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EDIT 12/21/18: This thread is being retired, as the majority of posts (>80 pages) pertain to the old MCAT that is no longer relevant to current applicants. You can find the current "Should I Retake" thread here: Forum Members - Should I Retake the MCAT?

For those of you who are trying to figure out whether you should re-take, this is the thread for you. Post your dilemma here if you want advice from other SDN folks. Please note that you should take the opinions you get from SDN as one source of advice; you would be wise to also consult your premed advisor before making this decision. Here is my personal advice for those considering whether to re-take:

Definitely DO retake:
-if you scored below a 24. Some allopathic schools will screen out students with scores lower than 24, which is about the mean score for all test-takers.
-if you had some kind of major problem during the test that affected your performance (ex. you started puking or running a 102 degree temperature)
-if you took the test without completing the four pre-reqs (one year each of biology, chemistry, physics, and organic) and/or without studying for it
-if you left large numbers of questions blank​

Definitely do NOT retake:
-if you scored a 30 or better, especially if all of your individual section scores were an 8 or better
-if your section subscores (the numerical ones) are all good, but you didn't perform well on the writing section (the letter score)


Gray area-it's not obvious what to do:
-if you scored 30+ but with one section below an 8
-if you had some minor nuisances (ex. a noisy test room) during the test and you're not sure if it affected your performance
-if you studied thoroughly for the test and you scored within the range of your practice exams, but your score is in the middle range (24-29)​
 
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Hey everyone-- I'm looking for some advice.

I've taken the test 3 times-- 25, 26, 27. This summer I'll be attending University of North Texas's SMP. My GPA is 3.15, and my ECs are decent but nothing amazing.

Now, I know that it's looked down upon if you take the test multiple times, so I don't know if I should go through hell another time. I'm also shooting for D.O. schools for the most part. Any advice at all would be helpful. Thanks.

Yes, retake. I don't think your numbers right now are competitive.
 
Hey everyone-- I'm looking for some advice.

I've taken the test 3 times-- 25, 26, 27. This summer I'll be attending University of North Texas's SMP. My GPA is 3.15, and my ECs are decent but nothing amazing.

Now, I know that it's looked down upon if you take the test multiple times, so I don't know if I should go through hell another time. I'm also shooting for D.O. schools for the most part. Any advice at all would be helpful. Thanks.

You have to retake because you don't really have any strengths to your application. You need to study and practice a lot before the next time you take it, because a high MCAT score would be the only thing that could possibly get you accepted anywhere.
 
Hey everyone,

I have a question about re-taking my MCAT. I took in in August 2006 and got a 10V 11P 11B (32). I've applied the past two cycles with no luck because of my low GPA (3.3). I'm doing an MPH right now with a GPA of 3.6, and applying once more to MD and DO schools (first time for DO). I am wondering if I should retake the MCAT this summer as many schools will only accept 2007 or newer scores, or if I should continue with what I have and apply to the schools that will accept my score. I have 2 instate schools that will still accept it. It's a tough choice because I have to choose between my internship or studying.

What do people think? If you want more info on my background, PM me.

Thanks
 
hi guys

I was wondering if I should retake the MCAT I took last year. My first MCAT score was 26 (VR 8 PS 9 BS 9) then I retook it and got a 29 (VR 7 PS 10 BS 12). I average about a 30 with my VR ranging from 6-9. I am scared I could possibly score a lower score and I haven't looked at MCAT material for a year. Heres other details about me.

GPA - 3.8
Tons of clinical experience
Decent community service
2 months of research, no publications
Received a PharmD degree

Thanks!
 
GPA = 3.75
Science GPA = 3.9
MCAT = 27 (11 6VR 10)

Decent ECs:
-Hospital volunteering
-Dr shadow
-Research for several months
-Three leadership positions at school

Help?
 
bonoz: Unfortunately, you'll have to retake. The 6 in VR kills your application for US medical schools.

tchen: Similar to the above case, the 7 in VR severely hurts your chances. Though, if your in-state school accepts people with a 7 in VR, you might have a slim chance.
 
bonoz: Unfortunately, you'll have to retake. The 6 in VR kills your application for US medical schools.

tchen: Similar to the above case, the 7 in VR severely hurts your chances. Though, if your in-state school accepts people with a 7 in VR, you might have a slim chance.

