OMFS Competition

[Reconabe]

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OK here goes...

This is my first post, can anyone answer my question about an OMFS residency. I know of ( or heard at least) about the most competitive OMFS residencies. Now my question is this:

I look like $h!t on paper. I love oral surgery. I want to do what it takes to get in. I know I may have to do a GPR for a year (or maybe two). I wouldnt mind having to skip any extra years. Does anyone know if there are any programs that are not as competitive?

 

[Yah-E]

Are you graduating in 2007 or did you already graduate? Don't do GPRs, do one-year OMFS internships (better training and better chances of matching next round).

There are no "not competitive" OMFS programs out there.

 

[Reconabe]

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[Reconabe]

Graduating 07. Thanks for the tip, this brings up the next question. I only know of one OMFS intern program. do you know of any others?

 

[tx oms]

Are you graduating in 2007 or did you already graduate? Don't do GPRs, do one-year OMFS internships (better training and better chances of matching next round).

There are no "not competitive" OMFS programs out there.

Except New Orleans and Parkland.

 

[Reconabe]

Is New orleans under water? what about parkland? where is that?

 

[Extraction]

Is New orleans under water? what about parkland? where is that?

New Orlean is few hours south and Parkland is a few hours west of some armpit of a city called shreveport. I hear they have a good ENT and Plastic department there, but all the local are congenitally missing their teeth due to inbreeding so there is no oral surgery program there.

 

[Doggie]

New Orlean is few hours south and Parkland is a few hours west of some armpit of a city called shreveport. I hear they have a good ENT and Plastic department there, but all the local are congenitally missing their teeth due to inbreeding so there is no oral surgery program there.

I heard parkland is horrible.

 

[toofache32]

I heard parkland is horrible.

....and they make the residents do awful things with goats in the call room involving a bottle of ether...

 

[Yah-E]

Is New orleans under water?

As matter of fact we are. I heard just the other day, LSU OMFS at New Orleans removed 6 months of OMFS services to integrate Deep Sea Diving training. All residents graduating from 2007 on will be deep sea diving certified and advance training in under water rescue. Further, 3 months of General Surgery was also eliminated to accommodate boat-building and life-raft blowing simulations.

I can't wait! I am so pumped!

 

[Extraction]

As matter of fact we are. I heard just the other day, LSU OMFS at New Orleans removed 6 months of OMFS services to integrate Deep Sea Diving training. All residents graduating from 2007 on will be deep sea diving certified and advance training in under water rescue. Further, 3 months of General Surgery was also eliminated to accommodate boat-building and life-raft blowing simulations.

I can't wait! I am so pumped!

Just watch out for those jaguar sharks...

 

[ihateteeth]

short list of programs that take interns

Parkland
Shreveport
Iowa
Medical College of WI
UIC?
Carle Clinic
Emory
Pitt

 

[toofache32]

http://www.aaoms.org/Residency/PDF/Internships.pdf

 

[esclavo]

OK here goes...

This is my first post, can anyone answer my question about an OMFS residency. I know of ( or heard at least) about the most competitive OMFS residencies. Now my question is this:

I look like $h!t on paper. I love oral surgery. I want to do what it takes to get in. I know I may have to do a GPR for a year (or maybe two). I wouldnt mind having to skip any extra years. Does anyone know if there are any programs that are not as competitive?

Retake part 1 dental boards until you get a 90 or above.

 

[north2southOMFS]

Is New orleans under water? what about parkland?

Parkland is under water also.

There are like a billion places that take interns, just call every program you'd like to match or didn't match at and ask them if you can intern for a year. Not everyone advertises their internship, a lot of places favor their intern for the next year if you don't suck.

And like El Sclavo said above, take your part one boards again and get a 90 or higher.

And during your interview, be sure to make denigrating comments about periodontists, such as "those gum gardeners......", or "those hygenists on steroids......" etc........This will get you into good favor with most attending OMFS guys.

 

[ihateteeth]

90 or above on part I--> absolutely helpful and increases your chances...but NOT necessary. for some, it may pay to focus your energy/time building your CV elsewehere, rather than banging your head against a cement wall and re-taking part I until you get > 90.

 

[AUG2UAG]

how do you get above 90 on part I after you've graduated?

 

[Doggie]

As matter of fact we are. I heard just the other day, LSU OMFS at New Orleans removed 6 months of OMFS services to integrate Deep Sea Diving training. All residents graduating from 2007 on will be deep sea diving certified and advance training in under water rescue. Further, 3 months of General Surgery was also eliminated to accommodate boat-building and life-raft blowing simulations.

I can't wait! I am so pumped!

Do they make you repair broken fish mandibles?

 

[toofache32]

how do you get above 90 on part I after you've graduated?

Ummm retake it?

 

[toofache32]

Do they make you repair broken fish mandibles?

Funniest thing I've read here in a long time!! Especially from a guy learning about heart murmers right now....

 

[Yah-E]

Do they make you repair broken fish mandibles?

Shoot Doggie, we learn how to cook them, you should know that. We cook fish mandibles and eat them. Yum...

 

[AUG2UAG]

honestly, what study tactic do you recommend for someone who's already graduated and has to relearn year 1 & 2 minutia for the boards?

i can't see how, if you scored not well the first time around (when you had all the classes fresh in your mind), you could score well the second time around... especially after you've graduated!

 

[esclavo]

honestly, what study tactic do you recommend for someone who's already graduated and has to relearn year 1 & 2 minutia for the boards?

i can't see how, if you scored not well the first time around (when you had all the classes fresh in your mind), you could score well the second time around... especially after you've graduated!

