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Hi everyone, Can you guys compare the OMFS program in Oregon Vs. Penn. Strong and weak pts of each and overall training?? thanks a lot.
Oregon and Penn OMFS
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I don't know too much about either program in particular but would you mind telling us why you are comparing those two specific programs? on the surface, they don't seem to have a lot in common.
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I just want to know the 2 programs a little better, since geographically these 2 locations are good for me to be at due to family, etc. I know they are both good programs, and I also know they are very different from each other, but not sure how, and there is only so much I can get online. Any help is appreciated.
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Oregon > Penn. Don't know much about Penn but Oregon is a top 5 program in the country. Except for this one resident there named gator something or other. Man that guy is a tool 
OHSU is fantastic. They do huge scope. If there's a surgery in the head and neck I'm sure one of their attendings can do it. The attendings are amazing. Seemed like great people as well as stellar surgeons. Awesome residents. They bust their asses. Some of the hardest working residents anywhere. They are q2 at a level 1 trauma center. Yikes! Frankly, I wouldn't last 1 week. Portland is cheap, great for families, and a pretty sweet city.
UPenn...lots of TMJ surgery a la Quinn. Seemed like a weak dentoalveolar component when I interviewed. No implants done at UPenn...probably done at a VA rotation. Their dean is a periodont. Great med school. Stipend during all 6 years. I dug Philly.
Between the two I would take OHSU. You'll be a big time stud muffin when you come out of there. 😍
UPenn...lots of TMJ surgery a la Quinn. Seemed like a weak dentoalveolar component when I interviewed. No implants done at UPenn...probably done at a VA rotation. Their dean is a periodont. Great med school. Stipend during all 6 years. I dug Philly.
Between the two I would take OHSU. You'll be a big time stud muffin when you come out of there. 😍
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I realized I do have a little input here. I met Dr. Arce when he was in Dallas. I spent one day with him, two of his residents, and two interns. He seemed like a great attending to work with and got along very well with the residents. He is cancer fellowship trained and is now back in Oregon as program director.
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True dat. I spent a couple of weeks there as an extern, and they operate trauma 7 days a week on their Emmanuel hospital rotation.
I thought it was incredibly expensive (at least housing), but I guess it depends on where you're coming from. I was coming from Dallas. It did seem like a good family place, especially if you're into that montessori/barefoot/sack-kicking thing.
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One of the OMFS I worked for in undergrad did his residency at OHSU and he said it was and still is one of the largest scope places around (good and bad).
He said one of the attendings was PRS/OMFS so he would have to do liposuction and crap like that. Did a fair share of plastics (both elective and recon.) although won't touch it in private practice.
He said his med school training was top notch but still crappy and annoying and the worst years of his life "..as if living in portland wasn't depressing enough..."
He can't believe he actually made it through the training.
My opinion of him (and therefore OHSU's training ability): amazing surgeon who knows his medicine extremely well. His orthognathic training didn't seem as complete as USC/LA County partner in the same office. Although may not be true. Can slam an implant (gloves on->gloves off) in like 5 minutes, tops. I never saw him take more than 15 minutes to do 4 wisdom teeth...they could have been embedded in his orbit for all I care. All around VERY efficient.
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Doesn't Portland have the highest number of strip joints per capita in the country?
How could that be bad?
that is correct
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You can't walk down the street in PDX without tripping over a strip club, microbrewery or outdoor sports supplies outlet.
