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So I haven't taken Orgo one in something like 5 years, and I am scheduled to take Orgo two since I have not taken that yet and that is the only prereq I have left. Got a B+ in Org I, but it was a while ago.

How worried should I be about this? Does Org II require alot of knowledge from Org 1?
 
My Org 2 was not very contingent on Org 1, but it is very helpful to be familiar with the reactions that you learn in Org 1. Do you have any of your past study material, books or old tests?? If so, just refresh yourself and you should be fine with Org 2.
 
My orgo 2 was the opposite. You had to understand everything from orgo 1. There was no review. It just kicked in day one. So I would def recommend a hardcore review before the class starts. Better pick up Klein's book(s). Good luck!
 
Klein's books are gold.

"Organic Chemistry as a Second Language" is a good companion guide for any textbook.

Klein also has a textbook out that beats anything currently around. Even if your school doesn't use his text, I strongly recommend it, and the solutions manual. I know it is a lot to throw down on top of an already expensive textbook, but if you want to make an A, Klein's materials can't be beat.

I used his books and was the highest grade in the course, and one of only two A's in both ochem I and II. I'm not trying to sound like a gunner, but I seriously wouldn't have pulled that off without using his material.

There is also curvedarrowpress.com which has a few materials my friends used and liked. Nothing beats Klein IMHO though...
 
I have to agree with all the statements regarding Klein's books. Please get them. I didn't get his text, but I used "Organic Chemistry as a Second Language" for both semesters of Organic. His material does a wonderful job of supplementing what's being covered in class. I got an A in both OChem I and II. Thank God! Also, in my Ochem II class we did need to remember Ochem I concepts---nucleophilicity, acids, bases and so on.
 
I didn't really address your question about ochem II using concepts from ochem I.

I had the same professor for both, back to back semesters (the absolute best way to go if you can swing it and get a decent professor) and he built on ochem I concepts heavily.

While there is continuity between the courses, students who weren't high speed on a few concepts were still able to get by. With that said, I don't think someone who had not taken ochem I could have walked in and done well in the course.

All this is to say...after 5 years you're rusty for sure. If you earned a B+ in a course that was fairly rigorous, it should be a bit like riding a bike. Dust off that portion of your brain, work through Klein's Ochem as a Second Language before you start the course, and that should give you a decent idea of where you stand. If you are still sharp, it should take you a day or two to work through his book. If you find yourself having just a bit of trouble, go to the chem center at your uni and see if they can get you over the hump. If you feel completely lost, then you may want to consider doing Ochem I over again.

I know it sucks to think about repeating a course (and you might not even be able to based on school policy) but if it only sets you back a semester and allows you to pass ochem II on your first go around with a respectable grade, then it is worth the alternative, which is going in hoping for the best and getting the worst (F or W...)

People like to talk ochem up like it is the biggest baddest gorilla in the room, weeding out everyone save the best of the best. Don't believe the hype. It is a fairly rigorous course for some, but by no means is it a course that can't be passed with some extra effort.

I'm sure you know most of this anyway, having been through ochem I already...
 
I would at the very least get the first semester, because that is what you need to review in order to knock the 5 years of dust off from Ochem I and prepare for Ochem II.

I would also recommend the second semester edition, as it will help you get through the course.
 
medhope4 said:
Thanks for the help. Which book do you suggest I get? I really only have a week tops to prepare.

http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Chemistry-Second-Language-Translating/dp/0471272353

Is this it? Should I also get the one for Orgo 2? Thanks again guys.
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Just so you have another person confirm it, that is the correct book. You should also get the second semester book and work through that as you go through the course. The first semester book should be completed BEFORE you start your next class. :luck:

Sho-
 
Thanks. Is there an alternative to this that might be shorter? I don't have much time and I am scheduled for a vacation in 2 days and will be coming back 2 days prior to starting class.
 
Nope... gotta do the time
 
Do you honestly think if there was a less time intensive option, we would have all recommended the longer route?

