Ortho, Pedo, Endo Specialty

[shaby]

Hi everyone,

I really appreciate if someone with updated information could let me know with kind of scores: average part 1 (taken the new version in Jan 2009, GPA), class ranking in US dental school, etc.
would make each of these specialties possible to get?

Ortho

Endo

Pedo

Many thanks,
S

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[achilles2]

All three are very competitive

From what I've been gathering through talking with residents and adcoms is:

ENDO
-hardest to get into out of school (however, heavy value is placed on job exp and/or GPR or other postgrad work)
-95+ board scores

ORTHO
-very competitive regardless of exp (again 95+ board scores to be most competitive)
-students generally apply with a ton of extras (research, mission trips, etc)

PEDO (don't know alot about this field)


Word on the street is endo is VERY competitive right out of school and still remains competitive with job exp

If you school ranks def top 1/3 with min 90 board scores for all three, obviously 95+ increases you competitiveness and top 10% is ideal.

 

[shaby]

Are those board scores in new or old format? Since I've heard new format board scores (2009) are much lower and schools consider that?

Does anyone know about pedo?

 

[achilles2]

Are those board scores in new or old format? Since I've heard new format board scores (2009) are much lower and schools consider that?

Does anyone know about pedo?

From what i've heard 90+ is like the low end, I could be totally wrong but thats the "word on the street" at least for endo, ortho, and OMFS....I've heard pedo is fairly competitive as well.

 

[gundam]

From what i've heard 90+ is like the low end, I could be totally wrong but thats the "word on the street" at least for endo, ortho, and OMFS....I've heard pedo is fairly competitive as well.

You should try to get into dental school first before you give out false updated information.

 

[DrReo]

You should try to get into dental school first before you give out false updated information.

Amen.

achilles, have you heard the word on the street regarding the difference between the new and old NDBE I?

 

[Pedo Unicorn]

All three are very competitive

From what I've been gathering through talking with residents and adcoms is:

ENDO
-hardest to get into out of school (however, heavy value is placed on job exp and/or GPR or other postgrad work)
-95+ board scores

ORTHO
-very competitive regardless of exp (again 95+ board scores to be most competitive)
-students generally apply with a ton of extras (research, mission trips, etc)

PEDO (don't know alot about this field)


Word on the street is endo is VERY competitive right out of school and still remains competitive with job exp

If you school ranks def top 1/3 with min 90 board scores for all three, obviously 95+ increases you competitiveness and top 10% is ideal.

Wow, Achilles. I don't know where you got your info, but if we all have to get 95+, then there are going to be a boatload of empty positions in the coming years.
You definitely do NOT need 95+ for Endo. All you need is to buy the program director a few beers while doing your Super-GPR (years 1 and 2) at the same facility as said PG, and you will be in the following year.
It's hard to throw out blanket numbers when there are only a few years of experience with people applying with the new board scores.
Here's what you really need to do, Shaby. Study hard. Work hard. If you are interested in "competitive" things, then do as well as you can in school and on the boards. That's all you can control. What you end up getting on the boards will depend on your preparation and your natural intelligence. If you get the scores you want, and you apply and get in, then congrats. If not, then you are with the other hundreds of people who tried but didn't get it at first. Instead of everyone worrying about "what scores do I have to get", why don't you just bust your hump and do your best and see what happens then? No one can foresee their scores, and no one can guarantee a spot even if those scores are achilles-esque. Don't let your scores dictate what you do. Find out what you want to do, and then go for it. Wow, maybe I should be a life coach or something.

 

[jpark9]

Wow, Achilles. I don't know where you got your info, but if we all have to get 95+, then there are going to be a boatload of empty positions in the coming years.
You definitely do NOT need 95+ for Endo. All you need is to buy the program director a few beers while doing your Super-GPR (years 1 and 2) at the same facility as said PG, and you will be in the following year.
It's hard to throw out blanket numbers when there are only a few years of experience with people applying with the new board scores.
Here's what you really need to do, Shaby. Study hard. Work hard. If you are interested in "competitive" things, then do as well as you can in school and on the boards. That's all you can control. What you end up getting on the boards will depend on your preparation and your natural intelligence. If you get the scores you want, and you apply and get in, then congrats. If not, then you are with the other hundreds of people who tried but didn't get it at first. Instead of everyone worrying about "what scores do I have to get", why don't you just bust your hump and do your best and see what happens then? No one can foresee their scores, and no one can guarantee a spot even if those scores are achilles-esque. Don't let your scores dictate what you do. Find out what you want to do, and then go for it. Wow, maybe I should be a life coach or something.

