it felt like a completely different test. The AAMC scored FL felt easy to me, and even then section banks felt easier than the real thing. The discretes that I got, including 2 really ridiculous anatomy questions, another whole passage assuming we'd know the name of a compound that I had zero clue on (and the name didn't give any hints to the structure), and a ton of physics on the C/P left me feeling like absolute ****. I don't even want to get into PS which was more like a second CARS section and had literally no data to analyze or information to go off of in the passage. I don't get how the test could be so different than the practice materials out there. i'm just subtracting 2 points from each section from the AAMC scored and assuming that'll be my score at this point and accepting it.

I feel the same exact way about the test, it honestly didn't seem like the scored or the Unscored FL. Like what's the point of releasing those exams if they're not even representative of the difficulty. My B/B felt wayyyyyyy harder than the section bank and I felt completely blindsided by it. But hey based on your estimates I think you did really good!!! I'm not sure what the scale will look like but I think you'll end up with a killer score!


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I agree with you that the test had absolutely nothing to do with the scored or even the section banks. The way they asked questions and the type of questions...people have messaged me asking how they should study and I honestly tell them I have no clue. The SB and scored/unscored were just nothing like the real exam. From what I've read- the AAMC are trying to make the MCAT more difficult- akin to what we saw on some passages on our test. I don't understand why, but I think they're trying to reduce the number of decent scores. What purpose that serves, I have no idea, except to make it very hard for pre-meds to get into med school.

Their algorithm for scoring exams is bananas. There's definitely a reason they don't tell you the # correct.

I feel the same exact way about the test, it honestly didn't seem like the scored or the Unscored FL. Like what's the point of releasing those exams if they're not even representative of the difficulty. My B/B felt wayyyyyyy harder than the section bank and I felt completely blindsided by it. But hey based on your estimates I think you did really good!!! I'm not sure what the scale will look like but I think you'll end up with a killer score!


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**** really? This B/B SB is absolutely ridiculous. I'm doing it untimed and I still have trouble interpreting some of the stuff.
 
Their algorithm for scoring exams is bananas. There's definitely a reason they don't tell you the # correct.



**** really? This B/B SB is absolutely ridiculous. I'm doing it untimed and I still have trouble interpreting some of the stuff.

Haha just prepare for the worst but expect the best. Some people had easy B/B but hard C/P, it all varies!


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Haha just prepare for the worst but expect the best. Some people had easy B/B but hard C/P, it all varies!


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Did anyone have a hard C/P but okay (not easy) B/B? Or was it super easy and I'm going to get screwed in the scoring haha
 
Their algorithm for scoring exams is bananas. There's definitely a reason they don't tell you the # correct.



**** really? This B/B SB is absolutely ridiculous. I'm doing it untimed and I still have trouble interpreting some of the stuff.
Both CP and BB felt like the difficulty was at the level of the section bank or harder on my test. CARS was very difficult, PS was just weird and nothing like anything I've seen. 🙁
 
I feel the same exact way about the test, it honestly didn't seem like the scored or the Unscored FL. Like what's the point of releasing those exams if they're not even representative of the difficulty. My B/B felt wayyyyyyy harder than the section bank and I felt completely blindsided by it. But hey based on your estimates I think you did really good!!! I'm not sure what the scale will look like but I think you'll end up with a killer score!


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Thanks, but I blacked out on a lot of the test so those are just questions that I thought about for long enough for them to resist being repressed. I'm not expecting a great score lol. Totally agree, I hate that none of the practice materials were representative. Section banks felt close, but I had more weird stuff on the real thing than I saw on the section banks.
 
Did anyone have a hard C/P but okay (not easy) B/B? Or was it super easy and I'm going to get screwed in the scoring haha

Haha I'm not quite sure since I don't know if people had different tests or just interpreted it differently, I think it's gotta be close to impossible to make a B/B section super easy so yeah they're probably more like moderate difficulty and just feel easier compared to other sections or practice tests.


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Did anyone have a hard C/P but okay (not easy) B/B? Or was it super easy and I'm going to get screwed in the scoring haha
My BB felt easier than the other sections but I still thought there were a lot of hard questions. Just not as many as the other sections haha. Plus BB is my strength so I always feel best about it just because I'm more familiar with the subjects than CP or PS.
 
Thanks, but I blacked out on a lot of the test so those are just questions that I thought about for long enough for them to resist being repressed. I'm not expecting a great score lol. Totally agree, I hate that none of the practice materials were representative. Section banks felt close, but I had more weird stuff on the real thing than I saw on the section banks.