My.. what's a good score in verbal reasoning to get then?
 
bonoz: Unfortunately, you'll have to retake. The 6 in VR kills your application for US medical schools.

tchen: Similar to the above case, the 7 in VR severely hurts your chances. Though, if your in-state school accepts people with a 7 in VR, you might have a slim chance.

Thanks for the info. I applied the previous year and got 3 interviews however I was waitlisted. So I'm preparing for this year aps. You think I should apply early or take the mcat again prob in july? I'm sure my mcat vr is killing me but I'm not too sure how much better I can do on it. With my scores would I be competive for a DO?
 
Just got my scores back today. Averaged 36-39 on 16 AAMCs/Kaplan FLs but got:

PS: 11
VS: 10
BS: 12
WS: R

Really felt let down after how many FLs I took and my average. I'm really going for Top 20 (Northwestern, Case Western, Mayo, WashU, UChicago). sGPA: 3.9, cGPA: 3.95.

Major: Economics

ECs:
-1.5 years of research
-lots of leadership
-started two orgs
-200hours of physician shadowing
-lots of unique business background
-lots of hospital volunteering

Can these things "overcome" my MCAT at these schools or should I really consider taking it again? I just feel really rotten right now. Thanks guys!
 
GPA - 3.74
Science GPA - 3.74 (I think, I might have done the calculation incorrectly, but probably not)

Physical - 10
Verbal - 11
Biology - 10
Writing - N

A lot of ECs and leadership experience, mid-range as far as clinical experience and volunteering.

My writing score kind of sucks...and it looks weird when the verbal is higher than the science scores, but is it worth it to retake it? My top choice is University of Pittsburgh.
 
Composite MCAT: 30R (10P, 8V, 12B)

I have a 3.91 GPA, 3+ years research, 150 hours shadowing, usual ec's. I really want to get into UPenn Med. i know that verbal may be a holdback. Should i retake????

-Thanks
 
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Just got my scores back today. Averaged 36-39 on 16 AAMCs/Kaplan FLs but got:

PS: 11
VS: 10
BS: 12
WS: R

Really felt let down after how many FLs I took and my average. I'm really going for Top 20 (Northwestern, Case Western, Mayo, WashU, UChicago). sGPA: 3.9, cGPA: 3.95.

Major: Economics

ECs:
-1.5 years of research
-lots of leadership
-started two orgs
-200hours of physician shadowing
-lots of unique business background
-lots of hospital volunteering

Can these things "overcome" my MCAT at these schools or should I really consider taking it again? I just feel really rotten right now. Thanks guys!

Seriously??? If you have problems getting into top 20 then everyone else has absolutely no chance. HA. You'll be fine!!!
 
Seriously??? If you have problems getting into top 20 then everyone else has absolutely no chance. HA. You'll be fine!!!
Thanks for your vote of confidence! Howabout this, I'll be on the ad com at your school of choice and you be on the ad com for mine. Deal?
 
tchen: You should apple early instead of retaking, especially since you don't know you can do better in verbal. There is no reason to retake the MCAT unless one has to because the date expired or they know they will do better.

Yes, your 29 is competitive for DO schools.

BBender716: A 33 will not hold you back from top schools. However, you should never bank on getting into even one. You could have a 39 and still be rejected from a top 10.

doctor2014: Unfortunately you do not have a good chance at U of Penn with that MCAT. Should you retake? No. You should apply broadly and see what happens. Your other stats look fine.
 
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Hello all, I was hoping that you guys could help me out here.

I am a canadian student (currently in M.Sc in biochemistry) hoping to get into med schools in the US. I just got my 1st MCAT score from April 09 and it's 8 VR/11 BS/ 11PS/ N WS (30N).

I am yet to calculate my GPA according to the US because grading system here is different, but by letter grade, it's A avg. I have a good EC (oversea volunteer, hospital volunteer, tutoring at inner city school), Research experience(Awards at the conferences and 1st Author paper) and LORs.