That's right. And most importantly, you need to know what you are really interested in because this is what you will be doing for the rest of your life. I am a career changer from a computer programmer to a jeweler, then to a self-employeed business owner, and finally to DDS Candidate. It took me a while to find out about myself and it does to many other people. Anyway, here is what i can give you.

Ortho: the most competitive field to get into. You're safe if you have 95+ board but worth trying if you have 90+. Class rank top 5 to 10%.

Endo: 90+ board is considered good. some get in with 87 or 88 but GPR is highly recommended. There are schools that only accept dentists with experiences but also other schools accept fresh grads. You have to do the homework. I know most about this field bc I am going for it!!

Pedo: I know this field is less competitive than the other two above. I am not sure what the numbers are but above 85 board and Class rank around top 20% is worth trying.

Research exp, and other curricular activity will help a bit but I heard they don't make the major difference. Interview is very important and please do research about the school you want to go. Get in touch with the director of the department and make a good impression of yourself. I hope this helps. Good luck.

 

[achilles2]

You should try to get into dental school first before you give out false updated information.

I'm in year one .....like I said this are the things that I have been hearing...I stated that.


I apologize if I was freaking people out with numbers I was stating that the higher your score the more competitive you become (which is pretty obvious) for ortho and endo I've heard 90 is pretty much the cut off (again it could be totally wrong but thats what some of the upper classman and some of the adcoms I spoke with mentioned)

 

[Tooth]

All three are very competitive

From what I've been gathering through talking with residents and adcoms is:

ENDO
-hardest to get into out of school (however, heavy value is placed on job exp and/or GPR or other postgrad work)
-95+ board scores

ORTHO
-very competitive regardless of exp (again 95+ board scores to be most competitive)
-students generally apply with a ton of extras (research, mission trips, etc)

PEDO (don't know alot about this field)


Word on the street is endo is VERY competitive right out of school and still remains competitive with job exp

If you school ranks def top 1/3 with min 90 board scores for all three, obviously 95+ increases you competitiveness and top 10% is ideal.

I'm pretty sure you have to have, like, 99+ on both boards to get in. They may take someone who's number 2 in their class but only on rare occasions.

 

[KlingonDentist]

The only guy who got into endo right out of school in my class was #1 out of 128, plus class president, plus Delta sigma Delta treasurer plus and plus...

 

[jpark9]

I'm pretty sure you have to have, like, 99+ on both boards to get in. They may take someone who's number 2 in their class but only on rare occasions.

I would have to disagree. I talked to my school's endo department faculty member and she told me everyone she knows who came in this year are all fresh grads and the average board score was 90. So let's think positive and keep our fingers crossed.

 

[OG1]

The only guy who got into endo right out of school in my class was #1 out of 128, plus class president, plus Delta sigma Delta treasurer plus and plus...

The people that applied to endo straight out of school in my class got in, and they didn't have ridiculous stats as far as I know. They just played their cards right, applied to the right programs, knew the right people, and interviewed well presumably. One of them did tell me that almost every interview they went on they were pretty much told to their face that it was pointless they were even interviewing since the program only accepted people who had been practicing already.

 

[shaby]

Thanks for your info Pedo Unicorn!! Can someone tell me if a board score of 87 (in new format) and class rank of top 50% would have any chance for pedo? and if yes how high/low is the chance?

 

[shaby]

Well, I guess I was thanking jpark9 for the info which was the most useful in this thread!! just a typo sorry!!

