Old but interesting MD,DO

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Interesting to see that allo students aren't completely against it.
 
I dunno who this guy is but has great DO articles n studies on the name changw
 
Interesting proposal with some great solid ideas, but FYI this discussion (with the link as well) is already underway in the pre-osteo forum.
 
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Would make it easier for the general public though, many of whom have no idea, or the wrong idea, about what a DO is.

Considering we spend the majority of school learning medicine and not osteopathy, this would be an appropriate change. Doctor of medicine with a certification in osteopathy, a certification that current MDs can acquire too if they wish. But the old zealots of osteopathy will never let this happen. And this would mean that AOA would dissolve, which is not happening.

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The general public would still be just as confused, sure theyd see the MD, but then the DO tacked on at the end would make them wonder and they would still ask and be confused.

I think it is a terrible idea and doesn't serve to correct anything whatsoever.
 
I dont think

It would look like extra degree

Has sdn done a name change survey

Its suprising to see sdn articles in journals
And to see them referenced lol!!!!!!

Like the omt articles
 
If I remember correctly (someone feel free to say something if I am wrong), the author of this blog was banned from SDN a while back for repeatedly trolling, linking his blog and sockpuppetting.
 
Personally I think it's a stupid idea. "See, we have MD behind our name so you know we're real doctors, but we are precious and unique snowflakes too."

Don't half-ass it. It's all one profession, so just make it all MD's since that's what the general public recognizes.
 
I like the MD-A and MD-O suggestion from a previous thread
 
doublefrick said:
I like the MD-A and MD-O suggestion from a previous thread
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That's a new one to me. And not a bad idea IMO. Outside of an all inclusive MD for everybody, none of the name change ideas have made any sense and simply changes from one initial that the public doesn't understand (DO) to another. This however....

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Pretty sure they would be just as confused by MD-O. I agree with what was said above, tacking on extra letters to MD to make us sound legit by using the MD title, but then also having extra stuff to make us look unique is just plain ridiculous imo.

Either make the DO degree something to be proud of and understood, or drop it and adopt the MD title. This creating a new hybrid title just accomplishes absolutely nothing.
 
K31 said:
Personally I think it's a stupid idea. "See, we have MD behind our name so you know we're real doctors, but we are precious and unique snowflakes too."

Don't half-ass it. It's all one profession, so just make it all MD's since that's what the general public recognizes.
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I completely agree with you. I think being separate is rather confusing for the general public. I told my grandmother I was going to medical school and getting a D.O. and she asked me if I could write prescriptions or work in a hospital. Oh well. A physician is a physician, whether you know manipulations or not.
 
i remember someone suggested

MD, O

then i said

MD O

ahahaha

without MD (the GLOBAL recognition it has) DO will always suffer
 
its supposed to have a large space between the letters...

kinda killed the funny..lol
 
k31 said:
personally i think it's a stupid idea. "see, we have md behind our name so you know we're real doctors, but we are precious and unique snowflakes too."

don't half-ass it. It's all one profession, so just make it all md's since that's what the general public recognizes.
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+1
 
sylvanthus said:
Pretty sure they would be just as confused by MD-O. I agree with what was said above, tacking on extra letters to MD to make us sound legit by using the MD title, but then also having extra stuff to make us look unique is just plain ridiculous imo.

Either make the DO degree something to be proud of and understood, or drop it and adopt the MD title. This creating a new hybrid title just accomplishes absolutely nothing.
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I wonder why it hasn't occurred to the AOA that they could call the degree MD and not change anything else.
 
thepoopologist said:
I wonder why it hasn't occurred to the AOA that they could call the degree MD and not change anything else.
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Maybe because they can't? You can't just award MD's because you want to.

I do think the idea of changing to MDO is not entirely bad as some people here think. It would at least differentiate from Osteopaths in Australia and England that have "DO" but only do manipulations.
 
TriagePreMed said:
Maybe because they can't? You can't just award MD's because you want to.

I do think the idea of changing to MDO is not entirely bad as some people here think. It would at least differentiate from Osteopaths in Australia and England that have "DO" but only do manipulations.
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I think the best thing would be to just merge the AMA and AOA and just have one degree and have OMM be a elective people can take if interested. Furthermore, COCA should probably be eliminated (as I think their method of mass approving DO schools is hurting the profession) and all schools should be accreditted by the LCME. I believe all but a few DO schools would pass accredidation easily.

