Oms Vs Ms Vs M

[newyorkcougar]

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Which do you prefer? The AOA is pushing really hard to get osteopathic students to use OMS after their names, but MS seems to persist. What do you use?

 

[FutureDoc2011]

What do they stand for?

 

[JonnyG]

IF a hospital uses MS (med student) you are suppose to use it. OMS (osteopathic medical student) is suppose to be used all the time in preclinical years. I perfer MS because i feel it is standard. I have no problem telling people i go to an osteopathic medical school. I only use OMS during standardized patient encounters where my note is graded.

If they want to improve the idenity of osteopathic schools I think they should spend their time on something other than this.

 

[babyruth]

Some schools are even using CCS-3 or CCS-4; think it stands for clinical care student or something like that? I had it explained to me but can't remember what or why (the 3rd year becomes a blur) they use it. It was an allo school and had something to do with not getting mixed up with the PA, nursing, and other students involved at that school/hospital.

 

[NYCPRDOC]

Some schools are even using CCS-3 or CCS-4; think it stands for clinical care student or something like that?

I don't even know where to begin...that's just ******ed.

 

[jonb12997]

the WHOLE OMS vs. MS thing is probably one of the most crazy thing that the AOA has come up with... of course, we can't spend our time worrying about the silly little things like the lack of primary care physicians in the near future or the lack of residency spots... that would be rediculous. We have to worry about what they think our Medical students should be called. 🙁

 

[hyperbaric]

If they want to improve the idenity of osteopathic schools I think they should spend their time on something other than this.

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I use MS because 1) it is standard and 2) to defy the AOA.

 

[BklynWill]

I don't use "MS" anymore since I realized that I am no longer supposed to be a "medical student" while on rotations.

Now I usually end my notes with:

BklynWill, That's OSTEOPATHIC Medical Student to ya' buddy. (Since the AOA does a poor job of informing the public about Osteopathic Medicine, I have to use this patient's chart to gratuitously advertise my profession.)

 

[Krazykritter]

I am glad to see that most everyone thinks that this OMS business is ridiculous. I recently mentioned this to a few physicians & they said that they will start kicking butts if their medical students start using this arbitruary designation. Funniest thing to hear was how irritated one of the residents said they would be b/c some nurse doesn't know what OMS is and pages them in the middle of the night b/c they don't know who this person is...I could totally see that happening.

If the AOA wants to promote us as equals to MDs, they need to drop the bull**** of the 'osteopathic identifier.' In the real world, no one cares.

 

[JonnyG]

If the AOA wants to promote us as equals to MDs, they need to drop the bull**** of the 'osteopathic identifier.' In the real world, no one cares.

But then what would they do

 

[Nate]

I don't see allopathic students using AMS. This is such a waste of resources as most things the AOA seems to do.

Nate, MSII

 

[PassingDays11]

I don't see allopathic students using AMS. This is such a waste of resources as most things the AOA seems to do.

Nate, MSII

My sentiments exactly.

 

[PassingDays11]

I don't see allopathic students using AMS.

Nate, MSII

My sentiments exactly.

 

[FutureNavyDOc]

My sentiments exactly.

Great point!


I use MS and will continue to continue doing so unless an attending specifically tells me not to.


Maybe if the AOA actually listened to the osteopathic med students and gave us a combined match like an overwhelming majority desire, then students would listen to the AOA

 

[jrf331]

Great point!


I use MS and will continue to continue doing so unless an attending specifically tells me not to.


Maybe if the AOA actually listened to the osteopathic med students and gave us a combined match like an overwhelming majority desire, then students would listen to the AA

Good point navy doc,
The AOA needs to hire some individuals that actually have brains. This one is almost as bad as trying to get a DO on network television. Boy, that was a great idea !!!!

 

[Dr JPH]

I had a really good reply to this and then I hit send but it never went through.

So, I will abbreviate it:

No one knows what "OMS" means
Everyone knows what "MS" means
No one cares what the note says unless it says "MD" or "DO" after it

I use MS

Pushing the issue of using "OMS" is like peeing in the ocean. It only warms the people right next to you.

I dont know if that made any sense. Whatever. Long day!

