Oh Duke...

[curbsideconsult]

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So apparently this happened:
Grad program director steps down after warning students not to speak Chinese

And then consider the picture on the landing page of their website:
Master Overview

 

[Goro]

“They were disappointed that these students were not taking the opportunity to improve their English and were being so impolite as to have a conversation that not everyone on the floor could understand,” she wrote, according to the screenshots that were posted online.

God forbid people converse in their native languages
/sarcasm.

If graduate schools enforced this rule on South and East Asian students nationwide, we'd have very few graduate students, and the NIH would stop completely.

 

[curbsideconsult]

“They were disappointed that these students were not taking the opportunity to improve their English and were being so impolite as to have a conversation that not everyone on the floor could understand,” she wrote, according to the screenshots that were posted online.

God forbid people converse in their native languages
/sarcasm.

If graduate schools enforced this rule on South and East Asian students nationwide, we'd have very few graduate students, and the NIH would stop completely.

It's amazing how people continuously act against their own self-interests. International students = $$$

You should have left out the "/sarcasm" to see how SDNers would respond

 

[Goro]

It's amazing how people continuously act against their own self-interests. International students = $$$

You should have left out the "/sarcasm" to see how SDNers would respond

Then the thread would have been immediately consigned to SDN's own cesspool, the SPF. Let's make life easier for our poor hard working mods!

 

[Goro]

Jeeze, it just gets even more appalling:
Duke University Apologizes Over Professor’s Email Asking Chinese Students to Speak English

 

[wholeheartedly]

Just. Wow.

So do you think there were really other faculty or do you think she was just saying that to make it seem like her own opinion has more weight?

 

[curbsideconsult]

Just. Wow.

So do you think there were really other faculty or do you think she was just saying that to make it seem like her own opinion has more weight?

Who knows? But either scenario is mighty unappetizing.

 

[Goro]

Things are even worse at Smith, it seems.
Smith College Overhauls Policing Practices After Black Student Racially Profiled

 

[curbsideconsult]

Things are even worse at Smith, it seems.
Smith College Overhauls Policing Practices After Black Student Racially Profiled

I remember when that happened. It was infuriating to read.

In undergrad, I saw and knew many students who frequently slept in the library because they fell asleep while studying. These were white and Asian students. Not one of them ever had the cops called on them simply for existing.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Things are even worse at Smith, it seems.
Smith College Overhauls Policing Practices After Black Student Racially Profiled

Leave it to the ACLU to take any attempt to dig at the police, even if it means using a misleading headline.

That does suck though. I have black friends who have had the cops called on them at health clubs and pools and stuff for “looking out of place.” What people seem to forget is that the police have to respond to the call. In all the situations my friends have been in, they came, figured out it was just some racist dingus calling, apologized and left.

 

[907914]

In all the situations my friends have been in, they came, figured out it was just some racist dingus calling, apologized and left.

Then your friends are the lucky majority. However there is a not-unnoticeable unlucky minority.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Then your friends are the lucky majority. However there is a not-unnoticeable unlucky minority.

There will always be an unlucky minority of cases that go wrong. Cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, pilots, etc are just people. People make mistakes and some people are ****ty. We should strive for perfection but not being able to reach it isn’t a reason to condemn the vast majority of the those people who are doing their best. Should we condemn all doctors because of people like Christopher Duntsch?

 

[deleted972488]

There will always be an unlucky minority of cases that go wrong. Cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, pilots, etc are just people. People make mistakes and some people are ****ty. We should strive for perfection but not being able to reach it isn’t a reason to condemn the vast majority of the those people who are doing their best. Should we condemn all doctors because of people like Christopher Duntsch?

Nobody was condemning all police officers. Also, the problem is with institutional racism that permeates our society, not just individual people making mistakes.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Nobody was condemning all police officers. Also, the problem is with institutional racism that permeates our society, not just individual people making mistakes.

I didn't say anyone was. I was stating my own point in response to @MemeLord's post. Please don't create an argument where one doesn't exist. But if you want to talk about whether institutional racism exists within law enforcement, I'll happily discuss it in the social thread.

 

[deleted972488]

I didn't say anyone was. I was stating my own point in response to @MemeLord's post. Please don't create an argument where one doesn't exist. But if you want to talk about whether institutional racism exists within law enforcement, I'll happily discuss it in the social thread.