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Like everyone said OHSU is easily one of the broadest scope programs available. However, call is better now since we take 2 a year now and they used to take 1 a year...ie q2. Now it is q3-4 at Emanual. The OMFS Residency consist of 2 sides... Emanuel Hospital and OHSU Hospital. You spend 1/2 time at each hospital and each is a Level 1 trauma... in fact the only level 1's in Oregon. At Emanual OMFS takes 24/7 100% H&N trauma. At OHSU we share btw PRS and ENT. Attendings at Emanual include:
Eric Dierks: OMFS/ENT, runs H&N fellowship, trained many famous HN Onco OMFS's, he tons lots of Oncology/Pathology, CL/CP, Trauma, and some Orthogn, larynx/esoph, facial cosmetic stuff
Bryce Potter: OMFS/ENT, does everything from TMJ, Trauma, Cancer, Body lipo, etc
Jason Potter: OMFS/PRS, does all of both... trauma,CL/CP microvaclr flaps, breasts, teeth, titanium, etc
Bryan Bell: OMFS/HN Oncology-Trauma fellow trained, does everything and operates till the cows come home!
OHSU attendings:
Assael: JOMS, Chairman, Legend in his own right. He does orthognathic, Craniofacial, trauma, microneurosurgery, TMJ, etc
Myall: does a lot of pediatric cases ie craniofacial, cl/cp, syndromes, orthognathic
Arce: HN Onco trained--> badass! Does it all and has the confidence and presence to be a great Program director.
Tons of PT faculty who train you well with dentoalveolar/implants, outpatient anesthesia and how to be a good chair side clinician
OHSU strong on diversity of training: Trauma, Cancer, Decent amount of Orthognathic, Decent Facial esthetics and TMJ, etc
OHSU side also has 2 sides:
Hatfield/Hospital clinic and SOD Resident clinic.
Hospital clinic is where you see more complicated patients and treat attendings patients
SOD clinic is where you get referrals from SOD students and you teach them the art of exodontial and LA administration
Limitations:
1. would have to be dentoalveolar... that being said I did a ISH load of 3rds under GA with myself running the GAs as an intern... probably 10-20 cases(4 3rds) a week for an intern, I also placed about 30 implants and I think I could have done more if I was more aggressive. I was 1st surgeon on a bunch of facial fractures where I did more than 50-75% of case, I did multiple ICBG harvest, I did multiple trach's and tons of lacs and pus draining. I feel confident enough to moonlight and know it will only take me 20-40 mins to get a set of thirds out and still treat the patient well.
2. Organization of didactics. Yet it is improving tremendously with Arce at the helm.
Med school = expensive (you get instate tuition though) but top 3 in primary care education for med students in the nation. Well respected and not very stressful and pressured. Gunners arent ready to shoot you since they dont do the traditional rankings and grade system. Class if from 8-noon M-F and you have the time and permission to moonlight. Trust me...its worth it!
Also, we rotate with a few PRS guys who let us do a ton of cases while we are in medschool.
We do 4+ mos of ANesthesiology during your first 14 mos on service and that is great!
Ortho/OMFS conferences keep steady flow of cases of orthognathic coming
Perio/OMFS conference allows a steady flow of implants to come and be distributed btw perio and OMFS
Portland is not cheap! I just bought a 2 bedroom TH for like 300k!!!
All in all I think the program is top notched. I feel well trained so far and I think they offer so many things that you could appreciate if you wanted to sub specialize while in the program. Bottom line is OHSU is a program that teaches you to be a stud by letting you CUT early and often. Plus I think the education is there so you learn what the hell you are doing or suppose to be doing!
UPENN is a good name and solid training if you only want TMJ and some orthognathic. I think they are weak on case volumes and when I spent 3 weeks there years ago the residents would spend 90% time in resident room reading and then draw straws of which chief(of the 3) got to do a case. I saw not one tooth extracted in 3 weeks. The residents were awesome and so were the attendings. Beautiful hospital and phily is cool. Philly is not cheap either the drinks at the bars where like 10 bucks!
I recommend doing externships at thes 2 places if you are truly interested and then you can see if you want to spend 6 years operating or reading.
BTW... the Gator is a damn TOOL!!!
Miss you too my interview/hotel sharing mate! As well as our boys in Bama and Louisiana!