 

[newyorkcougar]

I am so sick of all of this semantic crap the AOA loves to push. I am flatly refusing to use OMS. It's silly. The AOA should put more effort into trying to improve osteopathic education and less into trying to brand it.

 

[USArmyDoc]

MS.....I can't stand the dichotomy they try to make. We are all medical students!

 

[badgas]

😡 such a bunch of garbage. i still remember the speech about it we got from the AOA president a year or two ago that started this. it was the worst speech i ever heard. honestly, it was like arguing with a 4 year old. you can bet that i will be donating every dime i have to the AOA so they can employ crackheads and spend all their time trying to bicker with the AMA.

 

[FutureNavyDOc]

Would any of the 10 people who voted for OMS mind explaining their vote?

 

[badgas]

Would any of the 10 people who voted for OMS mind explaining their vote?

At our school, the underclassmen are told that they are OMS's. They haven't been dealing with the AOA long enough to know any better.

 

[Dr JPH]

Would any of the 10 people who voted for OMS mind explaining their vote?

Why? And open themselves up to be attacked?

The way Pro-DO, Pro-OMM and Pro-AOA people are treated around here (witch doctors, naive, delusional, etc) I'm not suprised they havent defended their vote.

 

[FutureNavyDOc]

Why? And open themselves up to be attacked?

The way Pro-DO, Pro-OMM and Pro-AOA people are treated around here (witch doctors, naive, delusional, etc) I'm not suprised they havent defended their vote.

Ahhh yes, the old cower in shame and hide defense for fear of someone disagreeing with you.

Invented by the French, perfected in America. 😀

 

[Nate]

I agree that the newer classes are just accepting the title given to them because they don't know another. Our school started putting OMS on everything this year and the new class seems to just accept it (what can they do anyway?)

I am fine with being a DO candidate but as I said the OMS thing is just nonsense.

 

[Jamers]

Ahhh yes, the old cower in shame and hide defense for fear of someone disagreeing with you.

Invented by the French, perfected in America. 😀

The French do not cower in fear! They just throw up the white flag or build giantic "defensive walls" that do not enclose the entire country. Can anyone say poor planning?

Anyways, I have to agree. I had OMS as my signature and I didn't even realize. I was just so used to seeing it all over the emails that I put it down. Damn brain washing.

 

[xTinaBna]

just a question, if your med school uses OMS, are you not allowed to use the MS? or does it only matter what a hospital uses to title you? thanks 🙂

 

[Dr JPH]

Ahhh yes, the old cower in shame and hide defense for fear of someone disagreeing with you.

I dont think its cowering in fear. Any observant person can see the types of "discussions" that turn into small "disagreements" and then get blown up. You spend your time formulating a rational and thorough response only to have someone respond with a less than witty, one-liner, useless remark. Its frustrating and a waste of energy.

Same thing will happen with this thread if its allowed to persist long enough.

Someone is going to talk about the MD v DO topic.
Someone is going to bash OMM.
Someone will stand up for the AOA and get ripped apart.
Someone will "know a guy" who used OMS and something happened, blah blah blah.

Its the nature of how these PreDO and DO forums work.

If theres one thing that bothers me about being a DO is the way we treat eachother. MDs treat us just fine...but we kick eachother in the balls all the time for no apparent reason.

 

[babyruth]

I dont think its cowering in fear. Any observant person can see the types of "discussions" that turn into small "disagreements" and then get blown up. You spend your time formulating a rational and thorough response only to have someone respond with a less than witty, one-liner, useless remark. Its frustrating and a waste of energy.

Same thing will happen with this thread if its allowed to persist long enough.

Someone is going to talk about the MD v DO topic.
Someone is going to bash OMM.
Someone will stand up for the AOA and get ripped apart.
Someone will "know a guy" who used OMS and something happened, blah blah blah.

Its the nature of how these PreDO and DO forums work.

If theres one thing that bothers me about being a DO is the way we treat eachother. MDs treat us just fine...but we kick eachother in the balls all the time for no apparent reason.

Nice post. I agree. Maybe it's because we have no one else to fight and b**ch against so we turn on oursleves.

