Oklahoma - (Prospective) Class of 2010 part 01

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Abe said:
anyone know of some site that has a little summary on healthcare? I dont have time to read a book right now, and I dont really even know the basics about any of it.
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It's great that you're interested. While there's no guarantee this is something that will get addressed in your interview, as future healthcare professionals I think we have an obligation to understand the system in which we will be working. I don't really know where to begin, specifically, but I do have some general advice that I hope isn't too redundant or obvious.

I'd strongly encourage you to read up on what the general ideas are behind managed care/HMOs, PPOs, Medicaid, and Medicare. Read about JCAHO... tort reform.

I've tried finding a good one-stop source and I haven't been successful yet. Just try googling some of those terms and see what you can come up with. The AAMC and AMA always have good stuff. Just make sure you check your sources. 😉

I have absolutely zero desire to study right now. I am pathetic.
 
Amxcvbcv said:
I'd strongly encourage you to read up on what the general ideas are behind managed care/HMOs, PPOs, Medicaid, and Medicare. Read about JCAHO... tort reform.

I've tried finding a good one-stop source and I haven't been successful yet. Just try googling some of those terms and see what you can come up with. The AAMC and AMA always have good stuff. Just make sure you check your sources. 😉
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wikipedia.org is usually a good place to go for quick general info. by it nature of being a wiki, the material is only as good as the person/people that wrote it. but in my experience, the reliability of info is as good or better than anything else you'll find on the web.
 
Abe said:
anyone know of some site that has a little summary on healthcare? I dont have time to read a book right now, and I dont really even know the basics about any of it.
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I actually found this from following one of amx's links above:
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/4266.html

It is a great (concise) document on health care trends in the 21st century. It discusses medicare, medicaid, access to care, demographics, medical technology, medical education, etc. Here is an excerpt from the abstract:

"...this report provides a description of the critical factors that will likely influence medicine and the delivery of health care in the 21st century. By presenting health care trends and our interpretation of their impact, we hope to stimulate thinking about the direction of change in medicine and how medical associations might work together to shape tomorrow's health system."
 
Hooray!!! I have joined those of you that will be interviewing on December 6th! I can't believe it, I didn't think I'd get interviewed this early. I was pretty thrilled 😀 but now, it's more like... :barf: Interviews = me being nervous. I cannot complain, of course! Yay for OU!!!
 
its so weird how i feel like i know everyone in here but i would really have no idea who you all were on interview day....at least my screenname is pretty obvious...this thread is the greatest...i feel like this is the only place on SDN that is a good use of my time... :laugh:
 
kaykay73 said:
its so weird how i feel like i know everyone in here but i would really have no idea who you all were on interview day....at least my screenname is pretty obvious...this thread is the greatest...i feel like this is the only place on SDN that is a good use of my time... :laugh:
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There's an easy solution to this... everybody just write their SDN screenname on their forehead with a sharpie. That will eliminate any confusion, and I'm sure it will endear you to your interviewers. 😉

Or, I suppose you could always just ask if anybody else uses SDN... you can go with whichever approach you prefer. 👍
 
Antigunner said:
There's an easy solution to this... everybody just write their SDN screenname on their forehead with a sharpie. That will eliminate any confusion, and I'm sure it will endear you to your interviewers. 😉

Or, I suppose you could always just ask if anybody else uses SDN... you can go with whichever approach you prefer. 👍
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Due to my age, you guys likely will not have much difficulty spotting me. If anybody asks me if I'm a visiting parent, I will probably just pass out.
 
okay, i've got a question for you current ou students. i was just interviewing at osucom and several students mentioned that they picked osu over ou because osu had higher board passage rates. is there any truth to that? does ou have low board passage rates? my hunch is no because lots of ou students specialize, which wouldn't be possible with failing board scores. also, my brother garduated in 2001 and didn't know anybody who failed. so is this just an osu rumor or is there some truth to it? please, no flames -- i know ou's a great school that produces really good doctors. 🙂

also, what are the odds of being able to do your last two years in tulsa?

thanks!
 
My first take on the boards score thing is that it is just a rumor. I don't know what the pass rates for OSU students are for the COMLEX or USMLE. If someone else doesn't chime in soon with OU's actual rate, I'll find it for you, though. I know it is something Dr. Hall will address on interview day.

