On the atrocity in Afghanistan

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I thought that I would throw this out there, to stimulate some discussion and reflection. This is a quotation from the closing scenes of Breaker Morant (1980) a fantastic Australian production dealing with the Boer War of 1899-1902 and, specifically, the shooting of Boer prisoners captured wearing British uniforms by Aussie troops. The following lines are delivered by the Australian Major Thomas (on detached duty) in his closing argument. He acted as counsel for his fellow countrymen during the trial.

"The fact of the matter is that war changes men's natures. The barbarities of war are seldom committed by abnormal men. The tragedy of war is that these horrors are committed by normal men in abnormal situations, situations in which the ebb and flow of everyday life have departed and have been replaced by a constant round of fear, and anger, blood, and death. Soldiers at war are not to be judged by civilian rules, as the prosecution is attempting to do, even though they commit acts which, calmly viewed afterwards, could only be seen as unchristian and brutal. And if, in every war, particularly guerilla war, all the men who committed reprisals were to be charged and tried as murderers, court martials like this one would be in permanent session. Would they not? I say that we cannot hope to judge such matters unless we ourselves have been submitted to the same pressures, the same provocations as these men, whose actions are on trial."

I think that this movie should be required viewing for anyone in the Service who deploys to Afghanistan, and moreso for the civilians whose opinions on the War are formed solely by what they read in the Washington Post and the NY Times.

SSG Bales did in fact commit a horrible atrocity. He should be held fully accountable and suffer the consequences, even if that means death. The problem I foresee is the narrative which will evolve from the undoubtedly lengthy trial. He will be accused of being a malcontent, a psychopath, or a PTSD/TBI addled unfortunate ultimately not accountable for his actions.

The truth is that I know of many NCO's who, on paper, are nearly identical to SSG Bales. Multiple deployments, divorces, arrests for DUI/assault, failed business ventures which prompted enlistment in the Army. What people should remember is that Bales was a decorated combat veteran, a squad leader who had proved his meddle during multiple deployments and was awarded an ARCOM with V for his actions in Iraq. He was no coward. He was also not a psychopath, nor was he disabled by the various mental health afflictions his counsel will cite in his defense. He made no effort to dodge his fourth deployment, as many in his situation might have done.

He, in my mind, was just another NCO exhausted by endless combat and the painful disintegration of his home life as a result. There are many more out there like him. This, to me, is the true cost of our forever wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and it is a cost which can never be quantified statistically. Given the nature of the War in Afghanistan- Panjawai is a very evil place- I am most astounded that atrocities like this have not occurred with more frequency, and on a greater scale.

"The tragedy of war is that these horrors (barbarities) are committed by normal men in abnormal circumstances."

- 61N
 
. . . . He will be accused of being a malcontent, a psychopath, or a PTSD/TBI addled unfortunate ultimately not accountable for his actions.

. . . He was also not a psychopath, nor was he disabled by the various mental health afflictions his counsel will cite in his defense. He made no effort to dodge his fourth deployment, as many in his situation might have done.

He, in my mind, was just another NCO exhausted by endless combat and the painful disintegration of his home life as a result. . . .

"The tragedy of war is that these horrors (barbarities) are committed by normal men in abnormal circumstances."

- 61N

[Bolds mine]

You are of course entitled to your opinion. And I am sure there are many dedicated service members who have had many deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq whose professional responsibilities have taken a personal toll in health and family happiness. But to offer an excuse based on the unique hardships of war ignores the many very professional soldiers who do not commit atrocities. You may wish to believe that civilians have no business judging the acts of men in war, but many thoughtful people would disagree. As it happens, SSG Bales will be judged by a jury of military peers.

As to the issue of sociopathy, if we are to believe a related news story of a man from Ohio who lost $875,000 in his personal life savings due to Mr. Bales' apparent stock churning and other unprofessional conduct that resulted in an arbitrator's finding for the plaintiff and an award with punitive damages in excess of $1M, then there is substantial evidence of a history of sociopathic behavior. (Mr. Bales did not show for his arbitration hearing.) According to the account, none of the award has been paid due to Mr. Bales disappearance at about the time of his enlistment in the Army. Investigators from the Army had apparently contacted SSG Bales regarding this matter in recent weeks.
 