Not trying to argue. But your asking “Should we condemn all doctors because of people like...” implies you thought someone was condemning all police officers.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Not trying to argue. But your asking “Should we condemn all doctors because of people like...” implies you thought someone was condemning all police officers.

Most of the time when people say things like what @MemeLord said, it's to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Only said what I did just in case he meant that, but I wasn't trying to imply anyone was explicitly saying that here.

 

[993444]

There will always be an unlucky minority of cases that go wrong. Cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, pilots, etc are just people. People make mistakes and some people are ****ty. We should strive for perfection but not being able to reach it isn’t a reason to condemn the vast majority of the those people who are doing their best. Should we condemn all doctors because of people like Christopher Duntsch?

A policeman can kill someone and get away with it. That's why it's different.

 

[907914]

Most of the time when people say things like what @MemeLord said, it's to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Only said what I did just in case he meant that, but I wasn't trying to imply anyone was explicitly saying that here.

I was not stating that all officers are bad. The vast majority are good people with good intentions. But regardless of the individual officers, they operate within a system od institutional racism that allows murder of innocents, regardless of the individual opinions and views of officers. Medicine, and all US systems, operate based on institutionalized racism, but by no means to the extent that law enforcement and the justice system does.

 

[deleted480308]

I was not stating that all officers are bad. The vast majority are good people with good intentions. But regardless of the individual officers, they operate within a system od institutional racism that allows murder of innocents, regardless of the individual opinions and views of officers. Medicine, and all US systems, operate based on institutionalized racism, but by no means to the extent that law enforcement and the justice system does.

Now you’re just saying things that aren’t true

 

[993444]

I was not stating that all officers are bad. The vast majority are good people with good intentions. But regardless of the individual officers, they operate within a system of institutional racism that allows murder of innocents, regardless of the individual opinions and views of officers. Medicine, and all US systems, operate based on institutionalized racism, but by no means to the extent that law enforcement and the justice system does.

I am very curious about institutionalized racism in healthcare. I do believe that the healthcare system in the US strongly disfavors those of low SES. And there is strong correlation between being AA and coming from a low SES background.

However, I do know that there are other racial disparities even on equal economic footing. My guess has to do with the effects of local politics on communities (such as lower funding for black and latino communities which lowers quality of healthcare in those communities).

 

[Cornfed101]

I am very curious about institutionalized racism in healthcare. I do believe that the healthcare system in the US strongly disfavors those of low SES. And there is strong correlation between being AA and coming from a low SES background. So I wonder if this is a 'correlation doesn't equal causation' scenario.

I wouldn’t say institutionalized racism is rampant in healthcare, but definitely a prejudice against low SES. Not that many individuals harbor a bias against those of low SES, but just that it is the consequence of a free market system like ours. Those with more money are typically the winners. There have been changes to balance the scales a bit, but they have been pretty inadequate up to this point.

 

[Cornfed101]

A policeman can kill someone and get away with it. That's why it's different.

So did Dr. Duntsch. For years he was maiming and killing people.

 

[deleted972488]

I am very curious about institutionalized racism in healthcare. I do believe that the healthcare system in the US strongly disfavors those of low SES. And there is strong correlation between being AA and coming from a low SES background. So I wonder if this is a 'correlation doesn't equal causation' scenario.

I wouldn’t say institutionalized racism is rampant in healthcare, but definitely a prejudice against low SES. Not that many individuals harbor a bias against those of low SES, but just that it is the consequence of a free market system like ours. Those with more money are typically the winners. There have been changes to balance the scales a bit, but they have been pretty inadequate up to this point.

Even when you control for SES, there are major racial disparities in healthcare.

 

[993444]

So did Dr. Duntsch. For years he was maiming and killing people.

Just read the Wikipedia article dedicated to him. The thing that astonishes me is how easily he kept on getting a new job after repeatedly getting fired........ seriously WTF

 

[Cornfed101]

Just read the Wikipedia article dedicated to him. The thing that astonishes me is how easily he kept on getting a new job after repeatedly getting fired........ seriously WTF

Yeah you should listed to the podcast Dr Death. It’s terrifying and sad. Everyone just kept passing him off to another hospital and hoping they would deal with it.