Ophtho vs. Rads

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Just deciding between Radiology and Opthalmology…
Any thoughts.

This the way I see it:

Radiology
Better Hours and Pay
More Vacation Time
More Jobs available
Business Acumen not necessarily required
Expanding technology
Work with all parts of body
Little Patient Interaction (if you don’t like it)

Ophtho
Satisfying to help people see
Future significant demand (not sure if this correlates with higher pay)
Must be Business minded to be successful
Hand Dexterity required
 
If those are your motivating factors, pick Rads...Ophtho should be for people who really care about helping people with vision...you can make plenty of money in either field if you work hard enough, but that should NOT be your motivation

my guess is you may be one of the people that enters ophtho and doesnt like it (based on your post), especially given that you listed 2x as many factors in favor of rads
 
Interventional Rads sounds like a potentially very rewarding field with ample patient interactions and interesting procedures, and I think it is much more similar to ophtho than diagnostic radiology. Diagnostic radiology involves sitting in a relatively dark room intrepting images. I know several people that like diagnostic radiology because of the lack of patient interaction, the easier schedule, and the income, as well as the prospect of working from home in the future and having a lot of time for moonlighting during residency.

People in ophtho must enjoy the patient interactions because you will see many patients a day. If you don't like being with patients, then please stay away from this field. Humans have an innate fear of going blind and/or having anyone poke them in their eyes, and they deserve a compassionate doctor who will help them in a sensitive and professional way. If you do like patient interaction, then this is probably the best field in medicine. I've never met an unhappy ophthalmologist. The residents are all glad they are in their programs, and they feel lucky to have found it as a career. You work with the young and the old. Vision is important, the eye is very complicated, it's fragile and scary to most other doctors, so you are well-respected and appreciated by patients and other collegues. You are focused on just 1 organ, but you are involved with the diagnosis, the imaging (FA, US, OCT, and on and on), and both medical AND surgical treatment - it's a unique continuity and completeness. You have long term follow up with many patients, and you are still involved in short term ones as well. The technology is amazing, and gadgets are fun, and you use a lot of cool equipment. Eye surgery is exact, permanent, high stakes, often predictable, and very rewarding. Ideally, you should love using your hands, have good depth perception, and good visual acuity. The cases are usually relatively short, but you may do many of them in a row. The field is diverse with many career options. Eye problems are very common, and with the baby boomers, the demand for eye surgeons and vision research will greatly increase during our careers. The field involves a lot of procedures, and you have the potential to see many patients a day, and thus is will be above average in pay despite the decrease in physician reimbursement. My impression (admittingly speculative) is that the low end is about equal to an average PCP, the middle range is above average, and the high end represents some of the most lucrative jobs in medicine. So there are a lot of options out there. It's a very busy career, contrary to stereotype, but that means you are very busy during your work hours seeing patients quickly and efficiently, and most evenings, nights and weekends are off. Derm, rads, and rad-onc might have easier schedules because they don't see as many emergencies that happen in ophtho, but ophtho allows time to be very involved with family and outside interests. I think it's a good balance. Many of the world's blind can be cured, they just don't have the resources. I think international leaders in the field are needed to help build the infrastructure in the 3rd world to have sustainable services there. There's a lot of opportunity, a lot of excitement, and I would really encourage anyone to strongly consider going into ophtho.
 
Just deciding between Radiology and Opthalmology…
Any thoughts.

This the way I see it:

Radiology
Better Hours and Pay
More Vacation Time
More Jobs available
Business Acumen not necessarily required
Expanding technology
Work with all parts of body
Little Patient Interaction (if you don’t like it)

Ophtho
Satisfying to help people see
Future significant demand (not sure if this correlates with higher pay)
Must be Business minded to be successful
Hand Dexterity required

I don't agree that Rads has better hours. I read a survey that said practicing radiologists work about 55-60 hrs per week. This may partially explain the higher salaries in Rads. Ophthalmologists work about 45-50 hrs per week (not including retina specialist).
 
seems like Rad is better for you
Leave an ophtho spot for somebody who likes and has better understanding of what ophtho is really about
 
I agree that it sounds like radiology is better for you. There is one concern that I think anyone going into diagnostic radiology needs to consider. There has periodically been talk about the fact that, with technology where it is now, there's no need for a hospital to have a diagnostic radiologist on site. In fact, there's really no need for them to have one in the country (there's one who, when he is on his month of nights, lives in England, so he works during the day there and lives a normal life while covering "nights" at his US hospital). That opens to door to either potential consolidation, where you have a few radiologists covering a lot of hospitals, or, even worse, outsourcing. While there are a few legal hurdles to that, they're not quite as high as you would hope. Either of those situations would make the job market for diagnostic radiology get a lot tighter.