If I had to suggest high yield stuff to future test takers after taking my exam I'd say "Take every single one of those low yield concepts that you'd never expect to get tested on, put them in a pile, and label them high yield"


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My BB felt easier than the other sections but I still thought there were a lot of hard questions. Just not as many as the other sections haha. Plus BB is my strength so I always feel best about it just because I'm more familiar with the subjects than CP or PS.

I always find CARS and P/S to be my easiest subjects, so I may have just compared B/B to them and was like- well that was harder. But then compared B/B to C/P and was like "Wow so easy" and wound up thinking it was okay. There were def some questions I wasn't sure about, but it wasn't like C/P where I guessed on some because I had no idea.
 
If I had to suggest high yield stuff to future test takers after taking my exam I'd say "Take every single one of those low yield concepts that you'd never expect to get tested on, put them in a pile, and label them high yield"


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Basically read a bunch of textbooks and memorize each line and you may get a 127 on a section haha.
 
If I had to suggest high yield stuff to future test takers after taking my exam I'd say "Take every single one of those low yield concepts that you'd never expect to get tested on, put them in a pile, and label them high yield"


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Well good thing I just learned how many daltons an amino acid weighs... Thanks B/B SB.
 
If I had to suggest high yield stuff to future test takers after taking my exam I'd say "Take every single one of those low yield concepts that you'd never expect to get tested on, put them in a pile, and label them high yield"


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Basically read a bunch of textbooks and memorize each line and you may get a 127 on a section haha.
Seriously tho...
 
Anyone else feel like right now is the worst time to be testing?

The test has been out long enough so AAMC knows what's been easy for students and they've eliminated and/or changed that material.

P/S seems to be changing from memorization to experimental/abstract based content.

We still only have 2 FL tests, so it's hard to tell how you're really doing. Next one doesn't come out until Fall.

Biochemistry is losing emphasis as more tests come out -- For instance, the first people who took it in 2015 were raving about needing to know amino acids, now you hardly even see them mentioned despite them being all over the practice materials. Basic biochemistry seemed like it was something to focus on -- now it seems like exams are asking much more specific questions e.g glycolytic or krebs intermediates/enzymes.

I'm just under one week out and I really have no idea what to even sure up on for the last week. I guess I'll keep going through AAMC stuff over and over while finishing up EK exams and the scored.
 
I agree with you that the test had absolutely nothing to do with the scored or even the section banks. The way they asked questions and the type of questions...people have messaged me asking how they should study and I honestly tell them I have no clue. The SB and scored/unscored were just nothing like the real exam. From what I've read- the AAMC are trying to make the MCAT more difficult- akin to what we saw on some passages on our test. I don't understand why, but I think they're trying to reduce the number of decent scores. What purpose that serves, I have no idea, except to make it very hard for pre-meds to get into med school.
Don't worry! From about the 50000 applicants who apply each year AAMC will select 19000 to fill all the available seats, no matter what.
 
Anyone else feel like right now is the worst time to be testing?

The test has been out long enough so AAMC knows what's been easy for students and they've eliminated and/or changed that material.

P/S seems to be changing from memorization to experimental/abstract based content.

We still only have 2 FL tests, so it's hard to tell how you're really doing. Next one doesn't come out until Fall.

Biochemistry is losing emphasis as more tests come out -- For instance, the first people who took it in 2015 were raving about needing to know amino acids, now you hardly even see them mentioned despite them being all over the practice materials. Basic biochemistry seemed like it was something to focus on -- now it seems like exams are asking much more specific questions e.g glycolytic or krebs intermediates/enzymes.

I'm just under one week out and I really have no idea what to even sure up on for the last week. I guess I'll keep going through AAMC stuff over and over while finishing up EK exams and the scored.

I totally agree. The test is certainly evolving, theres been so many different variations on what was emphasized. While we did need to know AAs here and there, these test dates never really got into the nitty gritty of AAs. It was more like... broader details. And I think thats where the difference is: the practice tests were early in the cycle, which is why they seemed easier than our test.

My hypothesis is that theyre turning it into more of an intuitive test. Can you reason the answer? You know nothing about this subject, can you figure it out? While that's helpful, it gives almost less of an importance to content review. I dont know, maybe Im talking out of my ass, but I took the old one. There was never a "difficult" section; the more stuff you knew, the better you did. On this one, the better you could reason/guess, the better your score.
 