I don't have a strict preference in terms of where I want to go for med, so I was going to apply any medical schools on the west coast and east coast that would take canadians (according to 09-10 MSAR book, and I am guessing they are all private). Just name a few:

Loma Linda, USC, Rosalind Franklin, Boston University, Dartmouth, Albany, Mount Sinai, SUNY, Case Western, and Penn State (sorry for the long list).

Could any of you guys tell me what my chance is like for those schools with my MCAT score? Do you think I should retake due to my verbal? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
Hi, I'm sorry to be one of those guys who comes on here with a decent score but I averaged between 35-39 on 15+ AAMC/Kaplan Practice tests, but yesterday got this score back:
PS: 11
VS: 10
BS: 11
WS: O
OV: 32O

I am a post-bac student, which makes it really difficult to assess how competitive I am, given the complicated GPAs:
Sci GPA: 3.92
Cum GPA: 3.51
---------------
Undergrad GPA (127 credits): 3.32
Post-bac GPA (49 credits): 3.98
Major: Psychology

ECs:
-1.5+ years of clinical research
-Lengthy hospital volunteering
-1.5 years of psych research
-A ton of teaching/tutoring jobs + volunteering
-A ton of business experience
(I'm a 27yo post-bac, so I have a variety of diff experiences over the past 10 years)

I'm not exactly aiming at top 20, but I'm trying to figure out if I can feel good about top 50ish schools--i.e. U of Minnesota (I'm a MN resident). I think I can get a higher MCAT if retaken (given my averages), but don't want to risk getting a lower score if I don't have to. Will my writing score (O) hurt me at all? Also, a retake would set my application back 1-2 months...how much should that worry me?

Thanks!
 
tchen: You should apple early instead of retaking, especially since you don't know you can do better in verbal. There is no reason to retake the MCAT unless one has to because the date expired or they know they will do better.

Yes, your 29 is competitive for DO schools.

BBender716: A 33 will not hold you back from top schools. However, you should never bank on getting into even one. You could have a 39 and still be rejected from a top 10.

doctor2014: Unfortunately you do not have a good chance at U of Penn with that MCAT. Should you retake? No. You should apply broadly and see what happens. Your other stats look fine.
Thanks SN2ed! I know I should never bank on it so believe me, I'm applying broadly and to a range of reaches, fits, and safeties. Definitely learning from my college admissions experience, lol
 
MCAT: PS 10, BS 10, VR 8, WS N = 28 N

cGPA: 3.873
sciGPA: not sure think its upper 3.7's / lower 3.8's

EC's: Tutoring, various volunteering, lots of job shadowing, some research, involvement in various organizations on campus. Ohio resident.

Retake and hold off for the next cycle or try to go ahead with the process? (P.S. I didn't really get the opportunity to study for the MCAT in the way I should have. I really only reviewed the science sections and didn't take any practice tests).
 
Dear colleagues:

I took a test on 04/18/09

PS - 10
Verbal - 8 (I thought I did worse + Engl is my 2nd language)
BS - 11
WS - Q
29Q

AAMC Practice Tests:
Physical Sciences - 8-10
Verbal - 5-9
BS - 9-11


I really need advice. Please!!!!What should I do now? I'm very disappointed with my score but I would hate to retake the test. Technically, my real MCAT score was the highest of all AAMC and Kaplan Tests I took before.


GPA - 3.9 (Biochem major, Berkeley)
1 year of research (UCSF)
lots of volunteering, shadowing, tutoring
medical mission to a South American country
2 summer internships (Stanford, Yale)
speak several languages (7)
co-founded a student-run association, and was its co-president for a year
co-founded a student-run newspaper and was its co-editor-in-chief for 2 years

4 years of undergrad (majoring in interpretation/translation of foreign languages) (in Europe) prior to 4 year of undergrad in biochem in California.

Do I have a chance in any of the MD schools with my f**d-up MCAT score? I can never improve my verbal...It's my weakest point. I really want to go to school in NYC, or to any of the MD schools in the East Coast. I'm from the West Coast...

So I need advice....
I would sincerely appreciate a very honest opinion
 
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my first try
V - 9
P - 9
B - 9
=> 27 O

2nd try
V - 8
P - 10
B - 10
=> 28 P...

but my gpa is only 3.3

so should i try again??

