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Yeah, you'd need a little alcohol induced ADH supression. 😉

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I crunched the numbers for our class on the PCM exam. Only 13 made As if you go with 92% or above; you can't go with 91.5% or above (there weren't any that fell there anyway) cause for the final calculated grades some folks got a 91.9% and still got Bs. However, there were 40 that had 90s or above.

*shrug*

In the end, 125 people had As in the course, so I really wouldn't sweat it unless they're really trying to cut down on your class's grade inflation. Unless you're an exceptionally poor interviewer or your facilitator is a complete jerk, the bulk of the points are gimmes. You mentioned that your final is only worth 30% though. Ours was 40%. Did they shift those points over to your physical exam stuff?

Edit: Nevermind, I looked it up. Our first two papers were only worth 100 points each with the third at 150, whereas all three of yours are 150. I think they got lots of feedback from our class saying the final exam was worth way too much. 😉
 
Yeah, you'd need a little alcohol induced ADH supression. 😉

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I crunched the numbers for our class on the PCM exam. Only 13 made As if you go with 92% or above; you can't go with 91.5% or above (there weren't any that fell there anyway) cause for the final calculated grades some folks got a 91.9% and still got Bs. However, there were 40 that had 90s or above.

*shrug*

In the end, 125 people had As in the course, so I really wouldn't sweat it unless they're really trying to cut down on your class's grade inflation. Unless you're an exceptionally poor interviewer or your facilitator is a complete jerk, the bulk of the points are gimmes. You mentioned that your final is only worth 30% though. Ours was 40%. Did they shift those points over to your physical exam stuff?

Edit: Nevermind, I looked it up. Our first two papers were only worth 100 points each with the third at 150, whereas all three of yours are 150. I think they got lots of feedback from our class saying the final exam was worth way too much. 😉

Thanks for the numbers! Dr. Sparks said the exam really wasn't very important and that she didn't think it embodied the important elements of PCM, so maybe she bought your feedback. 🙂

I just want to be done!
 
So, I hear that the summer after your first year is your only real free time. What do you first years have planned? I heard some last year went on a medical mission to Africa or something.
 
So, I hear that the summer after your first year is your only real free time. What do you first years have planned? I heard some last year went on a medical mission to Africa or something.

I like your deep thoughts... especially the pack of wild dogs one. :laugh:

Okay, so maybe I'll have long since changed my mind by the time I actually am a first year who is about to have my only summer off, but at this point, I intend to try and get into one of their research gigs, where they pay you a couple thousand bucks & you get to put your name on a paper & you get a nice LOR for residency... plus the bonus of getting to do research 😉 ...

Then again, by the time I actually get to that point I may just be thinking VACATION. Oh, I also might be getting married at that time so....

Just my non-medical student two cents.
 
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I just woke up:laugh:

Well, it looks like you still beat me there. I love walking in late and disrupting everybody. Oh well, at least it wasn't a test that required a lot of concentration.
 
😀

We're done 🙂

I was all happy on the drive home and then thought "can I handle 1.5 more yrs of this class stuff...and finals...?"

yea 👍
i think its just gonna kinda suck a lot of the time
 
This may be the wrong forum to ask this in or perhaps blasphemous to mention, but I hear the biggest difference between osteopathic and allopathic education is training in manipulative medicine. My questions are: Is there evidence that OMM is effective and does it extend beyond what a chiropractor would do? Also, how could an allopathic physician go about getting training in OMM if he felt that it had true merit?

I shadowed a D.O. orthopedic surgeon at Deaconess. While he seemed to be a great doctor, I saw no difference in his patient handling than I would from an M.D. He even told me to go wherever I got accepted, and to go M.D. if I didn't want to spend my professional career explaining to family members that I am a "real" doctor.

There seems to be a stigma on these boards that D.O. schools are a back up plan for people with low-mediocre MCAT and GPA. However, I see that OSU actually had a rather high primary care ranking and good boards.

Now, my die is really already cast, so there is no way I will end up being D.O., but I am concerned that I may be missing out on something important.

Discuss!
 
This may be the wrong forum to ask this in or perhaps blasphemous to mention, but I hear the biggest difference between osteopathic and allopathic education is training in manipulative medicine. My questions are: Is there evidence that OMM is effective and does it extend beyond what a chiropractor would do? Also, how could an allopathic physician go about getting training in OMM if he felt that it had true merit?

I shadowed a D.O. orthopedic surgeon at Deaconess. While he seemed to be a great doctor, I saw no difference in his patient handling than I would from an M.D. He even told me to go wherever I got accepted, and to go M.D. if I didn't want to spend my professional career explaining to family members that I am a "real" doctor.