I totally agree. The test is certainly evolving, theres been so many different variations on what was emphasized. While we did need to know AAs here and there, these test dates never really got into the nitty gritty of AAs. It was more like... broader details. And I think thats where the difference is: the practice tests were early in the cycle, which is why they seemed easier than our test.

My hypothesis is that theyre turning it into more of an intuitive test. Can you reason the answer? You know nothing about this subject, can you figure it out? While that's helpful, it gives almost less of an importance to content review. I dont know, maybe Im talking out of my ass, but I took the old one. There was never a "difficult" section; the more stuff you knew, the better you did. On this one, the better you could reason/guess, the better your score.

This is pretty depressing tbh…reasoning/guessing seems more like an innate talent than an acquired one. Not very reassuring news for the many non-genius IQs out there 🙁 did you take the new one as well? If so, did you do better on it than the old?
 
I've read that they expect next year will be even harder. No wonder the real exam looked nothing like the practice exams- since the practice exams were written when the test was easier than it is now. It's depressing because I studied for 4-5 months and got a 509 2 weeks before, which is like a 31 approx. I think some people like me can't score super high scores because this test is more deductive based than it is content. And for the record- the practice exam was way easier, so i'm honestly worried I will get much lower on the real exam.
 
The million dollar question is this: if they make the tests harder, will they also make the curve more lenient or are they gonna keep the same scale?
 
In light of thinking AAMC is attempting to do good: I think they're just trying to make it so it can't be gamed. They want everyone to be on an even playing field, and that means buying X amount of studying materials and memorizing line won't put person A at an incredible advantage over person B who can barely afford to take the exam.

This theory doesn't hold quite true due to the fact that the test(at least the one I took) tested minute details and a broad spectrum over incredibly detail-y questions that sometimes had to come from background knowledge.

This theory holds true when you look at how well you need to be able to pick apart and holistically examine the passage in its entirety to answer a specific question. Ie those crazy mumbo jumbo questions that's seem to be asking you something in gibberish.

Now my pessimistic theory: The AAMC wants to ruin all of our hopes and dreams and thinks that only people that can memorize the entirety of a library can become doctors. And they hold an elitist view on only select geniuses with IQs of 180+ be doctors as well.

I mean obviously not enough of us pre-meds are getting weeded out by the undergrad weeder courses (think of how many people you came into freshman year that said they were pre-med and now how many still are lol). The AAMC has to step in and make sure only 50% of the people that make it this far (to take the MCAT) have a score technically eligible for acceptance at most schools. But only 25% of us are allowed to have a score that could be looked at favorably by (most MD) schools(75th percentile around 30/508 right?). And I'm pretty sure the old 30 is now a 32/510 to be competitive. So what's that like 82nd percentile, so only 18percent of people that get through all of the pre med weeder courses stay on track for med school for that long and sign up for the MCAT will come out with a desirable score(for most MD). Then after the AAMC takes us out, it's up to med schools to have those 3% acceptance rates to kick the rest of us down


(I understand that these measures and percentages are acceptable and understandable because they represent people that have proven their ability to succeed in med school and what not. I also understand why med schools have low acceptance rates and all that, I'm just being dramatic lol. I just find it crazy how much just the PRE-med portion of becoming a doctor weeds people out. )


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In light of thinking AAMC is attempting to do good: I think they're just trying to make it so it can't be gamed. They want everyone to be on an even playing field, and that means buying X amount of studying materials and memorizing line won't put person A at an incredible advantage over person B who can barely afford to take the exam.

This theory doesn't hold quite true due to the fact that the test(at least the one I took) tested minute details and a broad spectrum over incredibly detail-y questions that sometimes had to come from background knowledge.

This theory holds true when you look at how well you need to be able to pick apart and holistically examine the passage in its entirety to answer a specific question. Ie those crazy mumbo jumbo questions that's seem to be asking you something in gibberish.

Now my pessimistic theory: The AAMC wants to ruin all of our hopes and dreams and thinks that only people that can memorize the entirety of a library can become doctors. And they hold an elitist view on only select geniuses with IQs of 180+ be doctors as well.

