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tjb said:
Maybe BSSO can add some comments since I met him there.

tjb
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I totally agree with TJB, they really put in a lot of effort to impress us, and everything was very well done. They did show us stats from their last year, and it did seem very well rounded. I too was expecting the worst but was very suprised with how nice they were during the process. They seemed to care a lot about what we've heard about the program and tried to diffuse some rumors that circulate about the program.

I got a great overall impression for the program and staff.
 
OzDDS said:
what is your opinion of Vanderbilt and Knoxville programs? Knoxville has an option of extending the 4 year program at UT memphis to complete an MD. Can you do the same at the UT memphis program itself? UT Mem seems to do more dento alveolar and preprosthetic and implant.. compared to Vanderbilt and Knoxville who do more congenital stuff. Is this correct or am I mistaken in this assumption?
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As a UT-Memphis alumni, I can say that the MD option exists there. This is new in the last couple of years. Also, it's definately a bread-and-butter program. Lots of dentoalveolar, implants, and trauma. No cosmetics or cancer. The residents are really nice and get along great like a family. Knoxville obviously does more cancer with Carlson on staff now. Vanderbilt does no cancer (even thought Boyd is trained in it), but does do a fair amount of cosmetics
 
thanks. i'll actually be there on the 19th.
Doggie said:
La Guardia is the closest.......probably 20 minutes without traffic.

See you here on wednesday.
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toofache32 said:
Sounds like they're pulling out the charm after not matching either spot last year. :laugh:
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For a program not to match, does that mean they reject ALL of the applicants, or does mean there is a shortage of applicants? I have heard this is an increasing trend in OMS nationwide -- any validity to this?
 
Finally heard from UConn
 
Heard from Univ. Minnesota

tjb
 
Did Minnesota call, email or was it a letter?
 
txdent2be2007 said:
For a program not to match, does that mean they reject ALL of the applicants, or does mean there is a shortage of applicants? I have heard this is an increasing trend in OMS nationwide -- any validity to this?
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Little complicated but here's a shot, what is means is that nobody that they even ranked, ranked them number one, they may have ranked them at some point in their list but the applicants who ranked them got a better choice on their rank list than where they had MGH ranked.

Oh my goodness that sounds confusing.

Ok match is not perfect but its the best we got. It may not look it but it actually does favor the applicant. I was worried as hell last year, but i got first pick, so I was very relieved, and so did the other person from my school who matched. In fact match gave us a statistic that 90 something percent of people match ether 1,2,or 3 of their rank list, and from the friends i made on the interview circuit that statement holds true because most of them matched those spots.

Good luck.
 
Qweedo and Thighman both are OMFS applicants

Eygpt, Indonesia, and New Foundland are all OMFS residencies where Qweedo and Thighman interviewed at

Qweedo ranked
Indonesia #1
Eygpt #2
New Foundland #3

Thighman ranked
Indonesia #1
New Foundland #2
Eygpt #3

Eygpt ranked
Thighman #1
Qweedo #2

Indonesia ranked
Qweedo #1
Thighman #2

New Foundland ranked
Qweedo #1
Thighman #2

Computer matching starts:

Computer will first attempt to match Qweedo
-since Qweedo's #1 choice is Indonesia, the computer will fill that spot for now
-now the computer will look at who Indonesia ranked #1?
-to computer's surprise both Qweedo and Indonesia ranked each other #1, we have a "MATCH" for Qweedo and Indonesia residency

Computer will now attempt to match Thighman
-Thighman's #1 choice is also Indonesia
-but since Indonesia's #1 is Qweedo, Thighman is out of luck
-computer then will go to Thighman's 2nd choice, which is New Foundland
-New Foundland wants Qweedo as their #1 choice, but Qweedo is already taken by Indonesia (Qweedo is off the table)
-computer will then go to New Foundland's 2nd choice, which is Thighman
-since both Thighman and New Foundland's first choice is not available and they both just happen to want one another as their 2nd choice, we have a "MATCH"

Now the poor Egypt residency is "UNMATCHED" because both applicants "matched" before they even got to Egypt in the ranking order
-Qweedo wanted Indonesia as #1 and Indonesia wanted Qweedo as their #1 (Qweedo's gone)
-Thighman also wanted Indonesia as #1, but Qweedo took it, and then wanted New Foundland as #2, just so happens that New Foundland couldn't get their first choice either and have to settle for their #2 choice, Thighman (Thighman's gone)
Egypt is left with no applicants left.