I use the MS because it is faster to write and the farther you get into your career, the more utility and abbreviations you start to use. Even if it is eliminating one letter.

I remember how long my notes used to be; and now they are a paragraph (in total if you take out all the blank space) and consist mostly of abbreviations.

 

[group_theory]

One of the recent past president of the AOA would go around saying we must have pride in the profession, to raise awareness of DOs, and i think was the first to advocate the use of OMS for students to distinguish us from the allopathic students

and in all the publications (JAOA, The DO, etc) he was seen wearing his labcoat that says "Dr. Last Name" with no hint that he was a DO

Requiring DO students to use OMS instead of MS will not result in new-found pride in the profession but instead create a lot of resentment towards the AOA and lots of "aren't there more pressing issues that you should be working on, like school expansion and additional quality residency" thoughts amongst DO students. If you want to promote pride in the DO profession and encourage students to advertise osteopathic medicine, why not give every DO students a nice brass "AOA" pin that can be worn on a white labcoat. Those who know what AOA is will know you're an osteopathic student, those who don't might ask you what AOA means, and if you're in a hospital with allopathic students, they might get jealous if they mistaken it for Alpha Omega Alpha 🙂. Certainly better than using "OMS IV" after your name, which in some hospitals stands for "Oral Maxillary Surgery Resident Year 4"


I wonder how the president-elect of the AOA is picked anyway ... who does the election? Certainly not the students (who are by default members of the AOA) ... certainly not the many DOs that I've met while on rotation (who have maintained membership in the AOA). The AOA seems to be an old boys club where the leadership is more of a "do what I say, not what I do" and governs with the "father knows best" doctrine ... and then turn around and wonder why DO students aren't gung-ho AOA, or why so many DO students turn towards ACGME residencies, or why many DOs decide not to maintain their membership with the AOA

 

[the1doc]

Why? And open themselves up to be attacked?

The way Pro-DO, Pro-OMM and Pro-AOA people are treated around here (witch doctors, naive, delusional, etc) I'm not suprised they havent defended their vote.

i've probably been a little too critical of the AOA advocates at times. but let me point out that the pro-AOA people you speak of are often those who throw out the "allopathic-wannabe" nonsense every time someone is critical of the AOA or OMM. so i'm not buying into this whole pro-AOA as martyrs thing that you're trying to sell here. as far as i can tell, the only difference between pro-AOA people and AOA critics is that the AOA supporters constitute the minority. otherwise, the "way that people are treated" is pretty much the same.

 

[FutureNavyDOc]

i've probably been a little too critical of the AOA advocates at times. but let me point out that the pro-AOA people you speak of are often those who throw out the "allopathic-wannabe" nonsense every time someone is critical of the AOA or OMM. so i'm not buying into this whole pro-AOA as martyrs thing that you're trying to sell here. as far as i can tell, the only difference between pro-AOA people and AOA critics is that the AOA supporters constitute the minority. otherwise, the "way that people are treated" is pretty much the same.

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍


I only wish I could count the number of times I've been told something to the effect of "You're only bitter because you couldn't get into an MD school" or "then why didn't you go to an MD school?"


Wanna know the real reason? Geography. DMU was 9 hours closer to my then fiancee than the nearest MD school I was accepted to and 4 hours closer than the next nearest DO school.

 

[homeboy]

I dont think its cowering in fear. Any observant person can see the types of "discussions" that turn into small "disagreements" and then get blown up. You spend your time formulating a rational and thorough response only to have someone respond with a less than witty, one-liner, useless remark. Its frustrating and a waste of energy.

Same thing will happen with this thread if its allowed to persist long enough.

Someone is going to talk about the MD v DO topic.
Someone is going to bash OMM.
Someone will stand up for the AOA and get ripped apart.
Someone will "know a guy" who used OMS and something happened, blah blah blah.

Its the nature of how these PreDO and DO forums work.

If theres one thing that bothers me about being a DO is the way we treat eachother. MDs treat us just fine...but we kick eachother in the balls all the time for no apparent reason.

