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What are your thoughts on taking Orgo Chem over the summer 06?
Fantastik19 said:What are your thoughts on taking Orgo Chem over the summer 06?
stookie said:Organic Chemistry is evil. Pure Evil...........just like the MCATS. It was designed to ruin your life.
ufblondi said:Definitely do it...I know too many people who took orgo 1 in the spring and then had forgotten everything by the time they took orgo 2 in the fall. Trust me..cramming it all into 6 weeks or so is A LOT better than having to suffer through it for 16 weeks! (or however long a semester is)
Sundarban1 said:This is definately not good advice..hmm lets see 16 weeks of material in 6 weeks..
BobLJ99 said:I agree one hundred percent with Sundarban. Taking a summer school class in mathematics or a rigorous science class is hell. Just to break it down, most academic years consist of around 32 weeks. If you take summer session organic 1 and 2, you are learning 32 weeks of material in 7 weeks. This is not a good move especially for a prerequisite course for medical school.
An additional thing to consider, the add/drop period over the summer comes and goes very fast. In most cases, you do not have many exams under your belt by the time the deadline comes, thus you may make a hasty decision to stay in the class. Some points to ponder.
prav said:Also, isn't the summer orgo session about $6,000? You could buy a very nice motorcycle for that...
junebuguf said:For the people claiming that you need to have an in-depth understanding of Orgo for the MCAT, well *this* assertion is patently false.
junebuguf said:Does summer Orgo cost any more or less than in fall and spring?
Sundarban1 said:$875/semester or $1750 for orgo 1/2 during the year vs. $6000 for orgo 1/2 over the summer. Roughly 1/3 the tuition is worth the wait.
junebuguf said:I took Genetics, Cell Bio and Biochem...Point being, Orgo is not required to do well in either of three courses mentioned above.
scpod said:Nobody said it was required in order to do well. However, if you really want to underdstand what is going on, then it's a good idea. BTW, if your Genetics and Cell Bio classes didn't have any Orgo in them, then I'd say they sucked. You were unable to experience the complete subject. One other thing I'd like to mention-- Organic Chemistry is a lot more than just reactions. You seem to have some kind of hangup on that. Take a look at the ACS exam in Orgo. Yes, a lot more than just reactions. How did you do? Or did your school even take it? Also look at the ACS exam in Biochem. A huge part of it now is Genetics. All of those subjects interrelate, but you wouldn't be able to understand that if all you were doing was studying just enough to get by. Studying to pass the class and studying to actually gain an understanding in the subject are two different things. Thank God that there are plenty of people who actually took the time to understand it, instead of just getting by, because the medical breakthroughs you see every day would not exist.
junebuguf said:...your fragile argument, which was originally that a sound understanding of Orgo was required to do well in other classes... You choose to claim that a thorough knowledge of Orgo is essential to succeed in those classes, and the fact is, its simply not...you say a thorough understanding of Orgo is essential, I say it isnt.
junebuguf said:Its not an immense leap to presume that a course is required if it is also claimed that completion of said course will make future courses a whole lot easier.
Lindyhopper said:Actually, I usually think of myself as an educational purist, & I'm hard pressed to think of a single example where orgo was genuinely helpful.
If anyone has an example, I really would be interested.
Fantastik19 said:You all have been very enlightening... I'm going to take Orgo over the summer though (with no lab)...then take the lab in the Fall. It will enable me to completely focus on the MCAT next Spring. My bf took the MCAT and he said you just need org1 for it. Either way... I can always sit in on an Orgo class to get a better retention of it. I 'm going to do that for bio since I took it so long ago.
This is a great post . Seldom has a SDN post actually lead me to reconsider my opinion. I'm kind of busy, but plan to post my perspective on this when things settle down. But I just decided to order the updated version of my Biochem text.scpod said:Let's go into Genetics where you study DNA. Let's just look at the simple structure--What is a pyrimidine? Cytosine is a 4-amino-2-oxo derivative of pyrimidine. What does that mean? Pyrimidines are basic in nature. What does that mean? Because pyrimidines are planar, they are able to stack. What is planar? Pyrimidines are hydrophobic, making them stick together and stabilize DNA. But they pentose-phosphate backbone is hydrophyllic. Why is one hydrophyllic and the other hydrophobic? Pyrymidines are conjugated, causing them to absorb UV light at 260nm. What's that mean? OK, so the base attaches to the sugar by dehydration. What's that? Why does it usually attach at N-1? OK, the rule is A bonds with T and C with G, but why?
Mackchops said:Now my question. Hard A, that's for sure. Is it doable while studying for the MCAT (or in my case, the DAT)? I'm aiming for an August test-date.