There are no free passes on o chem, ESPECIALLY not during the summer session. Take the book on vacation with you, and be prepared to not have a good time....or alternatively, go into class a bit underprepared and see how things come out in the wash...
 
ShoTyme said:
I'm not sure what you are asking exactly... but I never used the 2003 version so I don't have an opinion one way or another about it.
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You linked to the 2003 version (which is still actively listed on Amazon) in your post.
 
medhope4 said:
So I haven't taken Orgo one in something like 5 years, and I am scheduled to take Orgo two since I have not taken that yet and that is the only prereq I have left. Got a B+ in Org I, but it was a while ago.

How worried should I be about this? Does Org II require alot of knowledge from Org 1?
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I can send you some .pdf notes if you're interested. Shoot me a PM with your email if you'd like.
 
NightGod said:
You linked to the 2003 version (which is still actively listed on Amazon) in your post.
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Well then I'm a dam fool... I will change it tomorrow... I did use an older version though. It was with a yellow cover instead of the more recent blue....
 
NightGod said:
You linked to the 2003 version (which is still actively listed on Amazon) in your post.
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NightGod said:
The 2003 version that covers all of ochem instead of the 2011 version that is broken up into semesters?
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Sorry, I thought you were talking about on my blog. I didn't post the link in this thread but merely quoted a previous poster. Therefore I cannot change the post made by someone else. I would personally use the newer version. I spent awhile on my blog trying to figure out what the hell I did wrong. Whew... Glad I didn't lead people astray! 😀
 
Should I get both semesters of the Organic Chemistry as a Second language or should I get his "Organic Chemistry" book?

This one
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OREdwardsJR said:
Should I get both semesters of the Organic Chemistry as a Second language or should I get his "Organic Chemistry" book?

This one
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The two semesters one. The one you linked is his text book. Though I've heard good things about using that as a resource if your class isn't already using it.
 
Where I took O Chem we were using Organic Chemistry 7e by Wade.

I went ahead and sucked it up and purchased Klein's textbook in addition to the O Chem as a second language, and I am telling you, I wouldn't have done as well as I did without it.

O Chem seems to be one of those classes you either sink or swim in...with Klein's books, it is like having a life raft.
 
medhope4 said:
So I haven't taken Orgo one in something like 5 years, and I am scheduled to take Orgo two since I have not taken that yet and that is the only prereq I have left. Got a B+ in Org I, but it was a while ago.

How worried should I be about this? Does Org II require alot of knowledge from Org 1?
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Org 2 requires knowledge from Org 1 such as
-being able to draw chemical structures, and see "implicit" or "hidden" lone pairs and hydrogens
-understanding formal charge
-how to draw curved arrows
-how to recognize the electron rich and electron poor parts of a molecule.

You'll find that there is less of an accent on stereochemistry and a LOT more on resonance. Also, when the topic comes to carbonyls, you will find that there are a lot of new reactions to learn. But if you pay attention to the underlying mechanisms, you'll find that there are a lot of repeating patterns.

This article might be helpful:
http://masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/01/19/what-to-expect-in-organic-chemistry-2/
 
orgohacks said:
Org 2 requires knowledge from Org 1 such as
-being able to draw chemical structures, and see "implicit" or "hidden" lone pairs and hydrogens
-understanding formal charge
-how to draw curved arrows
-how to recognize the electron rich and electron poor parts of a molecule.

You'll find that there is less of an accent on stereochemistry and a LOT more on resonance. Also, when the topic comes to carbonyls, you will find that there are a lot of new reactions to learn. But if you pay attention to the underlying mechanisms, you'll find that there are a lot of repeating patterns.

This article might be helpful:
http://masterorganicchemistry.com/2011/01/19/what-to-expect-in-organic-chemistry-2/
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Dude, I'm not longer a pre-med student, but I like to check back on here from time-to-time... I switched to Chemical Engineering for a variety of reasons, but, as far as O-Chem II is concerned: I would be hesitant to jump into O-Chem II unless you have a GOOD understanding of O-Chem I. The material really isn't that hard, but if you have forgotten the basics from O-Chem I you're going to be in trouble.
 
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