AND if i do, when should i take it? I am applying this summer and my plan is to turn in my apps by July 1st... (im still working on my personal statement)... so is it okay to take it July 17 or July 30/31... or should I rush for June 18?? please give me ANY input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps. when u turn in your AMCAS app, do they initially screen you out with ur gpa and mcat? or will they wait and look at ur "pending" mcat score??
 
my first try
V - 9
P - 9
B - 9
=> 27 O

2nd try
V - 8
P - 10
B - 10
=> 28 P...

but my gpa is only 3.3

so should i try again??

AND if i do, when should i take it? I am applying this summer and my plan is to turn in my apps by July 1st... (im still working on my personal statement)... so is it okay to take it July 17 or July 30/31... or should I rush for June 18?? please give me ANY input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps. when u turn in your AMCAS app, do they initially screen you out with ur gpa and mcat? or will they wait and look at ur "pending" mcat score??
 
hicool:

First off, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about how Canadians are viewed by US medical schools. Hence, take my advice with a grain of Na. I suggest you ask Vihsadas for advice since he's from Canada.

I could see them in a better position then other internationals or about the same. I think they're in the same position going off of what one Canadian medical student told me.

Your chances at those schools are not very good with the possible exception being Loma Linda because they're kind of odd. In general, international students have a tough time getting into US medical schools. Most of the time, bigger/more well-known schools are the ones with a decent number of slots for international students. However, that makes it tougher for international students because they're competing for a very limited number of slots AND the school is well-known.

Again, don't take my advice on this as the end all. Well, no one should take my advice as the "end all" regardless.



dcash14:

You have an decent chance at U of Minnesota. True, your MCAT isn't amazing, but it's solid. That, along with a good post-bac GPA, your ECs, and your relative uniqueness being a non-trad may place you in a good position. Overall, if you apply broadly, you have a pretty good shot at being accepted somewhere.

No, the O won't hurt you. Just pay extra attention on your primary essay.

trep14:

Definitely retake. It sounds like you didn't even study.


mashuk1983:

You have a poor chance at getting into a NYC medical school unless you find one that loves your ECs (which are good). Even though you probably won't make the cut for NYC, you should NOT retake. It doesn't sound like you have a chance at doing better. NEVER retake the MCAT unless you have a great deal of confidence at doing significantly better. Apply broadly (skewed towards the lower tier schools) with what you have. I think your ECs and GPA will pull you through for some schools.


watergirl1202:

Some schools will screen you out by GPA and MCAT. Unless you want to go DO, you'll have to retake. Before you retake again, you MUST FIRST figure out what went wrong both times. Analyze your past tests, past study strategies, EVERYTHING. You may say, "but I've done that and still done badly." You haven't done it. Your second score did not show a significant improvement which means you did not find your problem areas and fix them.




Whew. That's a ton of typing.
 
Ok not me, my little sister, who is an illinois resident.

GPA 3.65

PS - 10
Verbal - 9
BS - 9

28R

Applying to most regular schools, scores are about similar to practice scores.

Top Choice is UIC, which has average GPAs of 3.5 and then an average score of about 31. Wouldn't mind applying to other chicago schools too.

I convinced this person to retake in July, but also apply because I think the score is reasonable. What do you guys think? still apply and hope the new score is higher, does that sound reasonable, will this score work anyways or is it better to at least hit the 30, if so close as is?
 
Hi guys.

I took the April 24th MCAT, and just got my scores back. 9,9,9,Q. I only have a 3.7 GPA. I have some good ECs: volunteering, job shadowing, started a March of Dimes Chapter, etc. I want to get into my state school, Indiana University, but I would like to get in some other places soon. I am really torn. Help would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
Hi guys.

I took the April 24th MCAT, and just got my scores back. 9,9,9,Q. I only have a 3.7 GPA. I have some good ECs: volunteering, job shadowing, started a March of Dimes Chapter, etc. I want to get into my state school, Indiana University, but I would like to get in some other places soon. I am really torn. Help would be appreciated.