Eric Dierks: OMFS/ENT, runs H&N fellowship, trained many famous HN Onco OMFS's, he tons lots of Oncology/Pathology, CL/CP, Trauma, and some Orthogn, larynx/esoph, facial cosmetic stuff
Bryce Potter: OMFS/ENT, does everything from TMJ, Trauma, Cancer, Body lipo, etc
Jason Potter: OMFS/PRS, does all of both... trauma,CL/CP microvaclr flaps, breasts, teeth, titanium, etc
Bryan Bell: OMFS/HN Oncology-Trauma fellow trained, does everything and operates till the cows come home!
OHSU attendings:
Assael: JOMS, Chairman, Legend in his own right. He does orthognathic, Craniofacial, trauma, microneurosurgery, TMJ, etc
Myall: does a lot of pediatric cases ie craniofacial, cl/cp, syndromes, orthognathic
Arce: HN Onco trained--> badass! Does it all and has the confidence and presence to be a great Program director.
Tons of PT faculty who train you well with dentoalveolar/implants, outpatient anesthesia and how to be a good chair side clinician
OHSU strong on diversity of training: Trauma, Cancer, Decent amount of Orthognathic, Decent Facial esthetics and TMJ, etc
OHSU side also has 2 sides:
Hatfield/Hospital clinic and SOD Resident clinic.
Hospital clinic is where you see more complicated patients and treat attendings patients
SOD clinic is where you get referrals from SOD students and you teach them the art of exodontial and LA administration
Limitations:
1. would have to be dentoalveolar... that being said I did a ISH load of 3rds under GA with myself running the GAs as an intern... probably 10-20 cases(4 3rds) a week for an intern, I also placed about 30 implants and I think I could have done more if I was more aggressive. I was 1st surgeon on a bunch of facial fractures where I did more than 50-75% of case, I did multiple ICBG harvest, I did multiple trach's and tons of lacs and pus draining. I feel confident enough to moonlight and know it will only take me 20-40 mins to get a set of thirds out and still treat the patient well.
2. Organization of didactics. Yet it is improving tremendously with Arce at the helm.
Med school = expensive (you get instate tuition though) but top 3 in primary care education for med students in the nation. Well respected and not very stressful and pressured. Gunners arent ready to shoot you since they dont do the traditional rankings and grade system. Class if from 8-noon M-F and you have the time and permission to moonlight. Trust me...its worth it!
Also, we rotate with a few PRS guys who let us do a ton of cases while we are in medschool.
We do 4+ mos of ANesthesiology during your first 14 mos on service and that is great!
Ortho/OMFS conferences keep steady flow of cases of orthognathic coming
Perio/OMFS conference allows a steady flow of implants to come and be distributed btw perio and OMFS
Portland is not cheap! I just bought a 2 bedroom TH for like 300k!!!
All in all I think the program is top notched. I feel well trained so far and I think they offer so many things that you could appreciate if you wanted to sub specialize while in the program. Bottom line is OHSU is a program that teaches you to be a stud by letting you CUT early and often. Plus I think the education is there so you learn what the hell you are doing or suppose to be doing!
UPENN is a good name and solid training if you only want TMJ and some orthognathic. I think they are weak on case volumes and when I spent 3 weeks there years ago the residents would spend 90% time in resident room reading and then draw straws of which chief(of the 3) got to do a case. I saw not one tooth extracted in 3 weeks. The residents were awesome and so were the attendings. Beautiful hospital and phily is cool. Philly is not cheap either the drinks at the bars where like 10 bucks!
I recommend doing externships at thes 2 places if you are truly interested and then you can see if you want to spend 6 years operating or reading.
BTW... the Gator is a damn TOOL!!!
Miss you too my interview/hotel sharing mate! As well as our boys in Bama and Louisiana!
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Oregon > Penn. Don't know much about Penn but Oregon is a top 5 program in the country. Except for this one resident there named gator something or other. Man that guy is a tool
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You guys must be stoked about Arce. He was the fellow when I externed there. That guy is a total stud. The nicest guy in the world.
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Hey, you told me I was the nicest guy in the world...
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It got him what he wanted....
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don't worry, you will always hold a special place in my heart