That's an accurate observation, JP, and the only thing I can think to say is that the nature of osteopathic medicine (in large part due to the leadership and how the AOA is run) lends itself to arguments such as these.
There is no divide amongst allopathic students / physicians, and it seems that the arguing in our profession is and will be limited to forums like these because rather than sticking around and fighting to change things, the people that could do something would rather not hassle and instead say 'the hell with the AOA.'

 

[MS Cotton]

Just a little info............

At my school, we were told the first week of class (this year) "...you are not student doctors, you are an OMS-I......" And everyone uses the OMS abbreviation accordingly......(i.e. in emails, charts, letterhead, etc....)

I suppose I was in the blind the whole time...............Meaning, I was under the impression that it had always been this way................

Honestly, I truely think that I would get in trouble if I were to use MS vs. OMS here. Seriously, everyone is so "gung ho" about it here that teachers, and students alike, would freak if I were to sign an email with MS.....


Note: The President of the AOA is the Dean of my school..........no luck here.

 

[FutureNavyDOc]

Just a little info............

At my school, we were told the first week of class (this year) "...you are not student doctors, you are an OMS-I......" And everyone uses the OMS abbreviation accordingly......(i.e. in emails, charts, letterhead, etc....)

I suppose I was in the blind the whole time...............Meaning, I was under the impression that it had always been this way................

Honestly, I truely think that I would get in trouble if I were to use MS vs. OMS here. Seriously, everyone is so "gung ho" about it here that teachers, and students alike, would freak if I were to sign an email with MS.....


Note: The President of the AOA is the Dean of my school..........no luck here.

You better change your name to OMS Cotton before you get busted

Is as unattentive to student needs, wants, and common sense as a dean as he is as AOA president?

 

[MS Cotton]

Honestly, I can't make an objective opinion on that one yet....

He is never here......He stays out of town the majority of the time, fulfilling he's duties as President...

But I can say (personal opinion) that the majority of the administration here is/are not open to suggestion...........their way or the highway (or be pissed off).

 

[Quakkilla]

But I can say (personal opinion) that the majority of the administration here is/are not open to suggestion...........their way or the highway (or be pissed off).

Cotton you sure you aren't here in SO FLO at NSU? They just don't seem to realize that we pay their paycheck. down here their big thing is to further Alumni relations. Maybe if they listened to the F*&%ing student and quit harrasing them, people would stay around and help.

MS II

 

[MS Cotton]

Cotton you sure you aren't here in SO FLO at NSU? They just don't seem to realize that we pay their paycheck. down here their big thing is to further Alumni relations. Maybe if they listened to the F*&%ing student and quit harrasing them, people would stay around and help.

MS II[/QUOTE

I agree.............

Seriously, I am very disappointed with the way the school is ran.....I don't mean to be negative or bring anyone down, but facts are facts......The administration is unorganized, unprepared, and inconsistent.....Seems like there is a constant deficiency in common sense around here.....

Maybe this is the way it is everywhere?

Ultimately, attitude reflects leadership.....And think this very statement is the reason for the general attitude of med students on this forum.....Schools are being ran by people who tell you to do things, but don't lead by example...

And it seems like the most benifiical lectures and seminars this year were given by MD's...........who knows? I have to stop this before I write an essay.................

On a better note: Do the best you can with your situation......Make the most out of the opportunity that have....Try not to let the semantics and associated bull**** overwhelm you.........You (We) can go as far as we want to if we keep an attitude that is above the ignorance....

Study well,

MS Cotton

 

[homeboy]

Cotton, sorry to hear about your situation, but one good note...when you get out in clinicals (ie. 3rd year) it doesn't matter if you sign OMS, MS, SOM, POS, whatever...the only signatures that people really pay attention to are the ones that end in MD or DO.

 

[Dr JPH]

Cotton, sorry to hear about your situation, but one good note...when you get out in clinicals (ie. 3rd year) it doesn't matter if you sign OMS, MS, SOM, POS, whatever...the only signatures that people really pay attention to are the ones that end in MD or DO.