Thanks

First of all, 3.7 is pretty good. You seem to have solid ECs as well.👍 I don't know much about Indiana's admissions stats, but if you think you may be in danger, you may have to retake, especially if you're looking at the more competitive mid-tiers.
 
Hi I need some of your guys' opinions on whether I should retake or not. Here are my stats:

MCAT: 30+
cGPA: 3.8+
sGPA: 3.8+

I am a California resident, and am looking to get into a California school. The reason why I am thinking about re-taking is because I know CA schools usually need around 34 MCAT to get in...but i'm just wondering with my GPA and my OKAY EC's, would I stand a chance? or do you think I should retake?

I also want to add that my range on my AAMC practice tests were 31-35, but when I took the real test I had the flu but stuck it out and took the test anyways. And when I was taking the test my mind was wandering and my was not as clear as it should have been. However, I really do not feel like re-studying for this test, which is why I am debating whether I should just keep it, or re-take hoping that I hit in my upper ranges area. Thanks.
 
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First time: 10B 6V 11P, P

Second time: 10B 8V 11P, S

overall gpa: 3.87, science gpa: 3.9

100+ hours shadowing in operating room, NICU, and endocrinologist's clinic
100+ hours volunteering at hematology/oncology pediatric clinic
TA in undergraduate bio lab (1 semester)
Science teacher at elementary school (1 semester)
Business major, Bio minor
Reapplicant (2nd time)

I want to get into an M.D. program in Texas--not looking at Texas Tech schools, or, Baylor.
 
Not sure about a retake. My scores were

Vr:8
Bio:10
Phys:10
Wr: R

My GPA is a 4.0 from UofIllinois. My extra currics. are solid.
Can the perfect gpa overcome the lower mcat?
Any advice?
-Thanks
 
First time: 10B 6V 11P, P

Second time: 10B 8V 11P, S

overall gpa: 3.87, science gpa: 3.9

100+ hours shadowing in operating room, NICU, and endocrinologist's clinic
100+ hours volunteering at hematology/oncology pediatric clinic
TA in undergraduate bio lab (1 semester)
Science teacher at elementary school (1 semester)
Business major, Bio minor
Reapplicant (2nd time)

I want to get into an M.D. program in Texas--not looking at Texas Tech schools, or, Baylor.

wow thats impressive, how did you TA for an undergrad bio lab? At my school, the TA's job is usually reserved for Ph.D students...the closest thing that undergrad's get to teaching is tutoring hahaha

but anyways, congrats on that EC! I always thought that TA's were only PhD students, but I now know otherwise...
 
Hey guys...I'm new to this forum, and was wondering if I could get some advice?

I just got my scores for the April 24 MCAT. My score report was:

VR: 10
PS: 10
BS: 9
WS: P ===> 29P

I am a resident of Missouri, but went to undergrad at Mississippi State majoring in Biomedical Engineering...a very time consuming major. Thus, I didn't get quite as much studying in as I would have liked. I took 5 practice tests and scored 27, 29, 29, 27, 31.

I have a good amount of community service, about 40 hours of shadowing; and am active in many groups on campus, including student government.

My cumulative GPA is 3.82, and my science GPA is about 3.75 I think. My top choices are University of MO-Columbia and St. Louis University but am open to other schools as well. Should I retake the MCAT??
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Thanks a lot,
Mav
 
Assuming you have a decent amount of clinical experience, and considering your home state, and very good GPA, I think there´s a reasonable chance of an acceptance as you are. Since your MCAT is on the borderline side, I wouldn´t blame you for retaking. You could add some DO schools to your list to enhance chances of an acceptance in one cycle, too.
 
Overall GPA: 3.85
Science GPA: 3.9
PS: 9
VS:6
BS:12
WS:Q

Overall: 27Q

1) Can a Q on the writing section overcompensate for the low VS?

2) Do I have a chance at getting into allopathic schools with a great GPA and such a low VS?

3) If I retake MCAT, does anyone have advice for a non-nantive English speaker on what is the best way to improve my VS score in the shortest amount of time possible? Any good books? Classes? Any suggestions will help...