I mean obviously not enough of us pre-meds are getting weeded out by the undergrad weeder courses (think of how many people you came into freshman year that said they were pre-med and now how many still are lol). The AAMC has to step in and make sure only 50% of the people that make it this far (to take the MCAT) have a score technically eligible for acceptance at most schools. But only 25% of us are allowed to have a score that could be looked at favorably by (most MD) schools(75th percentile around 30/508 right?). And I'm pretty sure the old 30 is now a 32/510 to be competitive. So what's that like 82nd percentile, so only 18percent of people that get through all of the pre med weeder courses stay on track for med school for that long and sign up for the MCAT will come out with a desirable score(for most MD). Then after the AAMC takes us out, it's up to med schools to have those 3% acceptance rates to kick the rest of us down


(I understand that these measures and percentages are acceptable and understandable because they represent people that have proven their ability to succeed in med school and what not. I also understand why med schools have low acceptance rates and all that, I'm just being dramatic lol. I just find it crazy how much just the PRE-med portion of becoming a doctor weeds people out. )


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I could NOT agree more with everything you just said. :claps:

For those who were asking earlier, I thought my P/S was easy, my CARS was fine (except for one passage I felt pretty good about the whole thing), B/B was challenging but fine (I think I marked like 9, but two questions I didn't mark I looked up and got wrong, so who knows. Ugh) and C/P I had marked a bunch, don't even remember the number exactly. Something tells me that missing like 15 on C/P and B/B would still give you a 127-128.
 
In light of thinking AAMC is attempting to do good: I think they're just trying to make it so it can't be gamed. They want everyone to be on an even playing field, and that means buying X amount of studying materials and memorizing line won't put person A at an incredible advantage over person B who can barely afford to take the exam.

This theory doesn't hold quite true due to the fact that the test(at least the one I took) tested minute details and a broad spectrum over incredibly detail-y questions that sometimes had to come from background knowledge.

This theory holds true when you look at how well you need to be able to pick apart and holistically examine the passage in its entirety to answer a specific question. Ie those crazy mumbo jumbo questions that's seem to be asking you something in gibberish.

Now my pessimistic theory: The AAMC wants to ruin all of our hopes and dreams and thinks that only people that can memorize the entirety of a library can become doctors. And they hold an elitist view on only select geniuses with IQs of 180+ be doctors as well.

I mean obviously not enough of us pre-meds are getting weeded out by the undergrad weeder courses (think of how many people you came into freshman year that said they were pre-med and now how many still are lol). The AAMC has to step in and make sure only 50% of the people that make it this far (to take the MCAT) have a score technically eligible for acceptance at most schools. But only 25% of us are allowed to have a score that could be looked at favorably by (most MD) schools(75th percentile around 30/508 right?). And I'm pretty sure the old 30 is now a 32/510 to be competitive. So what's that like 82nd percentile, so only 18percent of people that get through all of the pre med weeder courses stay on track for med school for that long and sign up for the MCAT will come out with a desirable score(for most MD). Then after the AAMC takes us out, it's up to med schools to have those 3% acceptance rates to kick the rest of us down


(I understand that these measures and percentages are acceptable and understandable because they represent people that have proven their ability to succeed in med school and what not. I also understand why med schools have low acceptance rates and all that, I'm just being dramatic lol. I just find it crazy how much just the PRE-med portion of becoming a doctor weeds people out. )


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The thing is, DO tends to have lower GPAs and lower MCATs, and they are just as good doctors as MDs. Doesn't that show that high gpa/high MCAT are not needed. I understand that there is correlation between MCAT and STEP scores. But the osteopathic schools that accept around 25 have created fantastic physicians.
And yes I agree- my MCAT was the most low yield stuff I could imagine. I'm thinking about a retake- but in the end I don't know how I would study. If anyone has any advice. I'm only applying to 1 DO school this cycle, but the one in TX has an average of 30 I believe.
 
In light of thinking AAMC is attempting to do good: I think they're just trying to make it so it can't be gamed. They want everyone to be on an even playing field, and that means buying X amount of studying materials and memorizing line won't put person A at an incredible advantage over person B who can barely afford to take the exam.

This theory doesn't hold quite true due to the fact that the test(at least the one I took) tested minute details and a broad spectrum over incredibly detail-y questions that sometimes had to come from background knowledge.

This theory holds true when you look at how well you need to be able to pick apart and holistically examine the passage in its entirety to answer a specific question. Ie those crazy mumbo jumbo questions that's seem to be asking you something in gibberish.

Now my pessimistic theory: The AAMC wants to ruin all of our hopes and dreams and thinks that only people that can memorize the entirety of a library can become doctors. And they hold an elitist view on only select geniuses with IQs of 180+ be doctors as well.