There seems to be a stigma on these boards that D.O. schools are a back up plan for people with low-mediocre MCAT and GPA. However, I see that OSU actually had a rather high primary care ranking and good boards.

Now, my die is really already cast, so there is no way I will end up being D.O., but I am concerned that I may be missing out on something important.

Discuss!

I hear most of em don't even use the omm once they get into practice. Some of it seems like it might be useful sometimes to a GP...but a lot of it is bullsh*t too. If you want to learn it I think Harvard teaches it as an optional 3-day course...they might weed out all the BS and just teach what works, hence the 3 days instead of 2 yrs lol

And yea, DO schools are mostly filled with folks who couldn't get into an MD school though they deny it, get pissed, and say they like the philosophy of treating the whole person and MDs just hand out drugs LOL
 
I do know some people that were accepted here and not at OSU so lets try not to start a flame war... 😉 From what I've heard, OSU is one of the best DO schools in the country. They do have a lower MCAT and GPA average acceptance. In the end you have to decide what is best for yourself. Most of the advice you will receive is going to be heavily biased either way, but I think the doc you shadowed summed it up pretty nicely. I talked to my cousin, who is a DO and great FP, and saw him do one manipulation the week I was there. I also talked to a couple of DO fourth years rotating under him and they said (in jest) that OMM was only really useful to sooth their pregnant wives.

Really this thing gets out of hand really quickly. There are many different facets of the issue. Just flip a coin. I made my decision to come here for a variety of reasons, but I strongly considered applying to OSU. I don't regret my decision.
 
I shadowed a D.O. orthopedic surgeon at Deaconess. While he seemed to be a great doctor, I saw no difference in his patient handling than I would from an M.D.

And that's what you'll find probably 99% of the time. If you check out the osteopathic board, you'll see that lots of DO students actually resent learning OMM and all the talk about osteopathic medicine being more holistic.

I think the main difference in the two schools is in emphasis. OSU really pushes primary care and rural care, while OU doesn't as much. OU is not a big research institution, but it has a lot more research going on than OSU (look at NIH funding).

Other than that, OSU's smaller and in a different city.

The one sort of mean thing I'll say is that our rotations are at better facilities. OSU's hospital has sort of a bad reputation. The other criticism I've heard about OSU from DOs who trained elsewhere is that OSU is a little insular. Most everyone as OSU supposedly trained at OSU, so you don't have a lot of variety in instruction or style. I'll note that I seriously considered attending an osteopathic school, but I thought there were some osteopathic schools that were more impressive than OSU. Just my opinion,so please don't flame me. :scared:
 
I had to look up what insular meant :laugh:
 
I had to look up what insular meant :laugh:

Me too! Well, I'm actually too lazy to actually look it up, I just kind of inferred the meaning from the rest of the post.
 
Well, sarcasm in the sense that my propositions are not genuine lest I be obliterated like an umbilical artery by RachelD's spouse. I know not of yours nor exlaw's, but they are lucky dudes too. However it's not to say that my flattery and words of adoration are not deeply felt. And if you don't believe me, I would be more than happy to assimilate a nice poem for you available for reading by all patrons of our campus. 😉 Naw I prolly don't have the marbles to actually put somebody's name in a discussion board poem. I wrote a haiku in jest for one of my module mates and sent it to six people at once several weeks ago. It went over like a fart in a space suit.

I don't know a girl who doesn't appreciate a compliment from a member of the opposite sex. Especially someone as witty and intelligent as you! We like it so you can keep it up!😉
Now, if I could just get you to talk to me sometime that would be great.😀
 
So, I hear that the summer after your first year is your only real free time. What do you first years have planned? I heard some last year went on a medical mission to Africa or something.

Gotta go back to working full time. I need the health insurance to get some stuff taken care of that I'd rather not wait three years to address. Maybe if I still had good insurance, I would be willing to get the Xanax that I need to talk to RachelD in person.

Okay, so maybe I'll have long since changed my mind by the time I actually am a first year who is about to have my only summer off, but at this point, I intend to try and get into one of their research gigs, where they pay you a couple thousand bucks & you get to put your name on a paper & you get a nice LOR for residency... plus the bonus of getting to do research 😉 ...

The honors research program pays $4500, but the odds that you are going to get your name on a publication from it are not that great depending on what researcher you work with. There is a poster presentation however. I don't know about the LOR's since you'd be working with a PhD. There are also summer programs in pathology and family medicine that offer some compensation.

