OMT for CLBP: New Study

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it's pretty sad that someone has to post a thread to show that when OMT, something we must accept as infallible fact, actually works.
 
it's pretty sad that someone has to post a thread to show that when OMT, something we must accept as infallible fact, actually works.

Now, now. We all know that the OMT literature base is a little light. So I thought I'd bring this new study to the attention of others. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
NOW for a challenge... go and find me a legitimate study that says that Cranial works and you'll earn yourself a nice shiny new penny!
Now, now. We all know that the OMT literature base is a little light. So I thought I'd bring this new study to the attention of others. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
NOW for a challenge... go and find me a legitimate study that says that Cranial works and you'll earn yourself a nice shiny new penny!

Let's just stop right there...see previous thread 'what does it take to eliminate something from the curriculum'

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Now, now. We all know that the OMT literature base is a little light. So I thought I'd bring this new study to the attention of others. Nothing more, nothing less.

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NOW for a challenge... go and find me a legitimate study that says that Cranial works and you'll earn yourself a nice shiny new penny!

While I don't know or understand all the details at this point, a friend who is a 4th year was telling me about a young girl they had as a patient who had an issue with her right eye (always turned laterally) who had seen Ophtho after ophtho and even had a procedure done to help bring it in.

Supposedly, at their hospital they started treating her with cranial OMT (don't know exactly what sparked their decision to treat that with cranial, as I'm a noob and don't actually know anything about OMT yet.) and within a few weeks of treatment, her problem was corrected. In fact it was TOO corrected, as the eye was now looking slightly medially. The ophtho who did the initial procedure has to reverse what he had done and the girl now has to normally functioning eyes.

I wish I had more details, but he was just telling me about it in a conversation because I asked about cranial (since everyone on SDN says it's a load of crap) and he gave me that as an example. He did also include that he has never seen another use or application for cranial. It was just right for that one instance for that one patient. He just said each technique in OMT has its purpose, and some techniques can only really help with a few small things that you'll rarely actually see.
 
While I don't know or understand all the details at this point, a friend who is a 4th year was telling me about a young girl they had as a patient who had an issue with her right eye (always turned laterally) who had seen Ophtho after ophtho and even had a procedure done to help bring it in.

Supposedly, at their hospital they started treating her with cranial OMT (don't know exactly what sparked their decision to treat that with cranial, as I'm a noob and don't actually know anything about OMT yet.) and within a few weeks of treatment, her problem was corrected. In fact it was TOO corrected, as the eye was now looking slightly medially. The ophtho who did the initial procedure has to reverse what he had done and the girl now has to normally functioning eyes.

I wish I had more details, but he was just telling me about it in a conversation because I asked about cranial (since everyone on SDN says it's a load of crap) and he gave me that as an example. He did also include that he has never seen another use or application for cranial. It was just right for that one instance for that one patient. He just said each technique in OMT has its purpose, and some techniques can only really help with a few small things that you'll rarely actually see.
you will always see/hear stories of this. for instance, OPP preceptor of ours telling us there was a 19 yo kid who was going in for surgery to remove the first rib as it was causing thoracic outlet syndrome (pressing on brachial plexus, subclavian etc). he offered to treat with OMT, fixed the rib and viola, no need for surgery. stories like this happen all the time. wait till you start. the reality is n=1 and he said she said on a lot of them. research needs to be done to prove it works. this article helps and is a step in the right direction.
 
While I don't know or understand all the details at this point, a friend who is a 4th year was telling me about a young girl they had as a patient who had an issue with her right eye (always turned laterally) who had seen Ophtho after ophtho and even had a procedure done to help bring it in.

Supposedly, at their hospital they started treating her with cranial OMT (don't know exactly what sparked their decision to treat that with cranial, as I'm a noob and don't actually know anything about OMT yet.) and within a few weeks of treatment, her problem was corrected. In fact it was TOO corrected, as the eye was now looking slightly medially. The ophtho who did the initial procedure has to reverse what he had done and the girl now has to normally functioning eyes.

I wish I had more details, but he was just telling me about it in a conversation because I asked about cranial (since everyone on SDN says it's a load of crap) and he gave me that as an example. He did also include that he has never seen another use or application for cranial. It was just right for that one instance for that one patient. He just said each technique in OMT has its purpose, and some techniques can only really help with a few small things that you'll rarely actually see.

Have you ever met someone in another alt med field? You can repeat this experience with everything from chelation therapy, to coffee enemas, to reiki practitioners. They are always going to have some magic story. Are you going to start shoving coffee up your patient's butt and and waving your hands around in the air or do a Native American dance while passing around a peace pipe too?

Placebo effect + delusional parties all around = why pretend time magical things stay around. If you could actually magically adjust the cranial fluids to make someone's eyes suddenly adjust their tonic placement it would be really easy to prove. In fact it would take a day, a handful or optometrists, and two rooms one with an MD giving sham OMM, another with a DO giving real cranial. 100 people get their eyes examined by the optometrists, 50% walk in to room 1, 50% room 2, then they walk out and get their eyes checked again. Room 1 they get a quick head massage by an MD, room 2 they get SUPER EXTREME CRANIAL MAGIC.

This is why OMM is a joke. Because it would be really, really, really, really, really easy to prove if it was actually powerfully effective. MD's would be allllll over OMM if it was actually real. Because cranial OMM is just a placebo, the results fall in line with that.
 
I wonder how often patients know they're getting a sham treatment and if that's sufficient to skew results. If you read through the article in the OP, they explain what they did for "sham OMT": "Sham OMT involved hand contact, active and passive range of motion, and techniques that simulated OMT but that used such maneuvers as light touch, improper patient positioning, purposely misdirected movements, and diminished physician force."

There has to be a percentage of pts in studies that are thinking "this guy really isn't doing anything." Diminished placebo effect? Would this be statistically significant to skew results? It's conceivable that the sham group would have a lower positive effect. This would make the real OMT group have a greater effect in comparison. Has anyone seen any studies looking at this?

Probably not a new idea but didn't see it in this thread. Food for thought: evidence based medicine is not full proof.
 
There has to be a percentage of pts in studies that are thinking "this guy really isn't doing anything."

...probably the same group of people who think myofascial, BLT, or Still's Technique aren't really doing anything.
 
...probably the same group of people who think myofascial, BLT, or Still's Technique aren't really doing anything.

The only BLT I know that does anything for me is Bacon Lettuce Tomato
 
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