As for the Tulsa option, I checked the composites for this year's 3rd and 4th year classes and there are 31 3rd years doing their clinicals in Tulsa and 24 4th years there. You'll get a brief introduction to the Tulsa campus at orientation next August and much more info when you're a second year. Basically, they take volunteers first for students to fill the Tulsa campus and then they will assign people there as the need arises. Please don't read too much into that, though, because your family situation will weigh heavily on how people get arranged.
 
For those who have already received an interview from OU, what were your stats? I want to know if I’ll be competitive when I apply next year.
 
Nontrad - Are you really old enough to have a kid in med school? If so I really hope we get in. I'm tired of being the oldest! 😀 and I'm just a medium-trad...

Talpa, I'd be more interested in comparing myself to people that get in, not just that receive an interview. So I'll tell you mine when I do...
 
Mr. Freeze said:
Nontrad - Are you really old enough to have a kid in med school? If so I really hope we get in. I'm tired of being the oldest! 😀 and I'm just a medium-trad...

Talpa, I'd be more interested in comparing myself to people that get in, not just that receive an interview. So I'll tell you mine when I do...
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I guess I am, Mr. Freeze. I turned 44 in September - when my dad died a couple of years ago I realized that I could stop postponing my dream of studying medicine or I would regret not trying for the rest of my life. But it's OK - for *me*, this is exactly the right time in my life to study medicine - all the pieces fell into place. I'll practice for 15 or maybe even 20 years and then I'll ride off into the sunset knowing I used every talent I was given.

Actually, I look a little younger today. Last night I shaved off my beard (5 years) and moustache (20 years) for interviews. It's a little itchy and I can barely recognize myself in a mirror.

I hope we get in, too - and good luck to you. I sincerely believe that we second-career folks can make a valuable contribution. And the OU students here have made me believe that we would be welcome!
 
exlawgrrl said:
also, what are the odds of being able to do your last two years in tulsa?
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My understanding is that at least thus far, everybody has gotten to do what they want to. In other words, nobody has been forced to go to Tulsa or to stay in OKC (this is as of last year when I applied - don't know about this year).
 
exlawgrrl said:
okay, i've got a question for you current ou students. i was just interviewing at osucom and several students mentioned that they picked osu over ou because osu had higher board passage rates. is there any truth to that? does ou have low board passage rates? my hunch is no because lots of ou students specialize, which wouldn't be possible with failing board scores. also, my brother garduated in 2001 and didn't know anybody who failed. so is this just an osu rumor or is there some truth to it? please, no flames -- i know ou's a great school that produces really good doctors. 🙂

also, what are the odds of being able to do your last two years in tulsa?

thanks!
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Well I'm imagining they are just referring to the high board passage rate on COMLEX which is one of the highest of the DO schools. Since DO schools don't get reports of USMLE and OU doesn't take COMLEX its hard to compare.
 
mshheaddoc said:
Well I'm imagining they are just referring to the high board passage rate on COMLEX which is one of the highest of the DO schools. Since DO schools don't get reports of USMLE and OU doesn't take COMLEX its hard to compare.
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OSU-COM had a 100% pass rate on the USMLE with the average being higher than the national average for allopathic schools.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
OSU-COM had a 100% pass rate on the USMLE with the average being higher than the national average for allopathic schools.
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how do you know that? Dana assured me that OSU-CHS receives no such reports from USMLE and have no clue what those numbers are. even then, that's a disingenuous comparison since the whole class did not take USMLE. But I’m sure you’re aware of how the selection bias there would tend to lead to falsely elevated numbers even after I bogged them down :laugh: . That being said, I would love to see a straight up comparison.
 
Hernandez said:
how do you know that? Dana assured me that OSU-CHS receives no such reports from USMLE and have no clue what those numbers are. even then, that's a disingenuous comparison since the whole class did not take USMLE. But I’m sure you’re aware of how the selection bias there would tend to lead to falsely elevated numbers even after I bogged them down :laugh: . That being said, I would love to see a straight up comparison.
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SDN Administrator "DrMom" told me this information and has posted it on SDN before.

She also stated that greater than 50% of her class took the USMLE.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
SDN Administrator "DrMom" told me this information and has posted it on SDN before.