Oh, I also might be getting married at that time so....

Indeed a very common summer activity... We also have sombody having a baby if everything goes as planned.

+pissed+ another one taken...

OSU's hospital has sort of a bad reputation. The other criticism I've heard about OSU from DOs who trained elsewhere is that OSU is a little insular. Most everyone as OSU supposedly trained at OSU, so you don't have a lot of variety in instruction or style. I'll note that I seriously considered attending an osteopathic school, but I thought there were some osteopathic schools that were more impressive than OSU. Just my opinion,so please don't flame me. :scared:

They just changed the name to OSU Medical Center to give it some more prestige. You can get a good education there, but they are state level 3 for trauma. While I realize that these "levels" don't mean much save for marketing purposes, there was a concern when I worked there that their students weren't getting that much trauma exposure.

If I were king, I think that I'd just as well make one degree (call it whatever you want, "doctor" actually comes from "teacher" in latin) since licensure agencies do not distinguish between them.

I never had any interest in osteopathic medicine personally. If I couldn't get into an MD school, I would have just keep reapplying. As exlaw said, it's a year or two of extra preparation vs. a career of explaining what you are and putting yourself behind the 8-ball for consideration in some residency programs. I do know people who set their sites on osteopath and only went that route, and that's great. They are proud of their decision, and I would consider myself priveleged to work with them someday. My original interest in medicine was MD/PhD, so osteopathic medicine was just not in my differential from the get-go.

Treating the whole person? Well that's the doctor's philosophy ultimately. There are plenty of DO surgeons who don't get a full social history before operating, just as there some great MD's who treat holistically. I honestly think that it is a function of stress management, personal values, and experience rather than what school you go to. OMM? It's borne out of the DO philosophy from many decades ago and not a major component of medicine in our country.

As far as the "rankings" go, again, it is a marketing spin. As university politics go, OSU would likely slide down that USN/WR list for primary care in exchange for half of OU's grant revenue. I think that Boren's focus campus-wide is really more geared toward competing with Texas schools, and that's not going to happen by increasing the emphasis here on primary care. 🙁 Sorry if that is offensive. It is not my opinion. Primary care is actually on a short list of residencies that I have not ruled out, but the more competative specialties just have more political pull in the academic setting.

I don't know a girl who doesn't appreciate a compliment from a member of the opposite sex. Especially someone as witty and intelligent as you! We like it so you can keep it up!😉
Now, if I could just get you to talk to me sometime that would be great.😀

I shall make it a goal for 2007. 🙂
 
So I just filled out the professionalism thing on my anatomy group. The questions are odd, and I don't think we have the ability to accurately answer them. I'm just not into the "professionalism" push, I guess.
 
Now that test block is over, I have the time to cook. So I turned on the oven and started doing some chopping, etc. And then, I opened the oven door. 😱 I had put a frozen pizza in there, who knows how long ago and I guess I got busy and forgot about it. At first I thought it was smoking because the oven was hot, but then I realized that it wasn't smoke rising from the top of that really old pizza. The mold was growing vertically. Mold spores, another reason why test block is not good for your health!
 
Now that test block is over, I have the time to cook. So I turned on the oven and started doing some chopping, etc. And then, I opened the oven door. 😱 I had put a frozen pizza in there, who knows how long ago and I guess I got busy and forgot about it. At first I thought it was smoking because the oven was hot, but then I realized that it wasn't smoke rising from the top of that really old pizza. The mold was growing vertically. Mold spores, another reason why test block is not good for your health!
haha, nice. I currently have some interesting mold growing in a large bottle of grape juice =)
 
So I just filled out the professionalism thing on my anatomy group. The questions are odd, and I don't think we have the ability to accurately answer them. I'm just not into the "professionalism" push, I guess.

Do we do it on the whole group, or just the half we work with directly?
 
The honors research program pays $4500, but the odds that you are going to get your name on a publication from it are not that great depending on what researcher you work with. There is a poster presentation however. I don't know about the LOR's since you'd be working with a PhD. There are also summer programs in pathology and family medicine that offer some compensation.

I already have a doc in mind: Dr. Mulvihill. I did research with him summer 2005 (had tried to get into the SURE program, but didn't make it... to work as a research assistant w/Mulvihill anyways). Working with him was an MS-1 / 2. So, I think that is probably what I'm going to aim for - assuming Dr. Mulvihill would be willing to take me on twice 🙂 . Chance of getting my name on a paper, ehh? Iffy, but that's okay. The Ms-1 / 2 got to do a presentation at Pediatric Grand Rounds, which would look pretty sweet on the resume, too.