I mean obviously not enough of us pre-meds are getting weeded out by the undergrad weeder courses (think of how many people you came into freshman year that said they were pre-med and now how many still are lol). The AAMC has to step in and make sure only 50% of the people that make it this far (to take the MCAT) have a score technically eligible for acceptance at most schools. But only 25% of us are allowed to have a score that could be looked at favorably by (most MD) schools(75th percentile around 30/508 right?). And I'm pretty sure the old 30 is now a 32/510 to be competitive. So what's that like 82nd percentile, so only 18percent of people that get through all of the pre med weeder courses stay on track for med school for that long and sign up for the MCAT will come out with a desirable score(for most MD). Then after the AAMC takes us out, it's up to med schools to have those 3% acceptance rates to kick the rest of us down


(I understand that these measures and percentages are acceptable and understandable because they represent people that have proven their ability to succeed in med school and what not. I also understand why med schools have low acceptance rates and all that, I'm just being dramatic lol. I just find it crazy how much just the PRE-med portion of becoming a doctor weeds people out. )


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I've come to the conclusion that the AAMC is a business, and like every business, they want to maximize profit. Whether that corresponds to test difficulty, I'm not sure. But, one could make a reasonable argument that it does.
 
The thing is, DO tends to have lower GPAs and lower MCATs, and they are just as good doctors as MDs. Doesn't that show that high gpa/high MCAT are not needed. I understand that there is correlation between MCAT and STEP scores. But the osteopathic schools that accept around 25 have created fantastic physicians.
And yes I agree- my MCAT was the most low yield stuff I could imagine. I'm thinking about a retake- but in the end I don't know how I would study. If anyone has any advice. I'm only applying to 1 DO school this cycle, but the one in TX has an average of 30 I believe.

TCOM def doesn't have an average of 30, their rep said like 27-28


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I've read that they expect next year will be even harder. No wonder the real exam looked nothing like the practice exams- since the practice exams were written when the test was easier than it is now. It's depressing because I studied for 4-5 months and got a 509 2 weeks before, which is like a 31 approx. I think some people like me can't score super high scores because this test is more deductive based than it is content. And for the record- the practice exam was way easier, so i'm honestly worried I will get much lower on the real exam.

Yeah. I think the practice exam was much easier as well. I could tell how I felt on each section in the practice. On the real deal it was much harder to approximate


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The thing is, DO tends to have lower GPAs and lower MCATs, and they are just as good doctors as MDs. Doesn't that show that high gpa/high MCAT are not needed. I understand that there is correlation between MCAT and STEP scores. But the osteopathic schools that accept around 25 have created fantastic physicians.
And yes I agree- my MCAT was the most low yield stuff I could imagine. I'm thinking about a retake- but in the end I don't know how I would study. If anyone has any advice. I'm only applying to 1 DO school this cycle, but the one in TX has an average of 30 I believe.

I completely agree! I have no doubt that you don't need to be an MCAT master to be a great physician. Heck you don't even need to be a Step/COMLEX master, what makes a quality physician and what makes a good standardized test taker aren't fully(or anywhere near fully) overlapping qualities. There's sooooooooo much more to being a doctor than being able to take a test! Sadly it is still a huge part of the process :/ haha as future med students and future physicians we have a lifetime of standardized tests to look forward to. Even when we graduate residency we have to take certification tests every 10 years as practicing physicians, the fun never ends!


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Anyone have any idea how many right might equal a 125 on PS? Pretty sad that after getting a 129 on the scored I don't even have confidence in getting a 125 on it. Remembered another question I got wrong today.
 
Anyone have any idea how many right might equal a 125 on PS? Pretty sad that after getting a 129 on the scored I don't even have confidence in getting a 125 on it. Remembered another question I got wrong today.

Idk, but I do remember that when I took my first practice test I got half the questions in PS wrong and still scored a 124, so it wasn't the end of the world. Scales always change
 
In light of thinking AAMC is attempting to do good: I think they're just trying to make it so it can't be gamed. They want everyone to be on an even playing field, and that means buying X amount of studying materials and memorizing line won't put person A at an incredible advantage over person B who can barely afford to take the exam.

This theory doesn't hold quite true due to the fact that the test(at least the one I took) tested minute details and a broad spectrum over incredibly detail-y questions that sometimes had to come from background knowledge.