She also stated that greater than 50% of her class took the USMLE.
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while that's nice and I respect DrMom, all I'm saying is Dana flat out told me in no uncertain terms that they get NO reports from USMLE, no scores, no averages, etc, so I'm just saying it's hard to imagine where one would get those numbers, unless Dana mispoke of course.

and (>50%) ≠ (100%)
 
Hernandez said:
while that's nice and I respect DrMom, all I'm saying is Dana flat out told me in no uncertain terms that they get NO reports from USMLE, no scores, no averages, etc, so I'm just saying it's hard to imagine where one would get those numbers, unless Dana mispoke of course.

and (>50%) ≠ (100%)
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100% of those that have taken it was the obvious implication.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
100% of those that have taken it was the obvious implication.
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nah, really? It could easily be said that >50% of OU test first time USMLE testers also passed, so what's that say? Not a damn thing, while OSU has a notoriously high COMLEX pass rate, without having a sample size of 100% on USMLE, it's just a breast-beating-look-at-me-and-how-great-my-school-is without noting that it is likely that the very few of those who took USMLE were the weaker students academically.

OSUdoc08 said:
If you think DrMom is lying, then you should talk with her about it, althought I find this highly unlikely.
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All I'm saying is what I was told by a School official, I do not question DrMom's integrity, I do however question your use of incompatible statistics,
 
Bedlam isn't for 2 weeks guys...

I bet your face is cold NonTrad! You'll prolly need some tan-in-a-can so you don't have the reverse 5 o'clock shadow thing goin'.

There was a guy in '05 (or started out anyway) that was 43 when he began the journey. I'm sure there have been many others, but I know someone else in '05 that told me about him when I asked about being older.
 
FWIW, my info came from Poppy & various classmates. (Poppy's the one who said we had a 100% USMLE pass rate).

Big picture: whether or not you pass boards (or do well on them) is *really* up to you. Either OU or OSU will be able to give you a good enough background that you should pass.


*late edit* Talked with the school today & found out that they do get a listing of OSU students who took the USMLE & their scores. It was also confirmed that my info on my class was correct.
 
Non-TradTulsa said:
I guess I am, Mr. Freeze. I turned 44 in September - when my dad died a couple of years ago I realized that I could stop postponing my dream of studying medicine or I would regret not trying for the rest of my life. But it's OK - for *me*, this is exactly the right time in my life to study medicine - all the pieces fell into place. I'll practice for 15 or maybe even 20 years and then I'll ride off into the sunset knowing I used every talent I was given.

Actually, I look a little younger today. Last night I shaved off my beard (5 years) and moustache (20 years) for interviews. It's a little itchy and I can barely recognize myself in a mirror.

I hope we get in, too - and good luck to you. I sincerely believe that we second-career folks can make a valuable contribution. And the OU students here have made me believe that we would be welcome!
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You'll be more than welcome here. Although I don't know precisely how old our non-traditional classmates are (there is definitely more than one), when you hear Deans Schmidt and Hall talk about our demographics they always emphasize that we range from 21 to 40+. 😉
 
Antigunner said:
My understanding is that at least thus far, everybody has gotten to do what they want to. In other words, nobody has been forced to go to Tulsa or to stay in OKC (this is as of last year when I applied - don't know about this year).
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that's good news. i think i'd rather be in tulsa, but it's not like staying in okc for an additional two years would be horrible.
 
I got a reply to my question about interview dates. The late January dates are the only ones I can schedule due to military commitments. Dotty said they've continued to schedule interviews and there is one slot left. I think she means for my original December 1st date and my rescheduling will free up another, but perhaps she means for the late January dates. I don't know.
 
Amxcvbcv said:
At the very least I'll be one of the people checking you all in on the December 6th interview day. 👍
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As far as I know (they haven't gotten back to me for sure), ME TOO!!!!
 
Does anyone else wonder if some of the people who use the mdapplicants thing are lying about their mcat scores or gpa? So far, almost every profile I have seen has an mcat score of above 30 (often higher, with a composition of 11's, 12's, and 13's) and gpa's around 3.9+. I mean, yes, there are a larger number of people out there with those stats, but as far as I know (based on average accepted scores for med schools), they are in the minority. Where are all the kids with the 3.5 gpa and the 26-30 on mcat? Or maybe it is just the people with the super stats that get a profile on there. 🙄
 
jwax...i think SDN is definitely skewed and i think mdapplicants is even worse. i know a lot of people who are applying that have never heard of SDN and if they have, they dont spend enough time on it to actually take the effort of making an mdapplicant profile. i love the people who think they have mediocre stats w/ 30 mcats and 3.8s...im like..."i feel soooooooo bad for you."
 