I'm not a gunner I swear.... I just want to get the residency of my choice & I don't expect to be in the top of my class grade-wise... or boards-wise, for that matter. So, padding the resume = necessity. Plus, Dr. Mulvihill is the smartest man alive (IMHO).
 
Totally off thread, but too crazy not to share.

I have a squirrel trapped in my fireplace! It goes crazy every now and then trying to get out. I have glass doors that we tied closed and taped up so it couldn't get out in my house, but my cat is going crazy trying to get at it as well.

It was hiding up where we couldn't see it when the animal control guy came, so I'm sure he thought that I was crazy. He said to just see if it got out tonight, but I don't think so. It has been in there for seven hours now, and I think it would have gotten out already if it could.

The animal control guy said it was risky trying to get it, because if he missed, it would get into the house and be almost impossible to catch.

Any ideas other than lighting the gas and watching a squirrel lightshow/barbeque? :meanie:
 
Totally off thread, but too crazy not to share.

I have a squirrel trapped in my fireplace! It goes crazy every now and then trying to get out. I have glass doors that we tied closed and taped up so it couldn't get out in my house, but my cat is going crazy trying to get at it as well.

It was hiding up where we couldn't see it when the animal control guy came, so I'm sure he thought that I was crazy. He said to just see if it got out tonight, but I don't think so. It has been in there for seven hours now, and I think it would have gotten out already if it could.

The animal control guy said it was risky trying to get it, because if he missed, it would get into the house and be almost impossible to catch.

Any ideas other than lighting the gas and watching a squirrel lightshow/barbeque? :meanie:

Have you ever seen a dead squirrel in a fireplace? 😀

There was a girl in our mod that had a raccoon get in her parent's house the other night, and it came up through the vents somehow. Her brother shot it with a scattergun while it was down in the vent. For numerous reasons, I'd recommend a different course of action than that!
 
We had a squirrel get into our air conditioning vent on the roof and die. We didn't know it happened until we noticed this horrible smell in our apartment. Then, we got flies. 😱 Needless to say, it was really gross. Don't know what you should do about it, though.
 
We had a squirrel get into our air conditioning vent on the roof and die. We didn't know it happened until we noticed this horrible smell in our apartment. Then, we got flies. 😱 Needless to say, it was really gross. Don't know what you should do about it, though.

Exlawgrrl will come over and shoot that pest for ya...she hates animals so much she's a vegetarian!👍 😀
 
My mom had a squirrel die in her chimney. The smell was awful, definitely get it out before it dies!
 
Happy Holidays! I'm glad I get sleep tonight.
 
ok....I'm going to bed folks...have a good night 🙂
 
He may be a smart guy, but he was a jerk to some of our classmates last year during his lecture on FAS.

I'll leave it to Antigunner to address that issue, if he wants. 😉

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... maybe he was just having a bad day... Plus I would hate to tarnish Jwax's opinions of him. Obviously I don't really know the guy personally.

I definitely wasn't sure how to take his ultra non-PC comments - showing picture of child with some disease (forget what) "These guys are pretty ******ed" :meanie:

Also, was the coffee enema question from him? If so, maybe I do hate him...
 
He may be a smart guy, but he was a jerk to some of our classmates last year during his lecture on FAS.

I'll leave it to Antigunner to address that issue, if he wants. 😉

I think he might be one of those really smart folks who occassionally get frustrated by the fact that everyone else isn't as smart as him.

He was always incredibly nice to me, but maybe it was because I was an undergrad & he didn't actually expect me to know anything & couldn't "pimp" me... or whatever it is that they do to MS III's & IV's & interns.

*edit* He has on occassion said things that might be considered non-PC, but I'm okay with that. He's really nice to his patients, too.

"Only offered beef? No problem: visit the zoo and eat a monkey! "

HILARIOUS. Best site ever.
 
You know, that's a question that nobody seems to know the answer to. I decided to be lazy and just evaluate the people I specifically dissect with. You also have to evaluate yourself.

In my case, I just evaluated the three people I worked with. The way it looked to me, the survey seemed to be an open sort of prompt not necessarily limited to gross anatomy colleagues. It didn't even look mandatory.

Well I have some free time that I need to kill. exlaw, did you practice as an attorney for a bit between law and med school? If so, what kind of stuff did you do?
 