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While I can in no way condone what he did, I am reminded of something my Aunt said. "The difference between parents who beat their children and those who don't is self control. We all have that desire, we just don't act upon it."

On particularly bad days, the idea of leveling a village would creep into the minds of me and those around me. Did we recognize the idea as wrong? Yes. Would we have done it? No. But the thought invariably would creep in.

I suspect our otherwise honorable (no sarcasm) Staff Sergeant did indeed have a psychotic break. He lost too many. Had too many other stressors. Lost his compass. We have been at war far too long with too few shouldering the burden. I was talking with a Vietnam Vet this past weekend and he said if we do this again we need to bring back the draft. He felt the time in country needed to be spread a little thinner. He is probably right.
 
I have to admit I found myself sympathizing with Bales plight after reading the news reports. They read like a modern version of Death of a Salesman.

At the same time, we don't know all the facts.

I heard an analogy once that resonated with me. There are sheepdogs, wolves and "sheeple". A small percentage of the population are sheepdogs. These are individuals who rush in to help and protect others. An equally small percent are wolves. These are individuals who are psychopaths. Maybe they like to kill and exploit others. The wolves don't feel remorse and if they are fighting on your side they can be very effective. Was Bales a sheepdog or wolf?

Were Bales actions a subset of a "trait" or character pathology or a "state" like was suggested with the psychotic break. Time will tell...
 
I have to admit I found myself sympathizing with Bales plight after reading the news reports.

Frankly, I did not find myself sympathizing with Bales. On the contrary, I was enraged and felt sick about the murder of 17 civilians, 9 of whom were children.

At the same time, we don't know all the facts.

I agree that we don't have all the facts. However...

On particularly bad days, the idea of leveling a village would creep into the minds of me and those around me. Did we recognize the idea as wrong? Yes. Would we have done it? No. But the thought invariably would creep in.

Leveling a village in what sense? Bombing it? Reports have said that Bales allegedly stabbed, shot, and burned women and children in their homes at night probably waking them up from their sleep. I doubt you or people around you thought about leveling a village in that manner. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I suspect our otherwise honorable (no sarcasm) Staff Sergeant did indeed have a psychotic break.

I don't have all the facts to make a definitive conclusion, but I doubt this was a psychotic break. Truly psychotic people who are in legal terms not guilty by reason of insanity (NGRI) are not organized enough to carry out murder methodically like Bales allegedly did. Some reports have stated that Bales made two trips outside the wire in these killings and came back and gave himself up which would suggest he knew what he did was wrong. I wonder how soon after that he requested a lawyer. Though this does not preclude the possibility, his lawyer was quoted saying that he was not going to pursue NGRI, but would argue for diminished capacity at the time of the offense in order to mitigate the punishment. His lawyer also said Bales had some recollection of what happened before and after the killings, but little in between, so it's possible he may argue something along the lines of a dissociative state--it's very convenient to claim no memory for a crime, but remember events before and after the crime alright. Again, there are many facts yet to be revealed, so it could very well turn out that Bales was legitimately NGRI.

But to offer an excuse based on the unique hardships of war ignores the many very professional soldiers who do not commit atrocities...

As to the issue of sociopathy, if we are to believe a related news story of a man from Ohio who lost $875,000 in his personal life savings due to Mr. Bales' apparent stock churning and other unprofessional conduct that resulted in an arbitrator's finding for the plaintiff and an award with punitive damages in excess of $1M, then there is substantial evidence of a history of sociopathic behavior.

I find myself agreeing with orbitsurgMD the most. Even though people state they are not excusing Bales's actions, they are certainly trying to mitigate it which just does not sit right with me. There is suggestion of possible preexisting sociopathy in Bales, and these crimes are the very definition of sociopathy. Sure, there's some darkness in all individual human beings, but to empathize with Bales and suggest that we are all capable of committing these atrocities under the "right" circumstances is something else altogether.

Sigh.
 
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