If Thighman would've ranked Egypt #2 instead of New Foundland #2, then Thighman would've matched at Egypt because Egypt ranked Thighman #1

Qweedo - Indonesia
Thighman - New Foundland

Egypt = pissed off and will attempt post-match via phone calls and emails

This is only one scenario of what match can do. Hope it helps.
 
Yah-E said:
Did Minnesota call, email or was it a letter?
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I received a phone call.

tjb
 
Just heard from Cornell and UMKC.
Still waiting on UConn/UNC/Buffalo

tjb
 
😕 does anyone know about UT Houston program???
😕 😕 😕
 
Yah-E said:
Qweedo and Thighman both are OMFS applicants

Eygpt, Indonesia, and New Foundland are all OMFS residencies where Qweedo and Thighman interviewed at

Qweedo ranked
Indonesia #1
Eygpt #2
New Foundland #3

Thighman ranked
Indonesia #1
New Foundland #2
Eygpt #3

Eygpt ranked
Thighman #1
Qweedo #2

Indonesia ranked
Qweedo #1
Thighman #2

New Foundland ranked
Qweedo #1
Thighman #2

Computer matching starts:

Computer will first attempt to match Qweedo
-since Qweedo's #1 choice is Indonesia, the computer will fill that spot for now
-now the computer will look at who Indonesia ranked #1?
-to computer's surprise both Qweedo and Indonesia ranked each other #1, we have a "MATCH" for Qweedo and Indonesia residency

Computer will now attempt to match Thighman
-Thighman's #1 choice is also Indonesia
-but since Indonesia's #1 is Qweedo, Thighman is out of luck
-computer then will go to Thighman's 2nd choice, which is New Foundland
-New Foundland wants Qweedo as their #1 choice, but Qweedo is already taken by Indonesia (Qweedo is off the table)
-computer will then go to New Foundland's 2nd choice, which is Thighman
-since both Thighman and New Foundland's first choice is not available and they both just happen to want one another as their 2nd choice, we have a "MATCH"

Now the poor Egypt residency is "UNMATCHED" because both applicants "matched" before they even got to Egypt in the ranking order
-Qweedo wanted Indonesia as #1 and Indonesia wanted Qweedo as their #1 (Qweedo's gone)
-Thighman also wanted Indonesia as #1, but Qweedo took it, and then wanted New Foundland as #2, just so happens that New Foundland couldn't get their first choice either and have to settle for their #2 choice, Thighman (Thighman's gone)
Egypt is left with no applicants left.

If Thighman would've ranked Egypt #2 instead of New Foundland #2, then Thighman would've matched at Egypt because Egypt ranked Thighman #1

Qweedo - Indonesia
Thighman - New Foundland

Egypt = pissed off and will attempt post-match via phone calls and emails

This is only one scenario of what match can do. Hope it helps.
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Thanks, though I don't think I understand it any better now -- has it always been this complicated? I know med students go through this for med school and residencies, but wouldn't it be easier just to apply directly and if you get several acceptance offers, pick your top choice?
 