My average on AAMC practice test VS's ranged from 7-9, and Im always in the acceptable ranges on the other sections. For some reason my verbal score on the test that counts was low. Could it have been an outlier?

:idea:
 
I am taking MCAT on July 2nd. I haven't yet applied thru AMCAS.
Should I apply to AMCAS application first (before taking MCATs)?
Or should I wait till I receive MCAT score?
Money is not an issue at all. But, I am unsure how to select med schools......because, once I apply thru AMCAS, I can add or elete med schools, right???
 
Hi. I would love some advice. I scored a 28P on my first MCAT. 10VR 9BS 9PS. I studied my butt off but I'm wondering if I should retake the Kaplan review class and then take the exam again at the end of the summer? Any thoughts or suggestions?
 
I was kind of hoping some other long time posters would help you guys out. I think this thread is at its best when there are multiple opinions. However, since it's been awhile, I'll do my quick round-up. Please understand that because there are so many, the response will be rather brief.

KryptoDoc: She should apply this year and see what happens before retaking. The caveat is if she was doing significantly better on her practice tests, but choked on the real thing. If that is the case, then she should retake. A 28 leaves open the possibility of Southern Illinois University. The good thing about Illinois is that there are a good number of schools that favor in-state residents. If she has solid ECs, she stands a chance at some of the other Illinois schools. Lastly, if money's tight, you may only want to apply to the lower-mid tier Illinois schools.

chandr29: You may want to apply to lower tier schools and see what happens. Still, that 27 really hurts your chances. Your best shot is your in-state school. I don't think your ECs will over-ride a 27.

nicolesmine4sur: You shouldn't retake the MCAT unless you're dead set on the high tier CA schools (UCSF, Stanford, UCSD, UCLA). However, that is always a bad idea. You should never be so committed to any one school, especially the high tier.

DrCorrupt: You shouldn't retake. You stand a decent shot at getting into a Texas school.

wannabadr10: First off, your writing score doesn't matter unless you have your heart set on Canada. Don't retake. You stand a good chance at your in-state schools and a decent shot at lower tier out of state schools.

The Lute: Similar to KryptoDoc's case, your chances are not as good as they could be, yet you still have a shot. Apply and see what happens.

maverick14606: Don't retake. You don't have a good chance at doing better and you're competitive at your in-state schools. You may also have an okay chance lower tier out of state schools. As long as you don't change your mind and decide on a certain other MO school, don't retake.

Ventilated: You should retake. Both your MCAT and GPA sub-par.

hardrockpremed:

1. A writing score means very little to US medical schools. They only care about the extremes. Your writing score will not in any way alleviate your poor VR. Even if you got a perfect in WS, they would still filter you out based on VR.

2. Unfortunately, you do not have a chance. Your VR will get you screened-out.

3. The key is practicing with tons of passages and thoroughly analyzing your results. There is no quick way to improve your VR. Some good verbal books, in order, EK 101, TPR Hyperlearning verbal workbook, and TBR verbal. Avoid Kaplan. Also, check out Vihsadas' verbal guide found in the MCAT guide sticky.

There is the hope that you simply choked on verbal and your 6 is an outlier. Still, if you got a 7 your chances would not be good either. I think the bare minimum on VR is an 8. Below that, you're better off retaking.

CZiino: It depends on where you want to go.
 
Just got them back.. 25 R.. 10 VR 8 BS 7 PS... I knew I bombed PS.. but I'm working full time 40 hrs/week in public health international experience 3.83 GPA - non trad. I'm just afriad if I redo I won't do much better... is this way too low to get in? The 10 and the R are okay.. maybe just work on PS? I'm scheduled again for 7 31 butI'm afraid I may do worse and thats already really late in the app cycle.
 
bradtigris: absolutely not. that's a great score. yeah, if you want to go to a "top school" it's on the lower end of their average, but with your good GPA and hopefully some great EC's you'll have a good shot. if you re-took and didn't do as well you'd really be kicking yourself.
 
8PS 12VR Q 10BS

GPA 3.48

Just got this today. Do I need to take this sucker again? My aamc average was ~35. I hate to give up half of my summer on this, but it gives me a headache just looking at that 8

PA resident
 
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