However, since that would require the AOA to lose it's power - which will never happen- I think it's better for things to stay as is. However, the AOA needs to significantly increase their advertising of what a DO is, there is absolutely no reason more than 50 years after DOs have been accepted as legal, professional, and educational equals for most non-medicine people to have literally never heard of a DO and for many medicine people to be grossly misinformed.

I don't like the idea of the "MD, DO" or "MDO" because the former makes it look like DOs have two degrees and the latter just looks awkward.
 
Sileni said:
I think the best thing would be to just merge the AMA and AOA and just have one degree and have OMM be a elective people can take if interested. Furthermore, COCA should probably be eliminated (as I think their method of mass approving DO schools is hurting the profession) and all schools should be accreditted by the LCME. I believe all but a few DO schools would pass accredidation easily.

However, since that would require the AOA to lose it's power - which will never happen- I think it's better for things to stay as is. However, the AOA needs to significantly increase their advertising of what a DO is, there is absolutely no reason more than 50 years after DOs have been accepted as legal, professional, and educational equals for most non-medicine people to have literally never heard of a DO and for many medicine people to be grossly misinformed.

I don't like the idea of the "MD, DO" or "MDO" because the former makes it look like DOs have two degrees and the latter just looks awkward.
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The "MD, DO" argument is that you'd get a "doctor of medicine" degree and a "diplomate of osteopathy," which would be two degrees. I think MD-O would work the best because you need to differentiate from the Osteopaths that don't study medicine.
 
What's the point of entertaining these conversations? AOA will never approve any of the said suggestions.
 
GTP said:
What's the point of entertaining these conversations? AOA will never approve any of the said suggestions.
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It's good to experience cathartic relief. Anyway the AOA's days are numbered and with it the separate degrees.
 
serenade said:
It's good to experience cathartic relief. Anyway the AOA's days are numbered and with it the separate degrees.
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Why do you say that the AOA's days are numbered? What's going on?
 
great post...

Fergison2 said:
Don't give up so easilty

Unfortunately DO's continue to shoot themselves in the feet on attempts at progress in this area. The reasons for this are primarily due to the boys club structure of the AOA leadership. Its not democratic representation of the DO populations wishes. The AOA is dictated by crusty OMMers and their brain washed spoon fed proteges that lapped up the Kool-Aid.

We are seeing real issues here in terms of DO students being shut out of residencies and ACGME/LCME doing more and more to restrict our access to training and opportunities.

A degree that a designation change is not the ultimate solution but believe that it is a step in the right direction. A step toward more broad recognition of our training and what we actually do vs being represented by a small part of our training.

I have heard a program director state that he wanted to not have as high a number of DO's in the next residency class as to not send a signal of being a weak program.

We are sold the line of "strengthening the DO brand". People, we're not merchandise, we're doctors.

This is not about confidence in ourselves or our training. This is about a designation that recognizes what our training really is. And for those of you impassioned first and second year students being trained in OMM. I know it seems like its really going to be something you use a lot of and that is really significant. I've been hard on OMM, I'll admit for acute musculoskeletal strains I think it has a place in soft tissue work but it's effects and capacities are far overstated and as practicing doctors this one small area of out training should not define our degree designation outright.
I for one have always been in favor of the title MDO as it adds the medical designation but retains the osteopathic portion. I think it is a more accurately representative title.
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This is a very interesting question, in fact, I will just make a poll at the allo board in about 5 minutes!
 
Sileni said:
I think the best thing would be to just merge the AMA and AOA and just have one degree and have OMM be a elective people can take if interested.
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Don't think there's a chance of a merge for a couple decades. It could only happen when current students are in charge. Also, I think it would take a hefty amount of evidence to get OMT certification approved on the MD side if it were to all merge. Not to hate on OMT, but if it had overwhelming evidence to back it up, it'd probably already be taught in MD programs.

I see the solution as merging GME and merging board exams. DOs should take USMLE as the primary exam for licensure and then take a supplemental (shorter) exam for OMT. I don't think there's a need to merge the degree. At this point it's basically the same as a BS vs a BA or MS vs MA. The majority is semantics plus the OMT portion. That'd allow for the distinction that the old line DOs still want and the moving toward a merge that is probably inevitable.
 
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