True but tell me what other measuring device helps you compare all of your applicants from various schools, various backgrounds, and experiences? I think you'll find that part I national boards is probably the most important criteria for OMFs residency, not the only but the most weighted...I have watched people with internships not be able to overcome their low part I board scores....sad to do that year of work and not attack or fix the weakness in ones application. "Internship helps but it doesn't cover a multitude of sins" as one wise program director told me...

 

[boobah]

True but tell me what other measuring device helps you compare all of your applicants from various schools, various backgrounds, and experiences? I think you'll find that part I national boards is probably the most important criteria for OMFs residency, not the only but the most weighted...I have watched people with internships not be able to overcome their low part I board scores....sad to do that year of work and not attack or fix the weakness in ones application. "Internship helps but it doesn't cover a multitude of sins" as one wise program director told me...

What about the situation where a student has no externships during dental school, but good grades with a part I >90?

 

[esclavo]

What about the situation where a student has no externships during dental school, but good grades with a part I >90?

Do some externships, get letters of recs from all academic OMFs attendings and you'll be set....unless you are a ***** and that gets out in your interview. Barring that, you can't do more in your situation!

 

[AUG2UAG]

True but tell me what other measuring device helps you compare all of your applicants from various schools, various backgrounds, and experiences?

part II national boards

jk, thanks for the feedback

 

[scalpel2008]

OK here goes...

This is my first post, can anyone answer my question about an OMFS residency. I know of ( or heard at least) about the most competitive OMFS residencies. Now my question is this:

I look like $h!t on paper. I love oral surgery. I want to do what it takes to get in. I know I may have to do a GPR for a year (or maybe two). I wouldnt mind having to skip any extra years. Does anyone know if there are any programs that are not as competitive?

I agree with the folks telling you that an internship is the way to go. If you are tough enough to handle a year of being scum at the very bottom of the barrell with a good attitude (at most times, atleast) and work ethic, you can overcome some of the shortcomings in your application. I've seen people who are great on paper but get burned due to a lack of common sense. Good luck and see you on the interview circuit in the near future.

 

[esclavo]

part II national boards

jk, thanks for the feedback

part II is too narrow in bredth of knowledge. Part I is more applicable especially for OMFS.

 

[Doggie]

I've seen people who are great on paper but get burned due to a lack of common sense.

Extraction managed to slip through the cracks. 👍

 

[Extraction]

Extraction managed to slip through the cracks. 👍

Yep. I'm living proof if you shotgun the match you might get a spot. Lucky number 13/13 on my match list. And I've got studs like Doggie to hold sticks and tell me what to do when I'm chief to boot. He is going to have forearms like Popeye after his 5th year....

 

[toofache32]

...He is going to have forearms like Popeye after his 5th year....

....but for other reasons.

 

[dddmd]

I just heard that there's an opening for OMFS internship at Mt.Sinai. If any of you guys are interested in going into OMFS residency, this is a good place as I heard they have a pretty good track record of getting their interns into OMFS programs. Also they allow interns to place implants at the affiliated VA hospital (thanks to our government 🙂.

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

I just heard that there's an opening for OMFS internship at Mt.Sinai. If any of you guys are interested in going into OMFS residency, this is a good place as I heard they have a pretty good track record of getting their interns into OMFS programs. Also they allow interns to place implants at the affiliated VA hospital (thanks to our government 🙂.

The only catch is that they're penile implants...false advertising if you ask me...

 

[LSU-Cowboy]

Except New Orleans and Parkland.

You're such a comededian....

 

[Cold Front]

short list of programs that take interns

Parkland
Shreveport
Iowa
Medical College of WI
UIC?
Carle Clinic
Emory
Pitt

When is an ideal time to do the internships? after 1st/2nd/3rd years?

 

[toofache32]

When is an ideal time to do the internships? after 1st/2nd/3rd years?

Yes.

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

Yes.

Awesome answer...

 

[Doggie]

Awesome answer...

Yes...

 

[Cold Front]

Yes.

Yes?

to which year? 1st, 2nd or 3rd? or for all? 🙂

 

[toofache32]

Yes?

to which year? 1st, 2nd or 3rd? or for all? 🙂

I did all 3, but the first summer was a waste because I didn't know what was going on. Some people would say that description still fits me. I would wait until you've had some clinical exposure first. Maybe after the second year. Definately during/after the 3rd year.

 

[ihateteeth]

When is an ideal time to do the internships? after 1st/2nd/3rd years?

make sure you dont confuse internship with externship. in OMS an "internship" is a year long position (usually paid) completed after graduating dental school. An "externship" is a 1-4 week visit/experience with a program that you are interested in, usually completed during dental school( 1st/2nd/3rd years).

 

[scalpel2008]

When is an ideal time to do the internships? after 1st/2nd/3rd years?

I used to think that it would only be useful during/after your third year because of some clinical experience, but we had a second year who did an externship last year. we taught him how to give blocks , pull teeth, scrub in and retract in the OR, etc 👍 . By his second week, he was working indepedently in our clinic and having a blast in the OR while his classmates were trying to figure out how to set up the mannequin and switch teeth out on the typodont 👎 . But I will say that if you have to choose one time period, do it during your third year to give it your best shot at impressing the program; also you will have a better idea of what's going on so you can make the most of it from day 1. Either way, dental school will not prepare you enough for any of the procedures you will do during your externship. You can't spend 30 minutes 😴 taking a tooth out in a busy OMS clinic (because someone will poke their head in and ask you how the double jaw surgery is coming along, how is the free flap harvest turning out, or something smarta$$ like that. we usually reserve those comments for the interns but externs aren't totally spared either )