👍

 

[medstu_2010]

MS cotton, its one thing to express your views at school in the form of teacher evaluations or better yet discussing your issues with the administration but doing on the internet is frankly unprofessional, period. I don't think its the school's fault that you dont attend class regularly or even treat our professors with the respect that they so deserve. This already causes everyone around you including the administration to lose any and all respect they had for you, so when you are finally ready to express your opinions professionally they won't be so willing to welcome them. I am so embarrassed that another collegue in my class would slander the school and Dr. Stro. They both care very much about us and those who seek a good education for the right reason...perhaps this means you should rethink your reasoning. Every program has its negatives and positives but everything within those negatives aren't all the administration's fault. On all your other posts you speak of hard work and dedication...which is the basis of a medical education and the foundation of PCSOM...so why again are you tainting the public's opinion of our school which has given you this once in a lifetime opportunity to become a doctor!! I can't imagine if Dr. Stro or anyone else from our school were able to see the things on here you are saying about what they have so diligently worked to create. I must get back to studying which is probably something you should be doing as well. I hope you have a change of heart and realize why you are here.

 

[the1doc]

"I can't imagine if Dr. Stro or anyone else from our school were able to see the things on here you are saying about what they have so diligently worked to create."

LOL.

Trust me, "Dr. Stro" isn't visiting this site. "Dr. Stro" is so out of touch with what current osteopathic students and DOs want that he couldn't care less even IF he visited this site. Working "diligently" at something doesn't make a person or group of people immune from criticism, especially if they are working with complete disregard to the opinions of those they are supposed to represent.

 

[homeboy]

MS cotton, its one thing to express your views at school in the form of teacher evaluations or better yet discussing your issues with the administration but doing on the internet is frankly unprofessional, period. I don't think its the school's fault that you dont attend class regularly or even treat our professors with the respect that they so deserve. This already causes everyone around you including the administration to lose any and all respect they had for you, so when you are finally ready to express your opinions professionally they won't be so willing to welcome them. I am so embarrassed that another collegue in my class would slander the school and Dr. Stro. They both care very much about us and those who seek a good education for the right reason...perhaps this means you should rethink your reasoning. Every program has its negatives and positives but everything within those negatives aren't all the administration's fault. On all your other posts you speak of hard work and dedication...which is the basis of a medical education and the foundation of PCSOM...so why again are you tainting the public's opinion of our school which has given you this once in a lifetime opportunity to become a doctor!! I can't imagine if Dr. Stro or anyone else from our school were able to see the things on here you are saying about what they have so diligently worked to create. I must get back to studying which is probably something you should be doing as well. I hope you have a change of heart and realize why you are here.

You speak as if Cotton owes his life to PCSOM...as if he will forever be indebted to PCSOM and the Osteopathic profession for giving him this opportunity...
Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't be a 3rd year medical student in 2006 if my school hadn't given me the opportunity, but that's not to say I wouldn't be a doctor if it weren't for my school...I would have re-applied the following year and to more schools and worked to increase my odds of getting in.

Aaaaaaaanyway, I don't know you or cotton, but expressing opinions on a med school blog is nothing less than venting frustrations. Good luck having an open dialogue with administrators and the AOA (much less the Stros) by telling it to their face. They don't give a crap what us med students think--what do we know about medical education, the profession, or our future for that matter...

Seriously though, you don't get anywhere by telling your school they're doing it wrong, or complaining to the AOA as a whole.

Remember what happened the last time the ENTIRE (and I mean overwhelming freakin' majority) DO student body expressed it's interest and wishes for a joint match? We were basically shot down...forget the fact that like 95% of students surveyed from every school wanted it.

Why? Becauase the AOA knows best, and as long as people like Stros are running the AOA with a paternal attitude that the old-school DOs know best, things will remain the same.

 

[medstu_2010]

My postings on here have basically nothing to do with the AOA or how I feel things have been handled in the past...I am commenting basically against how cotton's opinion which isn't the majority of our class makes our school look to persons like you. I enjoy our school which may not be perfect...Im not saying "his life should be turned over to PCSOM" but there should be a level of respect. I would take his venting seriously but he does it so much during class and in school that no one takes it seriously anymore. I would also understand again if many of us felt the same way...yes our school like any other has it problems but we are learning the information we need to be successful and itsn't that the main reason we choose the schools we do...so that we can be successful?!? I am sure there are much larger problems with the AOA and I am not even going to begin to express my opinion about that because I am not educated enough about the AOA and its history "yet" to do so. I was simply stating that I don't feel anyone should take his posts about our school as a true reflection of what the students know to be true.