Dave
 
I agree that it sounds like radiology is better for you. There is one concern that I think anyone going into diagnostic radiology needs to consider. There has periodically been talk about the fact that, with technology where it is now, there's no need for a hospital to have a diagnostic radiologist on site. In fact, there's really no need for them to have one in the country (there's one who, when he is on his month of nights, lives in England, so he works during the day there and lives a normal life while covering "nights" at his US hospital). That opens to door to either potential consolidation, where you have a few radiologists covering a lot of hospitals, or, even worse, outsourcing. While there are a few legal hurdles to that, they're not quite as high as you would hope. Either of those situations would make the job market for diagnostic radiology get a lot tighter.

Dave

Nighthawk and other web-based reading support might bring relief to some remote hospital EDs without radiology covering staff as concerns after-hours reading, but anything complicated that requires hands-on activity will not be outsourced. There will be jobs for radiologists.

From your posts, it sounds as if you would enjoy radiology.

If you don't want to do surgery, ophtho is not a good choice. Also, you need to see ten times the number of patients in the office for each patient you operate on at surgery (and usually more). There is a lot of face-to-face contact with patients in ophtho, even in a highly surgical referral practice.
 
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Sorry, I can't agree with this for a multitude of economics-based reasons. Here's the easisest one: if you can't be sued, you can't be trusted.

If you're a patient, and you don't know that your radiologist is in another country, then that doesn't really matter. Plus, the hospital can still be sued.

Dave
 
If you're a patient, and you don't know that your radiologist is in another country, then that doesn't really matter. Plus, the hospital can still be sued.

Dave

How about the doctors that communicate with the radiologist? It's not so easy to stroll down to the reading room in another country and take a look at the film with a radiologist before the official report is up. (That's not even counting any language/accent barriers)

And I don't think the hospital lawyers would allow the hospital to take the legal brunt of an offshore radiologist's mistakes. One lawsuit would more than erase any money they saved by "outsourcing" their radiology department.
 
Just deciding between Radiology and Opthalmology…
Any thoughts.

This the way I see it:

Radiology
Better Hours and Pay
More Vacation Time
More Jobs available
Business Acumen not necessarily required
Expanding technology
Work with all parts of body
Little Patient Interaction (if you don’t like it)

Ophtho
Satisfying to help people see
Future significant demand (not sure if this correlates with higher pay)
Must be Business minded to be successful
Hand Dexterity required


Ophtho is a great field...Rads is a great field...If you want to be a badass and make money go Rads...if you want to be a badass and have sex appeal go Ophtho
 
If you're a patient, and you don't know that your radiologist is in another country, then that doesn't really matter. Plus, the hospital can still be sued.

Dave

You'd still need to have US licensed radiologists reading the films. Doesn't matter what country they're in, they'd still have to be licensed in the US.

Otherwise you'd be spending far more money on lawyers then you'd save on radiologists.
 
Just deciding between Radiology and Opthalmology…
Any thoughts.

This the way I see it:

Radiology
Better Hours and Pay

Two questions:

1) Better hours? I was under the impression that ophtho's hours were among the most benign in the field? Ranking right up there with derm.

2) Better pay? This I won't debate. The question I do have is this: I keep hearing how reimbursement has been slashed and ophtho salaries are nowhere near where they once were during their heyday. Is this a legitimate concern? As a student who's racked up an embarrassingly large sum of debt from student loans, future potential salary is one of the factors on my list when deciding on a field. (Yes, it isn't the sole factor on my list if you felt the need to ask)
 
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