 

[mcshow2]

you CAN get in to pedo with an 87. Pedo cares a lot (so it seems) about community service extra curriculars. You'll need more than the 87 and top 50% to get in though. (meaning other resume stuff.)

best advice was just to go for it. I think its best to save up for the toy you want rather than to go the store and see what you can buy with the change in your pocket. just my opinion though.

 

[gundam]

you CAN get in to pedo with an 87. Pedo cares a lot (so it seems) about community service extra curriculars. You'll need more than the 87 and top 50% to get in though. (meaning other resume stuff.)

best advice was just to go for it. I think its best to save up for the toy you want rather than to go the store and see what you can buy with the change in your pocket. just my opinion though.

I heard the board score's going up again amongst the people who recently took the test, but for this year's applicants, 90 and above for specialties like ortho and oral surgery is desirable. 95+ would be great but far few people have that this year. At my school only a handful of people got 90, 91, 92s.

 

[DDS360]

As you guys know ADAT will be introduced very soon. I was scanning old threads with regard to NBDE scores for residency. Do you guys think scores above 87-88% will be a score to get into any of above residencies or programs directors will not take ADAT score into account for this cycle? I hear mixed stuff and it is hard to know whether I should take it or not. I am planning to apply to Endo, and will start GPR this summer to increase my chances. My class rank is 6/88, but I would like to hear some feedback from those of you who have spoken to program directors at your own school. I wish we could take NBDE I with numerical score like old days, and be done instead of graduating from dental school and studying for new board again. Any feedback will be appreciated.

 

[RoseEndo]

As you guys know ADAT will be introduced very soon. I was scanning old threads with regard to NBDE scores for residency. Do you guys think scores above 87-88% will be a score to get into any of above residencies or programs directors will not take ADAT score into account for this cycle? I hear mixed stuff and it is hard to know whether I should take it or not. I am planning to apply to Endo, and will start GPR this summer to increase my chances. My class rank is 6/88, but I would like to hear some feedback from those of you who have spoken to program directors at your own school. I wish we could take NBDE I with numerical score like old days, and be done instead of graduating from dental school and studying for new board again. Any feedback will be appreciated.

I don't know whether they report scores in percentage, but I am sure they will let applicants know what score represents 90% similar to CBSE. It all depends how many applicants take this test, and how they perform. I recommend you contacting program directors to see what they say and receive their feedback.

 

[fellowstudent92]

I don't know whether they report scores in percentage, but I am sure they will let applicants know what score represents 90% similar to CBSE. It all depends how many applicants take this test, and how they perform. I recommend you contacting program directors to see what they say and receive their feedback.

They report each section in percentiles.

 

[DDS360]

I don't know whether they report scores in percentage, but I am sure they will let applicants know what score represents 90% similar to CBSE. It all depends how many applicants take this test, and how they perform. I recommend you contacting program directors to see what they say and receive their feedback.

Rose, I was on ADA website and saw their 2015 report on specialty's average income. What do you think about these numbers published by ADA? I know they are many different factors involved but on average numbers look very good for specialties! Do you feel they are close to what you see among your colleagues?


Table 3: Annual Net Income of Specialists in Private Practice, 2014

Type of Dentist Average

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons $413,410

Endodontists $325,840

Orthodontists and Dentofacial Orthopedists $301,760

Pediatric Dentists $347,310

Periodontists $257,960

Source: American Dental Association, Health Policy Institute, 2015 Survey of Dental Practice.

Copyright © 2015 American Dental Association.

 

[RoseEndo]

Rose, I was on ADA website and saw their 2015 report on specialty's average income. What do you think about these numbers published by ADA? I know they are many different factors involved but on average numbers look very good for specialties! Do you feel they are close to what you see among your colleagues?


Table 3: Annual Net Income of Specialists in Private Practice, 2014

Type of Dentist Average

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons $413,410

Endodontists $325,840

Orthodontists and Dentofacial Orthopedists $301,760

Pediatric Dentists $347,310

Periodontists $257,960

Source: American Dental Association, Health Policy Institute, 2015 Survey of Dental Practice.

Copyright © 2015 American Dental Association.

Not sure about ADA reports