 

[badgas]

My postings on here have basically nothing to do with the AOA or how I feel things have been handled in the past...I am commenting basically against how cotton's opinion which isn't the majority of our class makes our school look to persons like you. I enjoy our school which may not be perfect...Im not saying "his life should be turned over to PCSOM" but there should be a level of respect. I would take his venting seriously but he does it so much during class and in school that no one takes it seriously anymore. I would also understand again if many of us felt the same way...yes our school like any other has it problems but we are learning the information we need to be successful and itsn't that the main reason we choose the schools we do...so that we can be successful?!? I am sure there are much larger problems with the AOA and I am not even going to begin to express my opinion about that because I am not educated enough about the AOA and its history "yet" to do so. I was simply stating that I don't feel anyone should take his posts about our school as a true reflection of what the students know to be true.

Says YOU... Cotton has every right to vent his frustration with an institution or the AOA. You are calling that "unprofessional and embarrassing" yet you are bashing him as a person because he disagrees with you. Gee, that's professional. Why are YOU the authority that everyone should listen to? Who made YOU the person responsible for the class opinions? I would be embarrassed to have such close minded conformist classmates if I were cotton. People can say what they want Jack, and it's not your place to censor any of it.

 

[the1doc]

medstu_2010 = Dr. Stro?

Dr. Stro says, "That is SOOOO unprofessional of you to insult ME!!! I am president of the AOA, and you are my lapdogs!"

seriously, cotton isn't here making fun of someone's mom, he isn't insulting the size of anyone's....car, he's not saying anyone has B.O......as far as I can tell, he is expressing his frustration with an administration that, in his POV, isn't getting the job done. unfortunately, some osteopathic students equate dissent with "unprofessionalism."

 

[Dr JPH]

medstu_2010 = Dr. Stro?

Dr. Stro says, "That is SOOOO unprofessional of you to insult ME!!! I am president of the AOA, and you are my lapdogs!"

seriously, cotton isn't here making fun of someone's mom, he isn't insulting the size of anyone's....car, he's not saying anyone has B.O......as far as I can tell, he is expressing his frustration with an administration that, in his POV, isn't getting the job done. unfortunately, some osteopathic students equate dissent with "unprofessionalism."

As much as it pains me to say this...the1doc is right!

😉

 

[babyruth]

MS cotton, its one thing to express your views at school in the form of teacher evaluations or better yet discussing your issues with the administration but doing on the internet is frankly unprofessional, period. I don't think its the school's fault that you dont attend class regularly or even treat our professors with the respect that they so deserve. This already causes everyone around you including the administration to lose any and all respect they had for you, so when you are finally ready to express your opinions professionally they won't be so willing to welcome them. I am so embarrassed that another collegue in my class would slander the school and Dr. Stro. They both care very much about us and those who seek a good education for the right reason...perhaps this means you should rethink your reasoning. Every program has its negatives and positives but everything within those negatives aren't all the administration's fault. On all your other posts you speak of hard work and dedication...which is the basis of a medical education and the foundation of PCSOM...so why again are you tainting the public's opinion of our school which has given you this once in a lifetime opportunity to become a doctor!! I can't imagine if Dr. Stro or anyone else from our school were able to see the things on here you are saying about what they have so diligently worked to create. I must get back to studying which is probably something you should be doing as well. I hope you have a change of heart and realize why you are here.

Just curious, are you sure you are medical student? I smell a troll...

Just a little info............

At my school, we were told the first week of class (this year) "...you are not student doctors, you are an OMS-I......" And everyone uses the OMS abbreviation accordingly......(i.e. in emails, charts, letterhead, etc....)

I suppose I was in the blind the whole time...............Meaning, I was under the impression that it had always been this way................

Honestly, I truely think that I would get in trouble if I were to use MS vs. OMS here. Seriously, everyone is so "gung ho" about it here that teachers, and students alike, would freak if I were to sign an email with MS.....