Anybody out there get an acceptance from OUCOM and decline it?? Trying to keep a tally of seats remaining. As of 12-14-06, the AdCom had made 106 offers for acceptance. 😎
 
Anybody out there get an acceptance from OUCOM and decline it?? Trying to keep a tally of seats remaining. As of 12-14-06, the AdCom had made 106 offers for acceptance. 😎

I think most people hold on to them until they have to decline. I would guess that at least 200 people end up getting accepted (including the waitlist) to fill the class of 167.
 
Is there a formal (or unspoken) dress code/policy?
 
Is there a formal (or unspoken) dress code/policy?

there is no dress code for lectures. obviously on you pcm rotation you have to dress professionally. we were supposed to dress nicely whenever we had clinical correlations in biochem. everyone started out dressing nicely for those but that slowly deteriorated. you may want to leave your big johnson t-shirts at home but besides that dress however you wish.
 
I got a $150 parking ticket for using my expired (recently) handicapped parking permit.


Where the **** are these parking attendants when all the handicapped spots are filled with obese, chain-smoking folks idling in the Wal-mart parking lot?

What a crappy way to end the day.
 
Anybody out there get an acceptance from OUCOM and decline it?? Trying to keep a tally of seats remaining. As of 12-14-06, the AdCom had made 106 offers for acceptance. 😎

Some smartass was on here several weeks ago bragging about how he/she was giving up his/her spot and going to grad school instead. That's the only one I've heard of (though I suspect it was either a lie or a benefit to the school in the long run). Also many of the people who have already been accepted will have had numbers good enough to be competative at other schools. Last year 217 people were accepted. I think that the year started with 167 (correct me if I am wrong), but 8-10 of those were originally in the class of 2009. Dean Andrews told us that he didn't expect them to expand the class any further this year.

Is there a formal (or unspoken) dress code/policy?

When patients or docs come to present a clinical case, we are expected to wear white coats (I hate white coats!), and some people take the added step of wearing a tie/dress. As a minimum in those cases, we are expected to look presentable. I normally just side step it by wearing scrubs.

During lab, you have to wear a lab coat and keep your legs/feet covered.

For a normal lecture, should you choose to attend, I've come in pajamas/do-rag/sweats/T-shirt that says "Recreational Gynecologist" with no ill effect. Just kidding about that last one. You may also wear a stuffed pink pig around your neck during exams.
 
Well I have some free time that I need to kill. exlaw, did you practice as an attorney for a bit between law and med school? If so, what kind of stuff did you do?

Nope. I basically wanted to drop out of law school as soon as I started, but I kept up with it out of some stupid sense of not wanting to be a quitter or whatever. My going was sort of the classic story where I majored in history, which left me with no job prospects, and I did well on the LSAT. So, I thought, hmm, this law school thing might be a good idea. Anyway, after I graduated I decided not to take the bar and to try to figure out something else to do. I wound up working for an insurance company, handling disability insurance claims. That's my boring story. 🙂

So I made a 90.6% on the PCM test. I guess I'm officially stupid. 😱
 
I got a $150 parking ticket for using my expired (recently) handicapped parking permit.


Where the **** are these parking attendants when all the handicapped spots are filled with obese, chain-smoking folks idling in the Wal-mart parking lot?

What a crappy way to end the day.

🙁 That sounds pretty irritating. At least you have 3 weeks off.
 
I got a $150 parking ticket for using my expired (recently) handicapped parking permit.


Where the **** are these parking attendants when all the handicapped spots are filled with obese, chain-smoking folks idling in the Wal-mart parking lot?

What a crappy way to end the day.

I empathize with you. After the Wednesday afternoon cornholing I took on the anatomy practical, I arrived at my car to find a nice scratch on my passenger-side door.

So I made a 90.6% on the PCM test. I guess I'm officially stupid. 😱

86.7%

Is there a formal (or unspoken) dress code/policy?

Actually I will add on that this is one department where we seem to treated well. The dental students patrol the campus in monogrammed scrubs that are color-coded by year. Nursing students, when they do escape from their self-service building, are often found in their clinical maroon scrubs. You usually know a med student by the lack of a uniform, frazzled hair, five o'clock shadow, and/or a large backpack. You also don't see us much working out in the union or in the research buildings unless we are buying a syllabus or reviewing an exam. If you have a preference for females, you will know any of the lovley ladies who post in this thread when you walk past them because your heart rate will noticeable elevate.

In case ya didn't know about wards.... MS=waist length white consultation coat, PGY=staff length monogrammed white coat, attending=long white coat (though I haven't seen a lot of attendings who follow this convention).
 
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