Yah-E said:
Qweedo and Thighman both are OMFS applicants

Eygpt, Indonesia, and New Foundland are all OMFS residencies where Qweedo and Thighman interviewed at

Qweedo ranked
Indonesia #1
Eygpt #2
New Foundland #3

Thighman ranked
Indonesia #1
New Foundland #2
Eygpt #3

Eygpt ranked
Thighman #1
Qweedo #2

Indonesia ranked
Qweedo #1
Thighman #2

New Foundland ranked
Qweedo #1
Thighman #2

Computer matching starts:

Computer will first attempt to match Qweedo
-since Qweedo's #1 choice is Indonesia, the computer will fill that spot for now
-now the computer will look at who Indonesia ranked #1?
-to computer's surprise both Qweedo and Indonesia ranked each other #1, we have a "MATCH" for Qweedo and Indonesia residency

Computer will now attempt to match Thighman
-Thighman's #1 choice is also Indonesia
-but since Indonesia's #1 is Qweedo, Thighman is out of luck
-computer then will go to Thighman's 2nd choice, which is New Foundland
-New Foundland wants Qweedo as their #1 choice, but Qweedo is already taken by Indonesia (Qweedo is off the table)
-computer will then go to New Foundland's 2nd choice, which is Thighman
-since both Thighman and New Foundland's first choice is not available and they both just happen to want one another as their 2nd choice, we have a "MATCH"

Now the poor Egypt residency is "UNMATCHED" because both applicants "matched" before they even got to Egypt in the ranking order
-Qweedo wanted Indonesia as #1 and Indonesia wanted Qweedo as their #1 (Qweedo's gone)
-Thighman also wanted Indonesia as #1, but Qweedo took it, and then wanted New Foundland as #2, just so happens that New Foundland couldn't get their first choice either and have to settle for their #2 choice, Thighman (Thighman's gone)
Egypt is left with no applicants left.

If Thighman would've ranked Egypt #2 instead of New Foundland #2, then Thighman would've matched at Egypt because Egypt ranked Thighman #1

Qweedo - Indonesia
Thighman - New Foundland

Egypt = pissed off and will attempt post-match via phone calls and emails

This is only one scenario of what match can do. Hope it helps.
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I assume this is only true if Indonesia has only one spot. What if Indonesia had two spots? Would they both end up there?
 
txdent2be2007 said:
Thanks, though I don't think I understand it any better now -- has it always been this complicated? I know med students go through this for med school and residencies, but wouldn't it be easier just to apply directly and if you get several acceptance offers, pick your top choice?
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The match was created to prevent the problems that arise from just picking your top choice. In the old days, a program with 1 spot would send out 1 acceptance letters, and usually make them decide in 1 week. The applicants would always accept, but then they would back out if they got a better acceptance letter later. This would leave the first program without a resident, and they would have to scramble for one late in the game, because this would continue until residents quit backing out on their acceptances.

The match was created for a computer to simulate this whole mess I just made up, but to get it done by a pre-determined date which everyone agrees to.
 
any advise on which decently priced motel to stay for LSU NO?
 
Another reason why the match exists is that there are only so many operable cases per type per school. With medical or dental school admissions, if one extra person matriculates out of everyone accepted, it's no biggie to fit them in a lecture hall or to have an extra set of hands in the clinic. If the process were the same for residency, it would be chaos. If the number of slots varied, you could have too few residents (=overworked, too much call, etc.) or too many residents (=fewer cases per resident = crappy training). Even one extra resident per program could throw the delicate caseload balance completely off.
 
Add Thomas Jefferson University and Seton Hall University to the list...

Anyone knows anything about those two programs...??
 
toofache32 said:
The match was created to prevent the problems that arise from just picking your top choice. In the old days, a program with 1 spot would send out 1 acceptance letters, and usually make them decide in 1 week. The applicants would always accept, but then they would back out if they got a better acceptance letter later. This would leave the first program without a resident, and they would have to scramble for one late in the game, because this would continue until residents quit backing out on their acceptances.

The match was created for a computer to simulate this whole mess I just made up, but to get it done by a pre-determined date which everyone agrees to.
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Toofache32, I see you've been trying to post my likeness while I am defenseless aka banned(omsres=omfsres). Now I'm back so if you got something bring it on.
 
omfsres said:
Toofache32, I see you've been trying to post my likeness while I am defenseless aka banned(omsres=omfsres). Now I'm back so if you got something bring it on.
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How did you get banned? Did it involve the Moderator's daughter again?
 
toofache32 said:
How did you get banned? Did it involve the Moderator's daughter again?
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NO it got out that he has a criminal history involving little boys.
 