SDN is depressing, dont look at md profiles lol, even the ppl applying to OU is crazy high, i always shot for a 3.7 and 30 mcat b/c that was the average matriculants stats, so if your around there i think ur in good shape. Anyone else getting nervous about the interview already? This will be my 1st interview, and 3 ppl seems intimidating, im waiting on sdn ppl to post there interview feedback on those earlier interviews plz dont forget =p.
 
Very cool thread, I've actually been stressing for a while now about whether or not to transfer to OU for undergrad to major in neuroscience. Everyone seems to have gushing reviews for the med school, and the in-state advantage thing is sounding good. Maybe I'll see some of you guys around Norman next fall.
 
Amxcvbcv said:
I strongly believe that SDN and MDApplicants do not provide a realistic depiction of who is applying to and attending medical school.

Check this page out...

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/start.htm
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i second this. there is an obvious self-selection problem in posting an mdapplicants profile. people with better numbers are more likely to post a profile. the MSAR is the ultimate reference though. i keep mine in my sig as a reference for information. it might do more harm than good, but mdapps lets people get a look at a part of the admissions process that they otherwise would not have. this thread has been great. thanks to the med students for their input. i wil let everyone know how it goes on the 30th. i hope to do well and i know that if all the posters on this thread get in, we will have a solid class. fingers crossed.
-geoff
 
If these sites gets you down, you can always just look in the mirror and tell yourself "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!"

Ahhh, the days when SNL was still funny... where does the time go? 🙁
 
The funniest part of that vintage SNL had to be Deep Thoughts, but now I can't remember any of 'em...

And for something completely different:

Is the distribution into modules random, or based on something like last name?
 
glp said:
i second this. there is an obvious self-selection problem in posting an mdapplicants profile. people with better numbers are more likely to post a profile. the MSAR is the ultimate reference though. i keep mine in my sig as a reference for information. it might do more harm than good, but mdapps lets people get a look at a part of the admissions process that they otherwise would not have. this thread has been great. thanks to the med students for their input. i wil let everyone know how it goes on the 30th. i hope to do well and i know that if all the posters on this thread get in, we will have a solid class. fingers crossed.
-geoff
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msar and usnews are definitely the most accurate resources. usnews is particularly cool because it tells you how many applicants get interviews, how many that are interviewed are accepted and breaks it down between instate and out-of-state. if you don't have it, i recommend getting it -- it'll make you feel a lot better than mdapplicants.

i post my mdapplicants link because i like it when other people do it. when people post about getting or not getting interviews, etc., it's useful to see their profile. my profile is by no means fantastic for sdn, so i'm not doing it to brag. however, the mdapplicants problem can partly be solved by having the more average applicants post their profiles. it's a useful resource and would be even more useful if there was more diversity in profiles, so i don't think it's totally fair to gripe about mdapplicants if you don't have a profile. it's anonymous, and you don't have to post a link to it. you guys are right that it's always going to be somewhat limited, though, because lots of applicants (perhaps a certain demographic of applicants) don't know about either mdapplicants or sdn.
 
as far as I can tell you, there is a formula that the OU adcom use to screen for gpa/mcat qualifications...after that, it's how you set yourself apart from the others..i.e what makes you interesting....that will get you an interview.
 
Mr. Freeze said:
Is the distribution into modules random, or based on something like last name?
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In previous years, they said it was by alphabet. However, this year they went with some random process. Believe me, it is random, cause we haven't been able to figure out how any of us would have been lumped together.

I LOVE my mod!!! 232222222222222!!! 😍
 
Mr. Freeze said:
The funniest part of that vintage SNL had to be Deep Thoughts, but now I can't remember any of 'em...
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One of my favorites:

"One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. "Oh, no," I said. "Disneyland burned down." He cried and cried, but I think that deep down, he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late." :laugh:

There are some other great ones, too...
 
I finally recieved my interview invite for January 24th. 😀
 
mod232!!!!!!!!! we kick ass. just so u guys know.
 
Just in case all you hopefuls hadn't noticed, a very large percentage of the MSI's helping you out on this board are from mod 232. One of the many reasons that make us the greatest mod on the face of the planet. 😀

MOD PRIDE!!!!!
 
you guys are weird! get back to studying! Can't wait until 11:00 a.m. Monday, well 2:30 Monday. Wish we didn't have anatomy lecture, but I'm glad I don't have to dissect.
232 who? 230 is the rocking mod! :laugh:
 
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