This theory holds true when you look at how well you need to be able to pick apart and holistically examine the passage in its entirety to answer a specific question. Ie those crazy mumbo jumbo questions that's seem to be asking you something in gibberish.

Now my pessimistic theory: The AAMC wants to ruin all of our hopes and dreams and thinks that only people that can memorize the entirety of a library can become doctors. And they hold an elitist view on only select geniuses with IQs of 180+ be doctors as well.

I mean obviously not enough of us pre-meds are getting weeded out by the undergrad weeder courses (think of how many people you came into freshman year that said they were pre-med and now how many still are lol). The AAMC has to step in and make sure only 50% of the people that make it this far (to take the MCAT) have a score technically eligible for acceptance at most schools. But only 25% of us are allowed to have a score that could be looked at favorably by (most MD) schools(75th percentile around 30/508 right?). And I'm pretty sure the old 30 is now a 32/510 to be competitive. So what's that like 82nd percentile, so only 18percent of people that get through all of the pre med weeder courses stay on track for med school for that long and sign up for the MCAT will come out with a desirable score(for most MD). Then after the AAMC takes us out, it's up to med schools to have those 3% acceptance rates to kick the rest of us down


(I understand that these measures and percentages are acceptable and understandable because they represent people that have proven their ability to succeed in med school and what not. I also understand why med schools have low acceptance rates and all that, I'm just being dramatic lol. I just find it crazy how much just the PRE-med portion of becoming a doctor weeds people out. )


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This is literally a 100% how I feel....we have a god damn physician shortage....why is AAMC making it soooooo hard to get into medical school....
 
In addition as the score date appoaches I feel like I am about to straight fail this exam...only scored a 510 on the practice so I can't imagine if the real test that I took was way harder than the practice how I'll do...sigh
 
This is literally a 100% how I feel....we have a god damn physician shortage....why is AAMC making it soooooo hard to get into medical school....

I feel like its more of a measure of self-preservation than anything else. The people on AAMC- they've already made it. Its not in their interest to lower the floodgates so more people can become docs. More people means more competition, less money to go around paying them their full salaries, higher chance of unemployment (though its definitely not enough to push people out of jobs atm, theres just too much demand for doctors) etc. Its selfish, but such is the way this world is run. Keep in mind at one point these guys had to jump through the same hurdles we have to now. They're probably like "we got punished too; why should these new guys get it easy?"
 
I feel like its more of a measure of self-preservation than anything else. The people on AAMC- they've already made it. Its not in their interest to lower the floodgates so more people can become docs. More people means more competition, less money to go around paying them their full salaries, higher chance of unemployment (though its definitely not enough to push people out of jobs atm, theres just too much demand for doctors) etc. Its selfish, but such is the way this world is run. Keep in mind at one point these guys had to jump through the same hurdles we have to now. They're probably like "we got punished too; why should these new guys get it easy?"

That makes a lot of sense, but I definitely think that those hurdles that they had to jump through are much bigger and much harder today and will just get worse. Why can't America start paying us better and getting more doctors!!! smh...
 
Do any of you guys have one specific school you're dying to get into?

Like I'll be ecstatic to get into any school and I'm applying incredibly broadly. But the thought of not getting into my goal school drives me wild , it's hard not going into this process with eyes and hearts wide open. But I'd like to stay in state and near my S/O (whom recently got a killer job right by my goal DO school) and family if possible. Not saying I wouldn't be happy to get in and go anywhere, but just thinking about how low acceptance rates for one specific school are makes me worried I'll have to prepare for my life to be turned upside down.


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Do any of you guys have one specific school you're dying to get into?

Like I'll be ecstatic to get into any school and I'm applying incredibly broadly. But the thought of not getting into my goal school drives me wild , it's hard not going into this process with eyes and hearts wide open. But I'd like to stay in state and near my S/O (whom recently got a killer job right by my goal DO school) and family if possible. Not saying I wouldn't be happy to get in and go anywhere, but just thinking about how low acceptance rates for one specific school are makes me worried I'll have to prepare for my life to be turned upside down.

Yeah, I have one school that if I got into, my husband and I wouldn't have to move, it would be in-state tuition, my husband wouldn't have to find another job (or face the difficult decision of if we should just live apart), it's an amazing school with rotations set up at hospitals that I really like, etc. I'd loveee to get it there and have put a lot of my eggs in that basket. I think when the time comes, we'll be so happy to get in ANYWHERE that even if the dream school doesn't happen we'll be happy to be in the position where we have to turn our lives upside down.
 
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