When interviewing for an OMFS residency, when we are shown the log book of all the procedures that the residents did the previous year, what should we be looking for? What is a good number of different types of procedures? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
1-16-17-32 said:
When interviewing for an OMFS residency, when we are shown the log book of all the procedures that the residents did the previous year, what should we be looking for? What is a good number of different types of procedures? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I'd just keep a record for each of the places you interview at, then compare them to each other at the end, leaning to the one that has the most of what you want to do...(or most of everything)
 
Does it really matter wether the program in LEVEL 1 or LEVEL 2 trauma center? and is it true that LEVEL 1 trauma hospitals are always better than LEVEL 2 in term of OMFS training?!
thanx a bunch in advance.
 
Has anyone hear from San Antonio yet? 😕
 
MAX-it said:
Does it really matter wether the program in LEVEL 1 or LEVEL 2 trauma center? and is it true that LEVEL 1 trauma hospitals are always better than LEVEL 2 in term of OMFS training?!
thanx a bunch in advance.
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If a hospital is not level 1, then much of your trauma will be sent somewhere else that is level 1. This is not really critical for trauma training because facial fractures are rarely life-threatening emergencies and can often be dealt with in a level 2 setting. However, you will probably miss other level 1 stuff like doing frontal sinus obliterations with neurosurgery, etc.
 
toofache32 said:
If a hospital is not level 1, then much of your trauma will be sent somewhere else that is level 1. This is not really critical for trauma training because facial fractures are rarely life-threatening emergencies and can often be dealt with in a level 2 setting. However, you will probably miss other level 1 stuff like doing frontal sinus obliterations with neurosurgery, etc.
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"with neurosurgery" ??? I did an externship at UT parkland 2 years ago and you guys didnt do them with neuro then. Do you now? Dr. Ellis did them by himself. He was doing some research about pedicled cranial periosteal flaps used to obliterate the sinus. Although when isn't Dr. Ellis doing research?

Cool surgery.
 
north2southOMFS said:
"with neurosurgery" ??? I did an externship at UT parkland 2 years ago and you guys didnt do them with neuro then. Do you now? Dr. Ellis did them by himself. He was doing some research about pedicled cranial periosteal flaps used to obliterate the sinus. Although when isn't Dr. Ellis doing research?

Cool surgery.
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I guess I meant the posterior table fractures protruding into the brain with dural tears and crazy stuff like that. Your right, we don't always involve neurosurgery. These cases are the exceptions which most guys don't want to be involved with after residency anyway, unless you're wanting to do academics like me. My point was that we get these cases shipped in from outside level 2 and lower hospitals. If you're training at one of those hospitals, then many of those cases you won't see because they leave the ER as fast as they came in. It's usually not the face trauma, but the more critical abdominal/thoracic injuries that get them sent to a level 1 center. Isolated facial fractures should be fine in a level 2, I would guess.

Case Western comes to mind in that they are level 2 (except the children's hospital is level 1). I interviewed there and it seemed like they didn't do too much trauma, which in my opinion is invaluable in learning to operate. But that's just my opinion. Big H&N whacks are another great way, but we don't do that at my program. I wish we did.
 
toofache32 said:
Big H&N whacks are another great way, but we don't do that at my program. I wish we did.
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Be careful what you wish for, have you ever stood for like 9-11 hours of those surgeries?🙂 Its Painful.
 
I've been hearing by many people that Ellis may leave parkland? I heared that when Emory position opened up, it was him and Roser that applied to the position. How is that faculty situation at parkland? Is it stable?
 
Hey there fellas....