Note: The President of the AOA is the Dean of my school..........no luck here.

Sign your emails MS-Cotton Class of 200_ instead. I would sign my progress note however I want it. Alot of the times, during rotations, most people question the OMS everytime you right it so it is kind of cumbersome (i.e. I had several nurses and ancillary staff think I was some other kind of student--pharm and even nursing because of this).

 

[Dr JPH]

Alot of the times, during rotations, most people question the OMS everytime you right it so it is kind of cumbersome (i.e. I had several nurses and ancillary staff think I was some other kind of student--pharm and even nursing because of this).

This is very true.

 

[MS Cotton]

Wow....

First, Medstu_2010, I don't know who you are or who you think I am, but either way, you must think pretty highly of yourself to make the comments you did.....

"...not attending class regulary....." GET A LIFE! MIND YOUR OWN ****ING BUSINESS! People that sit back and take role are justing trying to find something to "one-up" everyone one else with. You are probably insecure about yourself, so you have to find things in other people to lift yourself up............seriously, GROW UP!

(It does'nt really matter, but, let's compare or class ranks after Christmas and see how "meaningful" your attendence comment is............Again, I don't know who you think this is, but I don't miss class)

I am so embarrassed that another collegue in my class would slander the school and Dr. Stro.[/QUOTE

Learn how to read...........! I never slandered anyone, which is obviously clear to the rest of the osteopathic world, based on the replies...........Again, I NEVER slandered anyone...It was a discussion, an opinion, a conversation..........

ALSO, saying that I don't give teachers respect and that the teachers, the class, and the admistration have no respect for me....Jesus! Who the hell do you think you are?

You have no clue as to the type of relationships that I have with teachers and others students... Who are you to speak for the entire world? You think I said slanderous things? I'm 100% positive that the professors here would be more pissed off about you speaking for them and putting words in their mouths....

You are just like 95% of the people in the class.....you bash everyone behind there backs, but are nice to their face, or you don't have the personal respect to talk to them about it. Everyone talks about EVERYONE! Think about that.....

Grow up and get off of your uneducated high horse.......You make it obvious that you are threatened by someone when you say what you said.

 

[FutureNavyDOc]

You have no clue as to the type of relationships that I have with teachers and others students...

At DMU we aren't supposed to have relationships with teachers, but we all think it happened anyway 😱

Wow....
You are just like 95% of the people in the class.....you bash everyone behind there backs, but are nice to their face, or you don't have the personal respect to talk to them about it. Everyone talks about EVERYONE! Think about that.....

Grow up and get off of your uneducated high horse.......You make it obvious that you are threatened by someone when you say what you said.

My 2 cents as someone who went to damn near every class (virtually every class that wasn't taught by our Behavioral med/ psych dept that is), I couldn't care less whether people went to class or not. To pass the tests they still have to know the material. That is the bottom line.

Some people learn better by going to class, some learn better by studying on their own. Who gives a rat's posterior which it is as long as they learn it?


If not going to class works for Cotton, by all means, keep on doing what is working for you. If going to every class, bringing in coffee for every lecturer and taking attendance on yellow legal paper is how MedStu2010 learns best, then by all means, keep on truckin!




The problems I noticed came when people who didn't want to be in class were forced to be there as we had for a few systems classes as well as OMM.
Then you ended up with people sleeping and even snoring on the floor behind the back rows, people in the front row with their nasty bare feet up on the desk while guest lecturer's are walking around trying not to lose thier lunch, and people answering their cell phones and crap like that during lecture.

I'm not saying that all people who don't go to class act like that when they are there, but some do and it's best not to make them be there.



Bottom line:
Medstu_2010, get a life and worry more about learning than about who is or isn't at class. Knowing that MSCotton was only at 4.782% of lectures on Thursday's when the sun was shining won't ever save a patients life, knowing that giving morphine to a patient with acute pancreatitis can exacerbate the problem secondary to sphincter of Odi spasm might.

If you want to be an attendance Nazi, drop out of med school and go be a truant officer for an urban school district.


Sincerely,
MS FutureNavyDOc