For those of you who are applying to 6yr MD/OMFS track at Loma Linda, have you guys received the medical school application yet? I've been hearing that some people have received theirs already, whereas none of us from USC have received theres....I contacted LLU and the reply I got was that they have no control over what the medical center does? WTF does that mean? 😕
 
WestCoast said:
I've been hearing by many people that Ellis may leave parkland? I heared that when Emory position opened up, it was him and Roser that applied to the position. How is that faculty situation at parkland? Is it stable?
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I've been hearing this for years now. Once or twice a year he will go interview somewhere, but it's only places where his buddies work and he comes back not too excited. I think it's just a way to get free airfare and hotel to go hang out with his friends. I also don't think too many places can offer him the same freedom, salary, and research opportunities all in one place that he has now. But even if he did leave, the program is overflowing with 8 other full-time staff (including a fellowship-trained cosmetics guy who started this year), and accredidation is never going to be an issue. I would be careful around those programs like Allegheny who have only one full timer in the whole program, because if they jump ship you risk being hung out to dry in a program that has lost it's accredidation. At least that's how it was when I interviewed.

This is the same reason Ellis lectures around the country so much...he's not allowed (by UT Southwestern) to recieve payment for off-campus lectures, so he just asks for first-class air travel, nice hotel, etc. to make it like a vacation in places where his friends live.
 
Anyone hear from Mount Sinai yet.
 
After talking with my upper classmen (D4s) recently who had applied to Ortho residencies, 3 out of 5 applied to Ortho this year were offered a NON-MATCH spots just this past week (Loma Linda, Univ. Minnesota, and Nova), it had made me wonder.....

Who are some of the NON-MATCH OMFS residencies out there?

Have somebody been offered a spot yet from those NON-MATCH residencies this early of the Post-grad application process?
 
I reviewed the list of accredited OMFS programs and the list of the OMFS programs that participate in the MATCH.

There seems to be only 1 program that does not participate in the MATCH and its Meharry Medical College, in TN.

It is likely that they participate but are not listed.

Thus, all OMFS programs participate in the MATCH.


Yah-E said:
After talking with my upper classmen (D4s) recently who had applied to Ortho residencies, 3 out of 5 applied to Ortho this year were offered a NON-MATCH spots just this past week (Loma Linda, Univ. Minnesota, and Nova), it had made me wonder.....

Who are some of the NON-MATCH OMFS residencies out there?

Have somebody been offered a spot yet from those NON-MATCH residencies this early of the Post-grad application process?
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did anyone interview at UMKC yesterday and if so how was it? what was the format? any insight on the program?
 
Yah-E said:
After talking with my upper classmen (D4s) recently who had applied to Ortho residencies, 3 out of 5 applied to Ortho this year were offered a NON-MATCH spots just this past week (Loma Linda, Univ. Minnesota, and Nova), it had made me wonder.....

Who are some of the NON-MATCH OMFS residencies out there?

Have somebody been offered a spot yet from those NON-MATCH residencies this early of the Post-grad application process?
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Most non-MATCH prog.'s already notified who they want, i.e. the non-MATCH ortho programs, many endo prog.'s, and many perio prog.'s
 
BSSO said:
Anyone hear from Mount Sinai yet.
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Mt. Sinai interviews are supposed to be 12/20 & 12/21. I think they are going to be mailing letters for interview invites, at least that's what I gathered when I talked to the residency coordinator late last week. They just took the stack of applications last week to review them.

(I am not an OMFS applicant, just a current GPR at Mt. Sinai.)
 
I was asked on my interview if I would like to do any fellowships after residency! has any been asked the same question before? I think I would start thinking about fellowships on the day after match day but not now.
 
MAX-it said:
I was asked on my interview if I would like to do any fellowships after residency! has any been asked the same question before? I think I would start thinking about fellowships on the day after match day but not now.
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That is actually a good response to the question "Why do you want to get your MD"...stating you might be interested in completing a post-residency fellowship. An MD is virtually required to make you competitive in the major accredited ones. If you do say that however, you'd better know the different types and locations and something about them. Worked well in my interviews.
 
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